AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

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Mopetar

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You do realise that card has an 8 pin connector?

AIB card to be super clocked or RX 490 hiding in plain sight?

29th June :sneaky:

More likely a 480X. Pitcairn was sold with both a 6-pin and 2x 6-pin (8-pin equivalent) version, with Pitcairn XT (7870) being uncut and having a higher clock speed. It also sold at $100 higher than the 7850, which is the same price band that AMD put down for Polaris.

I don't think we'll see a 490 until Vega releases, especially if there's going to be a Vega 10 and 11 similar to how there both big and small Polaris, which was apparently the plan as of some time ago and I haven't heard any rumors of change.
 

crisium

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480x is a replacement of 380x its not fury, its not 490 so why does it have to compete with a 700 dollar card?

That is not at all what I am talking about. I am comparing old Nvidia to new Nvidia, and old AMD to new AMD, and only THEN comparing it to each other through die sizes and shader gains to determine if AMD is catching up, stagnating, or falling father behind in the technical metrics (not price, not absolutely performance).
 

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That is not at all what I am talking about. I am comparing old Nvidia to new Nvidia, and old AMD to new AMD, and only THEN comparing it to each other through die sizes and shader gains to determine if AMD is catching up, stagnating, or falling father behind in the technical metrics (not price, not absolutely performance).

True, but you also have to compare clocks. RX 480 is not clocked 80% higher than 390x, you have to take that into consideration. It is not their high end part, we can compare rx 490 to 390x, see how that compares when it comes out. AMD has to leave room for higher end cards as well. Like I said you will probably know what the potential is looking at how far rx480 goes. It will be a good indication of how the higher ends will clock. As they refine the process we are likely to get better results.

I think AMD clocked the card just enough to meet 390/390x/980 ballpark. Price the upcoming cards accordingly.
 
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nkdesistyle

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Why do you think that? There's absolutely no reason the full die can't be $299. This is a Pitcairn-sized chip.

some people don't want competition thats why, lol. They think this is the last card amd is making and there isn't anything else coming out rofl. Its stupid to think that their won't be another version of card at 2560 shaders, they aren't jumping straight to 3584 and 4096 shaders. Makes me laugh.
 

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I know this is kinda off topic but would u guys buy powercolor or sapphire for amd ? I was looking at the r9 390 pcs+ reviews and kitguru shows a 58°(6° cooler than the nitro) @ load while TPU is showing an average of 71(that's a difference of 13°).
 

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I know this is kinda off topic but would u guys buy powercolor or sapphire for amd ? I was looking at the r9 390 pcs+ reviews and kitguru shows a 58°(6° cooler than the nitro) @ load while TPU is showing an average of 71(that's a difference of 13°).


after much research I took the plunge on that Power Color model, as it seemed the best to me, I'm not a guy to get caught up on brand names, but I knew little about Power color and their warranty support, so i wanted to stick with MSI or Sapphire, but the 390pcs+ color had excellent review stats and it went on a nice sale I couldn't resist. The MSI 390 just seemed to have conflicting reports to me with it running 70-80, so i didn't want that and the sapphire one, while still pretty nice, still wasn't as cool as the Power color and almost always more expensive. So far so good, and the temps deliver.
 
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Stuka87

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after much research I took the plunge on that Power Color model, as it seemed the best to me, I'm not a guy to get caught up on brand names, but I knew little about Power color and their warranty support, so i wanted to stick with MSI or Sapphire, but the 390pcs+ color had excellent review stats and it went on a nice sale I couldn't resist. The MSI 390 just seemed to have conflicting reports to me with it running 70-80, so i didn't want that and the sapphire one, while still pretty nice, still wasn't as cool as the Power color and almost always more expensive. So far so good, and the temps deliver.

I have had very good experiences with PowerColor, I would not hesitate to buy another.
 

tential

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I know this is kinda off topic but would u guys buy powercolor or sapphire for amd ? I was looking at the r9 390 pcs+ reviews and kitguru shows a 58°(6° cooler than the nitro) @ load while TPU is showing an average of 71(that's a difference of 13°).
Always go sapphire if you can. This isn't even a debate....

Also you can't cross compare reviews like that. It needs to be the same testing scenarios.

Sapphire has had the best coolers for amd for awhile.
 

3DVagabond

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I think it depends on what kind of clock speeds they can get out of the chips they have. AMD isn't at the top of the market with Polaris 10 so they price their cards relative to the rest of the market and past offerings from the previous generation.

If they had a card that could perform for $350 of performance, that's what it would sell for, but if it can only justify $300, that's where it would be. For $350 I'd expect something that trades blows with the 1070, because eventually it will drop close to MSRP and at $350 you can't sell a card that's going to have more than a ~5% performance gap or most people will just pay the extra $30 for the added bump.

We'll eventually see a full die, but I expect that AMD might be waiting until they can get better clock speeds out of their chips. An extra ~10% performance from a full die isn't worth $100, so it likely needs a good bump from clock speeds as well, because for a 50% increase in price (or perhaps closer to 30% given that a 480X wouldn't ship with less than 8 GB) you'd expect at least a 25% increase in performance.

The real question is who's going to get to that magical $300 price point first as right now with the 480 at $200 and the 1070 at double the cost, there's a gaping hole in the middle and as the 970 proved, that's a sweet spot to own in the market.

Seems pretty clear that nVidia didn't price the 480 as perf/nVidia. They are looking to be far better perf/$ so far.
 

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Let's face it guys, whether you dislike AMD or not, if they deliver amazing deals like the RX 480 and this new Polaris series, it forces NVIDIA to compete. When the 1060Ti and 1060 launch, it won't come with a premium tax on it if Polaris is a better product.

Don't be such a downer (all that heated argument on an unreleased product..) on an AMD product thread. A competitive AMD is good for gamers.

Listen, if people want to spend more let them. I hope nVidia continues to charge as much as their fan base will pay. They're already justifying $700 ~300mm² chips. Next Titan should be $1500. Let them have it, if they want.
 

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480x is a replacement of 380x its not fury, its not 490 so why does it have to compete with a 700 dollar card? Why can't people just see that, lol. At the end AMD is calling it 480x not anything else. Yea at 100% faster clock speeds pascal better be fast.

AMD is not raising the clocks from 1000 to 1700 or 1800 because they don't if their IPC is improved under, you will probably see it increase as they add more cores.

They are both doing what they saw best for their needs. Who knows if we will see how 480x clocks it will be a good representation of how much amd can squeeze from vega.

Vega is supposed to be a new uarch. They could decide to go wide and slow or deep and fast. We have no idea at this time.
 

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I know this is kinda off topic but would u guys buy powercolor or sapphire for amd ? I was looking at the r9 390 pcs+ reviews and kitguru shows a 58°(6° cooler than the nitro) @ load while TPU is showing an average of 71(that's a difference of 13°).

Powercolor uses a more aggressive fan curve. cooler but louder. I believe that the Sapphires cool the VRM a bit better though. That might be why Powercolor ramps up the fan speed a bit more.
 

antihelten

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Powercolor uses a more aggressive fan curve. cooler but louder. I believe that the Sapphires cool the VRM a bit better though. That might be why Powercolor ramps up the fan speed a bit more.

Honestly though, we really have no way of knowing how the different brands will compare to each other yet.

What you say may very well have been true for the current generation of cards, but I would be very surprised if all of the AIB partners don't come out with new cooler designs, and as such we have no way of knowing how they stack up until the reviews start coming in.
 

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Vega is supposed to be a new uarch. They could decide to go wide and slow or deep and fast. We have no idea at this time.

470 - 480 - 490 arriving 29June later Vega as 490X and whatever name for Big Vega
seems like the logical approach
Bad news for nvidia though.
 

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Honestly though, we really have no way of knowing how the different brands will compare to each other yet.

What you say may very well have been true for the current generation of cards, but I would be very surprised if all of the AIB partners don't come out with new cooler designs, and as such we have no way of knowing how they stack up until the reviews start coming in.

He was asking about the 390.
 

Maverick177

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Vega is supposed to be a new uarch. They could decide to go wide and slow or deep and fast. We have no idea at this time.

Don't recall AMD saying Vega is a new uarch.

470 - 480 - 490 arriving 29June later Vega as 490X and whatever name for Big Vega
seems like the logical approach
Bad news for nvidia though.

Where's this 490 info coming from, there hasn't been any mentions of this card from AMD.
 

oussama-tn

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Powercolor uses a more aggressive fan curve. cooler but louder. I believe that the Sapphires cool the VRM a bit better though. That might be why Powercolor ramps up the fan speed a bit more.

Thanks. The reason i was asking this is that i can find the pcs+ 20 euros cheaper than the sapphire.I currently own an r9 390 nitro wich im happy with but im hoping to get a second card and go for cf, i might wait for cheaper prices though.()
 

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I own PCS 390. I did have some problems initially when all 3D programs would crash after a few seconds/minutes but then things resolved themselves magically.
 

VulgarDisplay

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In the interest of simplicity I think they will call the full chip rx485 if it exists.

Vega will be rx490/495 and fury/fury x branding.
 
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