AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[Sweepr]

After-market samples are showing that 1070 is a 180-190W card. Most consumers will continue buying into NV's marketing lies of 150W TDP. NV is purposely misleading the consumer. Ask the average Joe PC gamer on the street what TDP means and most of them will tell you Max Power Usage.

Are you telling me that people buying high-end VGAs don't understand that a factory overclocked custom model will use more power? So is AMD misleading if one of its partners decides to release higher-wattage cards as well, because people only look at 'reference' results before shopping for pricy PC components? All this 'noise' because of 25W difference under stress testing (Guru3D) and 14W while gaming (Hardware.info). Stop embarassing yourself, please.

Next time get ready to defend your position with facts instead of twisting facts to fit your agenda.

Reported.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_390X_Gaming/28.html

After-market samples are showing that 390X is a 340-370W card. Most consumers will continue buying into AMD's marketing lies of 275W TDP. AMD is purposely misleading the consumer. Ask the average Joe PC gamer on the street what TDP means and most of them will tell you Max Power Usage.

So you agree with the paragraph above?

Indeed, not sure if he's being ironic (I hope so) or not.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Here is more reality for you since you seem to be grasping at straws using average power usage instead of peak. This forum always used R9 290's average/typical power usage of 214W for gaming and HD7970GHz's 209W, right, am I right?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290/24.html

No you are not.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/22.html

You seem to not understand that when when most people on this forum/online compared HD7970/Ghz, R9 290/X, 780Ti, 980/980Ti, wrt to power usage, we usually look at peak power usage, not average power usage. Some games like Total War Warhammer don't even max out the GPU to the extent Crysis 3 can.

After-market samples are showing that 1070 is a 180-190W card. Most consumers will continue buying into NV's marketing lies of 150W TDP. NV is purposely misleading the consumer. Ask the average Joe PC gamer on the street what TDP means and most of them will tell you Max Power Usage.

Next time get ready to defend your position with facts instead of twisting facts to fit your agenda. In order to be fair/objective and consistent to older generation of videocards spanning GTX200/Fermi/Kepler/Maxwell/GTX4000->RX 480 series, it makes no sense to claim that 1070 uses ~150W and ignore that it peaks at 160-186W.

You do realize that some games do not load the GPU to 99-100%, right? Therefore, those games are not reflective of GTX1070's true power usage.

Wrong again.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/22.html

It is low, but compared to the joke paper launch of GP104, it's probably tens of times more cards. I agree with your insinuation though that AMD should have built up 2-3 million cards given the target market they are going after. Miners alone could soak up 50,000-100,000 cards easily.

Let me guess, GP104 haunts your dreams like GM204 did? Plenty of users gaming with their GP104 based cards. Also a card like GTX 1070 will be the single most sold SKU. Just as the GTX 970. No other card will reach that. Be it RX 480, GTX 1060 or whatever.

 

[sontin]

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_390X_Gaming/28.html

After-market samples are showing that 390X is a 340-370W card. Most consumers will continue buying into AMD's marketing lies of 275W TDP. AMD is purposely misleading the consumer. Ask the average Joe PC gamer on the street what TDP means and most of them will tell you Max Power Usage.

So you agree with the paragraph above?

You know, whats more tragic? There is no reference 390 or 390X card. Unlike the Founders Edition which will be available to buy these custom Hawaii cards can take between 275W and 350W...

So if anybody wants a 150/180W card they can easily buy the FE. :thumbsup:

 

[caswow]

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_390X_Gaming/28.html

After-market samples are showing that 390X is a 340-370W card. Most consumers will continue buying into AMD's marketing lies of 275W TDP. AMD is purposely misleading the consumer. Ask the average Joe PC gamer on the street what TDP means and most of them will tell you Max Power Usage.

So you agree with the paragraph above?

you coincidentally picked the card with the absolut highest tdp of all amd 390x cards. respect D:

 

[96Firebird]

you coincidentally picked the card with the absolut highest tdp of all amd 390x cards. respect D:

He chose data from the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X, I chose data from the MSI R9 390X Gaming.

Thanks for the respect.

 

[3DVagabond]

It doesn't, because AMD didn't promise broad availability by the end of the month.

Wut?

They mentioned mid-2016, but the fact that were teasing Polaris months before Pascal (January-March) and vague statement like 'several months advantage' made people believe that they were in fact ahead of the FinFET transition.

Huh?

Let me ask again, because those replies don't anwser what I asked.

"If AMD has broad availability before nVidia does, are they then ahead? Because it's not hard to manufacture a 5 minute supply."

 

[Bacon1]

Thanks to our friends from HardwareBattle we get to see the first Radeon RX 480 with custom-designed cooler. The new Sapphire NITRO card features brand new silver cooler shroud, packed in dual-slot and dual-fan design. The side of the card features LED illuminated Sapphire logo. According to the source, the colors will change depending on the fan speed, GPU temperature or custom-profile configured by the user.

Most Radeon RX 480 cards that will be released on June 29th will be equipped with 8GB GDDR5 memory. 4GB models are also expected, but availability of such cards will depend on AIBs.

According to our information, some european stores already received their stock, and they are ready to sell Polaris 10-based graphcis cards. In China a company called Dataland (Chinese PowerColor brand), was already selling places on reservation lists.

Meanwhile some reviewers already have their cards for tests, so we expect to see a lot of leaks in the coming days.

http://videocardz.com/60992/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-pictured

 

[swilli89]

http://videocardz.com/60992/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-pictured

Man these 480's are going to be whisper silent! Looking to buy one release day for sure.

 

[Yakk]

Sweet looking card!

Cards in stock and in reviewers hands already? Wow, AMD sure is being cautious and making sure everything is ready for launch!

 

[fingerbob69]

From what we know, and talking about just fps numbers, it won't be an upgrade.

However the full fat 480 X (7870 equivalent) @ $300 ...will be.

29th June :sneaky:

 

[flopper]

480 soon the card of a decade

 

[Erithan13]

Ehhh I'm not 100% sold on the looks but I'll definitely take that over some super gaudy angular monstrosity

Looks like we are getting a hard launch of 8GB aftermarket 480s on the 29th? Very good news if true. Just gotta hope supply holds up, I think demand is going to be huge for these cards.

 

[DiogoDX]

Looks terrible. Old Nitro is way better.

 

[sirmo]

This one looks to be fully shrouded. Don't care for the blue accent, but I like the looks.

 

[maddie]

This is only the first drop of the hammer. Many more blows incoming.

The secrecy is almost unprecedented in recent history.

 

[flynnsk]

This is only the first drop of the hammer. Many more blows incoming.

The secrecy is almost unprecedented in recent history.

Still wondering if the full XT part even exists. If so, with +10% more core, and possibly GDD5X boost, could get within 15% of the 1070 for 50% less. Ouch

Looks like it will set The Standard for Price/Performance and very close to Perf/Watt.. given that at best the 1070 is over 2x (200%) the cost and about 25-40% faster.. almost , what 9-10% + more $$$ for every 1% performance increase. Worse case is +196% cost for +40% perf , best case would be +225% cost for +20% perf. (11.25%$/perf%).

 

[jpiniero]

Still wondering if the full XT part even exists. If so, with +10% more core, and possibly GDD5X boost, could get within 15% of the 1070 for 50% less. Ouch

Assuming the 8 GB 480 is $249, I imagine the full chip would be $349. Which even if no 1070 ever ships at $379 they still have to respect it.

 

[sze5003]

Assuming the 8 GB 480 is $249, I imagine the full chip would be $349. Which even if no 1070 ever ships at $379 they still have to respect it.

Doesn't look like the 1070 will be $379 most cards even the Asus and MSI models are $419+ according to the other thread.

 

[maddie]

Assuming the 8 GB 480 is $249, I imagine the full chip would be $349. Which even if no 1070 ever ships at $379 they still have to respect it.

Strange you would say this.

The CEO said.

Radeon RX GPUs, 100 to 300 dollar price points.

Maybe she was mistaken.

 

[jpiniero]

Maybe she was mistaken.

Then a full die is never coming out then.

 

[Bacon1]

Assuming the 8 GB 480 is $249, I imagine the full chip would be $349. Which even if no 1070 ever ships at $379 they still have to respect it.

Then a full die is never coming out then.

Or maybe its $199 for 4gb, $229 for 8gb (Why is 4gb more 25% of the total card???) and $299 for full 480x 8gb card.

 

[jpiniero]

Or maybe its $199 for 4gb, $229 for 8gb (Why is 4gb more 25% of the total card???) and $299 for full 480x 8gb card.

I suppose, although maybe the full card won't be released for some time. Maybe the 8 GB will have faster memory to justify the $50 difference. The margins are probally going to suck so putting cheaper memory on the 4 GB would help on that end.

 

[Maverick177]

http://videocardz.com/60992/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-pictured

Looks horrible.

 

[flynnsk]

Assuming the 8 GB 480 is $249, I imagine the full chip would be $349. Which even if no 1070 ever ships at $379 they still have to respect it.

pretty sure AMD said 8GB is $229, and Polaris would cover from "$100 to $300" range. GDDR5X[url] offers a slight power savings over GDDR5 (1.35 vs 1.5/1.6V) .. cost may be more prohibitive, and why reserved for $300 part vs $230. /speculation

 

[Mopetar]

Then a full die is never coming out then.

I think it depends on what kind of clock speeds they can get out of the chips they have. AMD isn't at the top of the market with Polaris 10 so they price their cards relative to the rest of the market and past offerings from the previous generation.

If they had a card that could perform for $350 of performance, that's what it would sell for, but if it can only justify $300, that's where it would be. For $350 I'd expect something that trades blows with the 1070, because eventually it will drop close to MSRP and at $350 you can't sell a card that's going to have more than a ~5% performance gap or most people will just pay the extra $30 for the added bump.

We'll eventually see a full die, but I expect that AMD might be waiting until they can get better clock speeds out of their chips. An extra ~10% performance from a full die isn't worth $100, so it likely needs a good bump from clock speeds as well, because for a 50% increase in price (or perhaps closer to 30% given that a 480X wouldn't ship with less than 8 GB) you'd expect at least a 25% increase in performance.

The real question is who's going to get to that magical $300 price point first as right now with the 480 at $200 and the 1070 at double the cost, there's a gaping hole in the middle and as the 970 proved, that's a sweet spot to own in the market.