AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[mxnerd]

At this price, can AMD make any money?

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Stock Tumbles After Pricing Graphics Chips

https://www.thestreet.com/story/135...ock-tumbles-after-pricing-graphics-chips.html

 

[DarkKnightDude]

All that 470/480 naming, reminds me too much of Fermi man.

Yeah I keep misreading RX 480 as GTX 480. All confusing.

 

[swilli89]

At this price, can AMD make any money?

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Stock Tumbles After Pricing Graphics Chips

https://www.thestreet.com/story/135...ock-tumbles-after-pricing-graphics-chips.html

Those tech investor articles are about the most clueless things in the world. They're totally clueless to what's actually going on and just knee-jerk react with some narrative they think fits the situation.

 

[AnandThenMan]

At this price, can AMD make any money?

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Stock Tumbles After Pricing Graphics Chips

https://www.thestreet.com/story/135...ock-tumbles-after-pricing-graphics-chips.html

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) shares are down after pricing its graphics chips to power virtual reality software at $199, below comparable products that cost about $399

Clueless author can't even get the most basic facts straight.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

It's really not all that different from 28nm launch, where 7850s were around $200 and OCed to equal OC'ed GTX580. Definitely not the most ridiculous deal in gpu history, but certainly not a bad deal.

The amount of performance you get for the price on 1080p and possibly 1440p is crazy for $199-229.

7850's offered close to gtx580 performance, but it was at a time where game development was outpacing gpu performance and those cards struggled at 1080p. This $199 gpu could last someone 2-3 years on 1080p and that is a crazy deal.

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[Concillian]

7850 launched at $250 and when OC'd could barely catch a stock 580, closer to a 570.

Maybe when "baby" OCed.

Mine was OCed with the stock cooler to 1260 and remember it comparing it to ~900 MHz GTX580s (most 580s would OC in the 850-870 MHz range).
7850s were OC beasts, but the stock software would want to limit OCs to 1050. You had to bend the rules a little to get the real OCs.

If the 480 OCs half as well as the 7850 did, I'll be REALLY happy. Even at stock speed it's not a bad price / perf.

 

[SelenaGomez]

AMd and their numbering of cards is just annoying and confusing. They need to stop. 480x 470 7870 7970 7850 390 380 370 x2 450 5870 5580 blah blah blah.

I am not an AMD fan and have never owned one but i am excited about this Polaris and if the actual prices are below $300 in Canada then I will buy 2 for CF. I was going to buy a 1070 but we shall see when the real benchmarks come out. I havent been excited about AMD except back in 2004-2005 when the Radeon x800 series came out.

 

[MagickMan]

Clueless author can't even get the most basic facts straight.

They love being ignorant too. I confronted U-Jin Lee (the author of the article) on Twitter and tried to explain where she was wrong, and she blocked me.

 

[Bacon1]

At this price, can AMD make any money?

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Stock Tumbles After Pricing Graphics Chips

https://www.thestreet.com/story/135...ock-tumbles-after-pricing-graphics-chips.html

Yes they can, they have been planning on selling them this cheap since the beginning, it was their whole point of the cards.

https://youtu.be/p010lp5uLQA?t=997

He talks about how the chips are made, how the costs work and how they are able to get more chips for cheaper that are faster. That allows them to drive down the end user cost to raise the TAM for VR.

Minimum spec for VR, at a lower cost, in larger volume, consuming less power, running faster. That means in the second half of the year...

This was 6 months ago, no idea where everyone got the idea they were trying to make a top end card, or an expensive card. They whole point of Polaris was to bring VR class cards for cheap

 

[exar333]

Yes they can, they have been planning on selling them this cheap since the beginning, it was their whole point of the cards.

https://youtu.be/p010lp5uLQA?t=997

He talks about how the chips are made, how the costs work and how they are able to get more chips for cheaper that are faster. That allows them to drive down the end user cost to raise the TAM for VR.




This was 6 months ago, no idea where everyone got the idea they were trying to make a top end card, or an expensive card. They whole point of Polaris was to bring VR class cards for cheap

No kidding!

The author and contributors obviously don't understand the market play here. They applaud AMD a few weeks ago for console deals (lower ASP vs. P10 for sure) and then discount this? They just don't get it...

If P10 doesn't sell well, AMD cannot blame themselves! They made a great card at a great price point...

 

[sirmo]

AMd and their numbering of cards is just annoying and confusing. They need to stop. 480x 470 7870 7970 7850 390 380 370 x2 450 5870 5580 blah blah blah.

I am not an AMD fan and have never owned one but i am excited about this Polaris and if the actual prices are below $300 in Canada then I will buy 2 for CF. I was going to buy a 1070 but we shall see when the real benchmarks come out. I havent been excited about AMD except back in 2004-2005 when the Radeon x800 series came out.

That's cool man, but you must have not been paying too close attention to GPUs when 4870 and 5870 cards rolled around, because those GPUs were beauties too.

I've bought both AMD and Nvidia over the years, I have both an AMD and Nvidia gaming rig. I'll buy whatever runs relatively cool and has a good perf/$$. Also thinking about rx480 crossfire.

 

[sirmo]

No kidding!

The author and contributors obviously don't understand the market play here. They applaud AMD a few weeks ago for console deals (lower ASP vs. P10 for sure) and then discount this? They just don't get it...

If P10 doesn't sell well, AMD cannot blame themselves! They made a great card at a great price point...

A lot of these contributors have personal interests and bias. They could either be Nvidia investors or they could be playing the market by shorting AMD. Or simply being paid to shill and cause market hysteria.

That article in particular was timed perfectly to try and cause an AMD panic sell of. And even though AMD stock is down by 3% for the day, considering the market was in turmoil today, it doesn't look like it worked.

AMD's stock seems to holding its new gained ground well.

Mark Hibben for instance is another shill that timed his article around the same time: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3979206-amd-exposes-lack-competitiveness-computex

This guy has a history of downplaying any positive AMD news. He did it when the Chinese JV deal was announced, and he does it now. Every single one of his AMD articles has a very negative spin. And surprise he's an Nvidia investor.

 

[ctk1981]

Just hazarding a guess, but people investing in amd aren't basing their investments off of forums or review sites. Would be pretty wreckless as far as serious investors go.

 

[videogames101]

There's a small army of retired 60 year olds and 40+ guys downplaying AMD every single chance they get due to their own personal interests in stocks, Hibben is one of them, his buddys that frequent his posts at seeking alpha are Ephud, very famous anti-amd troll for many many years and many others, this forum also got its share of fanatical intel/nvidia stockholders, like ashraf eassa writing as Intel17 and bunch of others.


keep your conspiracy theories to yourself, and stop trolling
Markfw900

It would be naive to think there are no viral marketers around here, from both vendors.

 

[IEC]

They love being ignorant too. I confronted U-Jin Lee (the author of the article) on Twitter and tried to explain where she was wrong, and she blocked me.

They have no interest in facts. Only in supporting a premade conclusion to support their stock positions (or those of their buddies).

 

[Elixer]

AMd and their numbering of cards is just annoying and confusing. They need to stop. 480x 470 7870 7970 7850 390 380 370 x2 450 5870 5580 blah blah blah.

Why would you list them that way? You made them confusing.

They had 4xxx, 5xxx, 6xxx 7xxx series, nvidia had Geforce 2, Geforce 3 ... Geforce 7x0, then 8x0, then AMD went to using R9 3xx, nvidia has Geforce 9x0, AMD now has RX(R 10) for 4xx, and nvidia is using Geforce 10x0.

 

[poohbear]

So 2 of these bad boys in Crossfire for $400 & BAM gtx 1080 performance for $300 less. Not too shabby!

I also read they use PCIE 3.0, not a ribbon, so should provide.plenty of bandwidth & more stability yea?

 

[poohbear]

Just hazarding a guess, but people investing in amd aren't basing their investments off of forums or review sites. Would be pretty wreckless as far as serious investors go.

Lol alot of stocks are invested based on rumors & pure speculation. Look at Tesla. They lose $19,000 a car yet their stock is through the roof! There are plenty of people interested in shorting AMD or any other stock they see as unstable by spreading hysteria or negative news. I think some were pointed out earlier, but I know they frequent tech forums for tidbits of news. I'm both an AMD & Nvida investor, I just see alot more headroom with AMD than nvidia. Nvidia is way overbought since their earnings in May IMHO.

 

[beginner99]

For people concerned about the process and clock speeds:

Maxwell already clocked much higher than GCN on same process. And Pascal is a Maxwell die shrink more or less. Also FinFet says 40% higher clock at same power level. Hawaii is basically factory OCed. Power use gets way better at lower clocks (and voltage). At 900 mhz it's much more efficient. So 900 mhz * 1.4 = 1.26 Ghz, exactly what leaks indicate for P10. This also means there is potential for custom cards with much higher clocks (and power use). It could probably reach GTX 1070 levels of performance albeit at higher power usage, eg. at least 1 8-Pin connector.

390s are clocked around 1050 Mhz, and 1100 MHz should be reachable. So that's a 22% overclock from 900 mhz. If my logic is correct P10 should have an OC headroom of 22% or about 1500 mhz. Issue is if memory can be OC'ed at all and if not if it is the limiting factor.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Clueless author can't even get the most basic facts straight.

Actually its very logical for Investors to think that way.

-Halo products create the emotion that makes people spend money irrationally, aka more than they would anyway*
-The fact that absolute revenue(and maybe even net revenue) is low is almost guaranteed. It would be ok only if they get the marketshare AMD is likely expecting. Otherwise, they would be selling few cards at bargain prices.

Also, for CPUs where performance isn't as important as anymore, the low power/economical angle works better. What about GPUs where the market is FAR smaller and more enthusiasts who care about performance?

*This is extremely irresponsible because it causes bigger problems that would contribute to catastrophic failures for the whole economy in the long run. But that's the fault of a capitalistic economy, so what can you do? And that's beside the point.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Very likely we'll learn a bit more about Polaris at E3

http://www.pcgamingshow.com/

AMD is hosting the E3 show yet again.

 

[Bacon1]

Very likely we'll learn a bit more about Polaris at E3

http://www.pcgamingshow.com/

AMD is hosting the E3 show yet again.

They said at the end of the Polaris section of the stream that they would be giving out a lot more information in the next few weeks until launch.

 

[redzo]

Actually its very logical for Investors to think that way.
...

You are right. An investor loosing money is still called an investor and probably her main audience.
It is impossible to defend her after this

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) shares are down after pricing its graphics chips to power virtual reality software at $199, below comparable products that cost about $399.

You can't expect something valuable out of that article after reading this.

 

[3DVagabond]

Any hope this will impact 1070 pricing? D:

Hope not.

 

[3DVagabond]

Wait, so since the "67DF:C7" in the Ashes benchmark is the RX 480, so this leaked bench got the names and number correct. Assuming this bench still holds up...

The "67DF:C4" must be a 470X? 970 level performance for under 200 bucks is going to sell.

If this ends up the case after reviews then the "470/X" will be a killer 1080p card.