AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

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swilli89

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Overclocked 480 to 1400mhz equals stock 1070:



WOW if true!! If this is indeed accurate only the most blindly faithful would spend twice as much for 10% more performance!
 

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I don't know how to make this any more clear.

A $200 minimum spec GPU for VR is useless. A person who isn't willing to spend more than $200 on a GPU won't spend $500+ for the headset. By the time the headset is affordable, they won't use an the 480. They'll use a far better GPU that is out at the time that can actually handle VR games.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10412...adset-and-5-million-developer-fund-at-e3-2016

$399 for a headset that should match the quality of the current two. You're seriously underestimating how fast the price of headsets will march downward. I think it's only a matter of time before we see chinese knockoff headsets with the same panels and decent enough build quality at a fraction of the price.
 

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Overclocked 480 to 1400mhz equals stock 1070:



WOW if true!! If this is indeed accurate only the most blindly faithful would spend twice as much for 10% more performance!

Comparing OC to stock doesn't make sense. But still if these recent leaks are true it looks very impressive for the price.

EDIT: Nvm, I didn't see the 1070 OC in there.
 

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Which means that if it's going to be released before any new products from nvidia it will absolutely dominate the GTX 960/950.
That goes without saying but effective marketing will go a long way in ensuring AMD achieve their goal wrt marketshare.
If you would ask me it looks like the GPU has 1280-1536 GCN cores.
Doubt that especially with the P10 rumored to be at not more than 2560 cores.
 

tential

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10412...adset-and-5-million-developer-fund-at-e3-2016

$399 for a headset that should match the quality of the current two. You're seriously underestimating how fast the price of headsets will march downward. I think it's only a matter of time before we see chinese knockoff headsets with the same panels and decent enough build quality at a fraction of the price.

Thanks, you're right on that front. My idea is that I don't think VR will be affordable outside of the high end until 2018-2019. If you can release a VR device this year at under $500 and get to under $400 by 2017 then it may be more viable.

However, if AMD does their show today and isn't showing how VR will be more affordable to the masses, I don't think the majority of people will even think about VR as a selling point until AMD markets it as actually affordable for the whole ecosytem (or affordable soon as we saw with the NVidia MSRP trick, it can work).
 

tential

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Overclocked 480 to 1400mhz equals stock 1070:



WOW if true!! If this is indeed accurate only the most blindly faithful would spend twice as much for 10% more performance!

Rofl, I hope we don't get Fury X'd again. Please no...

Have our hype levels peaked yet or do we still have a way to go?
 

Stuka87

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If you would ask me it looks like the GPU has 1280-1536 GCN cores.

What are you basing this off of? When all rumors suggest a different number, that actually matches up with what GCN uses per CU?
 

swilli89

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Rofl, I hope we don't get Fury X'd again. Please no...

Have our hype levels peaked yet or do we still have a way to go?

Haha I'm just now beginning to power up my hype levels!



Everyone should be excited! If a 480 is really such an OC beast, then 1070 prices will go down to where nVidia advertised them and not $450 like they are currently. But even then.. a $200 card that offers the same game experience as a $380 card.. If true nVidia better be rolling out that good ole PR department.
 

Yakk

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Overclocked 480 to 1400mhz equals stock 1070:



WOW if true!! If this is indeed accurate only the most blindly faithful would spend twice as much for 10% more performance!

That would be extremely embarrassing to nvidia if true. I'd really laugh if it is, but I'm doubting it.
 

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Haha I'm just now beginning to power up my hype levels!



Everyone should be excited! If a 480 is really such an OC beast, then 1070 prices will go down to where nVidia advertised them and not $450 like they are currently. But even then.. a $200 card that offers the same game experience as a $380 card.. If true nVidia better be rolling out that good ole PR department.
Hopefully this is a power draw limited overclock due to the 6 pin and the stock cooler.

Aftermarket cards with better power delivery and decent cooling could possibly allow it to oc higher.
 

tential

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Haha I'm just now beginning to power up my hype levels!

(Awesome Vegeta image powering up)

Everyone should be excited! If a 480 is really such an OC beast, then 1070 prices will go down to where nVidia advertised them and not $450 like they are currently. But even then.. a $200 card that offers the same game experience as a $380 card.. If true nVidia better be rolling out that good ole PR department.

I got so excited for FUry X OC performance that when it didn't OC I was actually furious (pun intended).

If AMD personally states the 480 is an amazing OCer and it's not I'll be just as annoyed. However, if AMD just shows the OC performance (I don't care if they use water or whatever to make it happen), and it gets those results.
Sign me up.
Lace me up.

I'm getting 480s, as many as I can afford/reasonable to use for gaming. So probably 2.
 

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That would be extremely embarrassing to nvidia if true. I'd really laugh if it is, but I'm doubting it.

It's not too far-fetched. AMD could certainly pull another 4870 out of the hat, which would be amazing for value. Let's wait for benchmarks to be sure. The latest nvidia cards are mid-range dies that are being sold for 700+ dollars.
 

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I don't know how to make this any more clear.

A $200 minimum spec GPU for VR is useless. A person who isn't willing to spend more than $200 on a GPU won't spend $500+ for the headset. By the time the headset is affordable, they won't use an the 480. They'll use a far better GPU that is out at the time that can actually handle VR games.



Thank god I'm not the only one. This is another instance of AMD marketing doing TERRIBLE.
Have you seen the arguments of the RX 480? People don't crossshop the GTX 1070/ RX480 because it's two different price brackets. $400+ and $200. But it's perfectly reasonable now to assume the RX480 price bracket purchasers are now interested in even far more expensive headsets than a GTX 1070? This is just insane.
How goes your previous critical statements on GTX1080 buyers running on cheap 1080p monitors?
 

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Rofl, I hope we don't get Fury X'd again. Please no...

Have our hype levels peaked yet or do we still have a way to go?

1400 / 1266 is actually not that impressive. Even for 1500 / 1266, % wise, it's just a GHZ Tahiti going to 1200.

Try 1600 and we will talk about hype.
 

tential

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You're not the only one who appears completely clueless to people's buying habits. Many people have their heart set on owning a dream something-or-other, and when you have your heart set on something it's often because you can't afford it (or else you'd already have something similar, or you know you can just buy it whenever you want). Taking 10-20% off the total cost is huge.

You obviously don't get the idea, so lets go back to the old staple: car analogies. There are plenty of "dream cars" out there, but lets think about a new X branded luxury car. You will find a huge number of those cars are the entry level model. Because people will stretch their budget just enough to buy into their dream. Your arguments are "if people can afford a luxury car, they don't care much about money". In fact the entry level luxury car marked is quite hot at the moment.

Now try to do the necessary mental gymnastics to combine both these ideas.

That's buying 1 thing alone.

This is buying 1 thing to use with something else far more expensive.

You need to provide a better example since yours doesn't apply here, but interested to see where you're going with this line of thought.

1400 / 1266 is actually not that impressive. Even for 1500 / 1266, % wise, it's just a GHZ Tahiti going to 1200.

Try 1600 and we will talk about hype.

???

I'm not looking at the pure clockspeeds. I don't look at clockspeed that much. I'm looking at the performance gain from OCing.... That's what matters. Pascal gains less performance from OCing than Maxwell. It can't even catch up to the next tier of GPU anymore with the 1070 which is a regression.

But with this, this looks like great OC experience to me.

If you can illustrate with Tahiti performance gains from Ocing it may clear it up for me and others who are lurking.
 
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Sweepr said:
AIDA64 Extreme Version: 5.70.3869 beta (Jun 12, 2016)

Release notes:
preliminary GPU information for AMD Radeon RX 470 (Polaris 10 Pro)
preliminary GPU information for AMD Radeon RX 480 (Polaris 10 XT)

www.aida64.com/downloads/N2I5NWNkNzc=


So cut down Polaris 10 is Radeon RX 470.

PC Gaming Show will start in few hours. No one really knows what to expect from AMD this time, but since Radeon RX 480 was already showcased, we expect to hear more about Radeon RX 470, which is also based on Polaris 10.

https://www.twitch.tv/pcgamer
https://gaming.youtube.com/pcgamer
 

littleg

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If that's real then we could easily see factory OC cards matching the 1070. It's only about a 10% overclock.
 

Yakk

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It's not too far-fetched. AMD could certainly pull another 4870 out of the hat, which would be amazing for value. Let's wait for benchmarks to be sure. The latest nvidia cards are mid-range dies that are being sold for 700+ dollars.

I'm doubting the 480 can, and at same time I'm cautiously optimistic this 480 can match a stock 1070.

And yes I'll laugh if it's true as this will again show nvidia fleecing their willing customers severely!
 

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Too improbable to be true. Thats about a 30% OC. If the 480 had that much headroom, AMD wouldnt waste it untapped. They know the majority of buyers dont OC and reviews mainly go by the stock clocks with OC'ing a small section in the back of the review.

They have to appeal to the majority who dont OC, and stock clocks performance in most benchmark charts will show just that. If they left just 10% OC overhead and made it about equal to Fury performance, the card imo would be a far bigger potential sales hit.
 

swilli89

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If that's real then we could easily see factory OC cards matching the 1070. It's only about a 10% overclock.

Exactly. Still have to take it with a grain of salt but if that's the 6-pin stock cooler shroud then as Tential says "lace me up"!

A custom powered board with water cooling would be able to comfortably match an OC 1070 if GCN 4.0 scaling looks to be that good.
 

tential

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How goes your previous critical statements on GTX1080 buyers running on cheap 1080p monitors?

Nvidia marketing can convince people to get just about anything. AMD has to attempt to live in the real world and convince MAINSTREAM buyers to make a smart choice.

People at the high end, especially for Nvidia, that's just insanity. Look at the DSR/VSR thread I made earlier. Many Nvidia users hadn't even TRIED DSR. We're talking 980Ti owners on 1080p/1440p screens snubbing supersampling...

People are willing to accept not utilizing the full extent of their GPUs with Nvidia a lot more regularly than they are for AMD. Just the sad truth.

I mean, look at the recent Nvidia marketing/forum warrior speak? It's to push the GTX 1070 for the minimum for 1080p/60hz gaming. Nvidia will always push whatever GPU they have out as the minimum for 1080p gaming or whatever. GTX 970 went from a 1440p ultra card to a meh 1080p high card in the eyes of Nvidia owners extremely quickly.

If the R9 290 I purchased did that, I would literally drive down to AMD headquarters and complain in person (Not far afterall).

Like I've said before, the RX480 with VR is just meh.
FREESYNC. That's the important conversation for the RX480.

What I want to see is AMD do GTX 1080 vs RX 480s side by side with freesync enabled on the 480. That's the PURE win for AMD.
VR isn't a pure win for AMD.

AMD's gaming ecosystem with Fast GPUs, better multigpu support, GPU longevity due, and FREESYNC

I think that's what AMD should focus on more than anything.
 

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Think its plausible that there will an extra special SKU wrangling closeish to a stock 1070. Often see the absolute top AID cards a tier down getting close to the stock cards a tier up.
(Especially at lower resolutions where there's no bandwidth.).

Stuff like die picking, extra special coolers etc. AMD/their AIBs have got real motivation to do it to try and compete.

Won't be especially cheap though, and the power efficiency might well be horrid.
 
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