AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

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VulgarDisplay

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I feel sorry for anyone who bought a gtx1070. It's price makes sense now. Nvidia new how Polaris 10 was shaping up and cooked up this founders edition scheme to fleece their customers before rx480 reshapes the gpu landscape.

Gtx1070 is going to look awful if these rumors continue to shape up this way.

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trane

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Also... they are delaying GP 106 a lot... is like they can't scale down.

Slow down, dude. They are struggling to get GP104 out the door. Going by history, GP106 would be on track for August/September. If it doesn't ship by November, only then we can say "delaying a lot".
 

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Biggest danger is that manufacturers will try to price gouge 480 particularly outside of US. There are already some leaks about RX 480 being 300+ euro in EU which will be preety bad if true.

Since reveal of 480 was in big part about attractive price, price gouging may create sizeable backslash and some customers going for 1070 instead or resigning from purcharse.
 
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littleg

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Seems sense. Unless you've got a specific/shortish term upgrade plan in mind I'd reckon on getting an 8GB, decent AIB cooler version. Cost a little bit more but not major amounts and nicer for the longer term.


As for tricks with special versions - that sort of trick works much better at the top of the market!

Not a mid range thing. That bit of the market actually likes efficiency quite a bit and it's very likely that really pushing the clocks on these things will destroy that.

Someone will likely do that but the point will be to try and nip at the coat tails of stock 1070's to eat into a bit of that market.

That's my plan (assuming the house is paid off in time). Full new build with a 480 initially and then upgrade to the top of the line next year when everything's out and prices are reasonable.

I'm hoping that this new DX12 thing that lets you use two different cards together will become mainstream so I can just hoy a Vega / Big Pascal in there alongside it.

Got a massive backlog of games to play anyway so plenty of time to let the tech shake out.
 

DarkKnightDude

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Since reveal of 480 was in big part about attractive price, price gouging may create sizeable backslash and some customers going for 1070 instead or resigning from purcharse.

Good luck with that. 1070 price gouging is ongoing as well. Its a lose-lose situation for customers.
 

zinfamous

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Good luck with that. 1070 price gouging is ongoing as well. Its a lose-lose situation for customers.

you expect that with early nVidia releases though, or anything in short supply.

But in general, why would it be surprising that electronics would be priced 10-20% above US prices outside of the US? This is pretty standard due to trade costs and manufacturing, contracts, blah blah. Or are GPUs, CPUs, various computer hardware somehow absolved from the standard price premium (not including VAT) that you see with TVs, laptops, blinky boxes, etc?

seems to me that 199-220 Euro would be the expected base cost of a $199 MSRP part, no?
 

antihelten

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Slow down, dude. They are struggling to get GP104 out the door. Going by history, GP106 would be on track for August/September. If it doesn't ship by November, only then we can say "delaying a lot".

Actually going by history it would be a 4-6 month gap between GP104 and GP106 (GK106 was 6 months after GK104 and GF104 was 4 months after GF100), so that would put GP106 at the September-November time frame.

Given the rather limited supply of GP104, and the fact that the launch seemed to take quite a few people by surprise (including AMD), Nvidia may also have pulled in the launch of GP104 a bit. If they haven't similarly pulled in the launch of GP106 then you should probably add 1-2 months to the timeframe.

This would then put GP106 at November-January. So even if it launches this late it still wouldn't indicate any delay as such, that would just be business as usual.

So yeah any claims of GP106 being delayed are definitely premature at this stage.

Of course there's a difference between being delayed and being late (to the party). The first would depend upon Nvidia's original launch plans, whilst the later would depend upon when and what AMD launches.
 

seitur

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But in general, why would it be surprising that electronics would be priced 10-20% above US prices outside of the US? This is pretty standard due to trade costs and manufacturing, contracts, blah blah. Or are GPUs, CPUs, various computer hardware somehow absolved from the standard price premium (not including VAT) that you see with TVs, laptops, blinky boxes, etc?

seems to me that 199-220 Euro would be the expected base cost of a $199 MSRP part, no?
Problem is that it is not just US price converted to Euro/Pound/Canadian&Australian dollars + VAT tax&few% of contracts, shipping, various costs, etc

There are rumors of RX reference version going in EU for 300 Euro.

Noone will complain about US price + VAT, but it is often MUCH more than that.
 

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How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

From a technical perspective 232mm² 14nm LPP for Hawaii performance wouldn't be impressive at all, especially if it draws anywhere close to Geforce GTX 1070 power levels.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.

Unless current leaks don't represent the performance of the cards and Polaris 10 is actually significantly faster than Geforce GTX 970/980, they might have opened the door for NVIDIA to come close/match them with a smaller die at lower TDPs.

Yes, that's not going to compete with RX 480. Nvidia have no other choice but to hustle a further cut GP104, something like 1664 shaders retaining a 256-bit bus. That will also need 1070 and 1080 to massively drop in price.

Their next desktop VGA is positioned to replace GM204 according to Inno3D, and one of Chiphell's admins already mentioned it's not based on the heavily cut down GP104-150 (which is most likely a mobile only SKU).


Anyway, latest 3DMark chart from Videocardz!

 
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oussama-tn

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Biggest danger is that manufacturers will try to price gouge 480 particularly outside of US. There are already some leaks about RX 480 being 300+ euro in EU which will be preety bad if true.

Since reveal of 480 was in big part about attractive price, price gouging may create sizeable backslash and some customers going for 1070 instead or resigning from purcharse.

If a card is priced @300dollars in the us in europe you need to add at least 20% vat (360dollars=320euros) + extra expenses.
GTX 1070 is priced @ 500+euros even if the rx 480 is a 350 euros card ( wich is unlikely ). The difference is at least 150euros
 
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trane

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Actually going by history it would be a 4-6 month gap between GP104 and GP106 (GK106 was 6 months after GK104 and GF104 was 4 months after GF100), so that would put GP106 at the September-November time frame.

Given the rather limited supply of GP104, and the fact that the launch seemed to take quite a few people by surprise (including AMD), Nvidia may also have pulled in the launch of GP104 a bit. If they haven't similarly pulled in the launch of GP106 then you should probably add 1-2 months to the timeframe.

4 months is the norm. Kepler was an outlier because they had a third GK104 SKU - 660 Ti. You forgot about GM206, which is once again 4 months. Not saying it's going to be 4 again this time, you are certainly have some valid points. But more is at stake this generation for Nvidia than ever before.

It'll be a total disaster for Nvidia if GP104 is all they have till November though. AMD is going to take over nearly every notebook GPU out there, and a vast majority of the mainstream desktop market.
 

tential

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Woah.... so these current leaks may be true? I said the RX480 would beat the 1080 in CF mode. $400 for $700 performance?

I want an RX480 to lower my power consumption, but Vega... I'll wait for you baby....
 

realibrad

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Woah.... so these current leaks may be true? I said the RX480 would beat the 1080 in CF mode. $400 for $700 performance?

I want an RX480 to lower my power consumption, but Vega... I'll wait for you baby....

You...and AMD when they showed their slide of AOTS benchmark beating the 1080 in CF.
 

AtenRa

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Woah.... so these current leaks may be true? I said the RX480 would beat the 1080 in CF mode. $400 for $700 performance?

I want an RX480 to lower my power consumption, but Vega... I'll wait for you baby....

I really want to see 2x RX 470 4GB $300 vs GTX 1080.
 

realibrad

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I really want to see 2x RX 470 4GB $300 vs GTX 1080.

I think this may spark interest in dual cards again. For a while, people seemed to do dual cards more, and then it fell off. Having such cheap solutions might make people more interested in it again.
 

AtenRa

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I think this may spark interest in dual cards again. For a while, people seemed to do dual cards more, and then it fell off. Having such cheap solutions might make people more interested in it again.

Only if new DX-12 titles will support CF and SLI, if new 2016-2017 PC games doesnt support dual GPUs then there is no point.
 

realibrad

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Only if new DX-12 titles will support CF and SLI, if new 2016-2017 PC games doesnt support dual GPUs then there is no point.

It seems like Nvidia wants to get away from it. We will have to see if AMD is willing, or if devs want to spend the time on it. I would imagine devs really dont want to though.
 

Yakk

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It seems like Nvidia wants to get away from it. We will have to see if AMD is willing, or if devs want to spend the time on it. I would imagine devs really dont want to though.

I wouldn't be surprised to see base multi-gpu code appear on OpenGPU and subsequently added to various game engines now that it does not have to be hacked into the API by IHVs.
 

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Woah.... so these current leaks may be true? I said the RX480 would beat the 1080 in CF mode. $400 for $700 performance?

I want an RX480 to lower my power consumption, but Vega... I'll wait for you baby....

If you didn't think two 230mm2 chips could compete with 1 315mm2 chip then you had some seriously low, low expectations. Pitcairn in crossfire soundly best GK104. These leaks show Polaris 10 essentially matching GP104. From a technical perspective, it's an actuality that AMD will have lost significant ground in perf/mm2. The only thing this is proving to me is how much Nvidia's prices suck right now.
 

iiiankiii

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The only way SLI/CF will take off if AMD somehow manages to convince console makers to put dual GPUs in their system. AMD would have to make an offer those console makers can't refuse. If that happens, developers would freakin' hate it but will be forced to use it. Highly doubt that would happen, though.
 

iiiankiii

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If you didn't think two 230mm2 chips could compete with 1 315mm2 chip then you had some seriously low, low expectations. Pitcairn in crossfire soundly best GK104. These leaks show Polaris 10 essentially matching GP104. From a technical perspective, it's an actuality that AMD will have lost significant ground in perf/mm2. The only thing this is proving to me is how much Nvidia's prices suck right now.

Yeah, when I was doing the math, a 232mm 14nm gpu shouldn't perform lower than a GTX980/R9 390X, period. It should be a lot closer to Fury/Nano. If AMD actually manged to improve their "IPC", it should be inching on a Fury X. But, based on these leaks, it's a bit disappointing. Polaris' die size is way too big to be offering such lower relative performance. Of course, this is just basing off these leaks.

Regardless, there's no such thing as a bad product; just bad pricing. As it stands, based on these leaks, the pricing is excellent for the performance. It really is a game changer in that respect.
 
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