AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[BlitzWulf]

Just google xfx 290



leaks for clicks!

I do know better I swear.

Too much hype I think 'm gonna stay off the internet till Monday

 

[Snafuh]

It is not fake. He posted a video on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_qg2PITCts&feature=youtu.be

67DF:C7 is 4 GB version of the GPU also, and it has 1080 MHz base core clock.

And he run Firestrike Ultra
https://www.flickr.com/photos/107825676@N07/27573213556/

3268 points. A tiny bit faster than a 390X

 

[Eymar]

Wow that is awesome if true for $200. Especially if the large buffer (or whatever helps with DX11 draw calls) and new geometry hardware helps with DX11 Gameworks games. If 480 also overclocks decently then this card is a winner in my book. Think I would pair 480 with this: http://www.microcenter.com/product/457804/ENVY_32_Media_Display_Monitor

 

[sxr7171]

If I count this correctly, 48 CU P10 with 1.35 GHz, and GDDR5X memory would be within 10% of GTX 1080. For half the price, and with much lower power consumption...

Amazing possibility, have to say. That would tell why Nvidia rushed so hard with GTX 1080 and GTX 1070.

If this is true I'll have to buy it. I have to support any company that can cut nVidia down to size. Also while it may not be the top card I'm sure it will last more than 6 months which cannot be said for nVidia cards.

 

[nkdesistyle]

So at 1080 base clock its beating the 390x? I would say they they might be right about 2.8x performance number based on Architecture+FinFet. Looks impressive.

 

[Head1985]

At 1080mhz it is underclocked.It should run at 1266Mhz so add 15% performance.
GPU score at 1080Mhz is 3194 + 15%=3673point

 

[boozzer]

guys, when will the nda be lifted for benchmarks? monday?

 

[Dice144]

guys, when will the nda be lifted for benchmarks? monday?

Hope so

 

[sze5003]

I want to see how these models would compare to a 1070 as that's my preferred choice right now. I can see that at 1080 or 1440p benches are good I may save myself some money this way.

 

[crisium]

Are we sure his model was 2304SP, and definitely was running at 1080MHz (not a misread and actually boosts to 1266MHz or something)?

2304SP 1080MHz 256GB/s beating (slightly) the 2816SP 1050MHz 384GB/s is quite the improvement if true.

 

[oussama-tn]

What are you using now?

A 480 is going to be more of a sidegrade for anyone using a 290+ right now. At $200 though it's a great deal for anyone under that level though. What value Polaris 10 offers at $300 remains to be seen, but I'd be surprised if it's much more than a 25% improvement over the 480.

Anyone who wants a serious upgrade from AMD is likely going to have to wait another 4 months at the very least.

Im using an r9 390 nitro, if the recent talk is true and we get a ''full polaris'' with performance near by 10% the gtx 1070, i will get it ( ofc after seing true benchmarks ) if not i will just grab a second 390 but then i will have to upgrade my psu from 750 b+ to 1000w

 

[RussianSensation]

You seem to be right. Just googled 780 lightning and it looks exactly the same. LOL

The heatsink looks different (look at the yellow line that starts almost right after the left 8-pin connector but the heatsink extends much longer on the 780 Lightning) and the capacitor is way farther away on the 780 Lightning. The 780 Lightning is also a Dual 8-pin but the card in the pictures is a 8+6 pin.

At 1080mhz it is underclocked.It should run at 1266Mhz so add 15% performance.
GPU score at 1080Mhz is 3194 + 15%=3673point

What if it's 1080mhz base with 1266 Boost? When I open my Radeon settings panel, it only shows the Core Clock despite my cards overclocked to 1100-1150mhz.

 

[Bacon1]

Thats his Fire Strike Ultra score

AMD Radeon RAGE 67DF:C7

Bringing back RAGE?? :O

 

[oussama-tn]

From what I've read it seems most AIBs will launch 8GB cards first. Generally speaking AIBs add a $20-40 premium on top around launch. I would expect retail 480 8GB to cost $249-269. I would be pleasantly surprised if we see Asus Strix or Sapphire Nitro 480 8GB for $229-239. The Reddit thread which discusses a 3072 SP AMD card has info that intental AMD documents show Fury replacement for Q2 2017. Sounds like AMD will go completely backwards from HD7000/290 series -> HD7750/7770 P11 + HD7850/7870 P10 first, then Vega 10 is HD7950/7970 replacement and Vega 11 seems like the > 400mm2 HBM2 290/290X replacement (which naturally is a Fury/X replacement also).

I think Nitro is cheaper than strix or so it has been for the last months ( ive been checking newegg repeatedly it was 320/350) but now it's not the case anymore even the european prices ( LDLC france and @ idealo.de ) sapphire has been lower by 20-40euros than asus/msi.
Ps: the sapphire r9 390 has been out of stocks 2-3 times during the last month on newegg

 

[nkdesistyle]

guys, when will the nda be lifted for benchmarks? monday?

Suppose to the 29th but I am pretty sure alot will be leaking before that. I think AMD probably expected that too. Looks like we are going to have decent availability of these cards. We are starting to see custom cards already which is a great sign.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think Nitro is cheaper than strix or so it has been for the last months ( ive been checking newegg repeatedly it was 320/350) but now it's not the case anymore even the european prices ( LDLC france and @ idealo.de ) sapphire has been lower by 20-40euros than asus/msi.
Ps: the sapphire r9 390 has been out of stocks 2-3 times during the last month.

The Nitro 380 should be a good indication for the worst case scenario for Nitro 480's temperatures and noise levels.

Sapphire Nitro RX 480 will have a superior cooler to GTX 1070/1080 FE cards which come with a $70-100 Magnesium Alloy NV Premium. :sneaky:

 

[Silverforce11]

That sounds too good to be true. I'm taking it with a grain of salt for now. But if it is accurate... Nvidia could be in for some serious trouble.

AtlasRush seems to be saying that 470/480/490 would all be Polaris 10 SKUs. Further down the thread, he indicates that Polaris 11 would be the 460/450/440 (with "R" prefix instead of "RX"). If all this is true, it seems to indicate that GloFo 14LPP yields are fairly bad at this time. Not only would there be third-tier salvage parts for even the small Cape-Verde-sized Polaris 11 die, but the third-tier salvage for Polaris 10 (RX 470) would be cut down by a full 50% (1536 of 3072 shaders enabled). AtlasRush was also careful to say "NDA for 480 expires on 29th." Thus even if this is accurate, we may not see the full 490 until later. And if yields are really bad, it may take some time for availability to become widespread.

They need 3 SKUs from Polaris 10 because the gap from it to Polaris 11 is pretty huge.

I don't think it will be that many CU though. Polaris 11 is 20 CU, a straight doubling (the easiest approach) of resources will lead to 40 CU.

Now, unless the leaks are around about Polaris 11, ie, it could be 22/24 CU, then yes, Polaris 10 could be 44/48 CU...

And guys, it's not even about yields. 14FF has a claimed 0.2 defects/cm2, not high at all. It's about using as many chips as possible from the wafer to drive costs down because AMD is pricing these SKUs very aggressively. So there's both a need on cost and to fill in the performance gap.

 

[Mopetar]

The Nitro 380 should be a good indication for the worst case scenario for Nitro 480's temperatures and noise levels.

That is the worst graph in the history of the plant.

Conveying a 4 degree difference as a 200% increase is egregiously heinous.

 

[Silverforce11]

Those Korean leaks are so LOL. AMD is playing with us, giving them samples of different SKUs at different clocks/bios with different names..

It's their way to prevent leaks because if you come out with it, they knew who broke NDA since each sample is unique.

1080mhz... lol.

This reminds me back in the days, AMD did the same to AIB samples to catch leaks.

These leaks are consistent though, they point to Fury performance from RX 480.

If there's a much faster Polaris 10 SKU, yeah, this is the 4850 and 4870 all over again.

Oh, imagine if these can pull a 25% OC... that's gonna be the real surprise factor.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'll take fury performance with ultra low power consumption for 200 ish dollars. Actually that is perfect for me. I have a 2600k at 4ghz and would prefer a cool running card as I live in Texas and it's summer time. Also only shelling out $200 is nice too. I'm willing to wait it out. For a little while I considered a 1070 but if I'm honest with myself a 480 Is plenty of gpu for me. I don't even know if 4ghz 2600k would be enough for a 1070 anyways.

 

[nkdesistyle]

Those Korean leaks are so LOL. AMD is playing with us, giving them samples of different SKUs at different clocks/bios with different names..

It's their way to prevent leaks because if you come out with it, they knew who broke NDA since each sample is unique.

1080mhz... lol.

This reminds me back in the days, AMD did the same to AIB samples to catch leaks.

These leaks are consistent though, they point to Fury performance from RX 480.

If there's a much faster Polaris 10 SKU, yeah, this is the 4850 and 4870 all over again.

Oh, imagine if these can pull a 25% OC... that's gonna be the real surprise factor.

Yep, check this link out. He has a facebook screenshot of with someone else saying his sample is 1227mhz and then it says in pure english NDA trap, lol. You don't even have to translate that part.

 

[Glo.]

What if the "rumored" 1266 MHz is only temporary core clock, and with new drivers AMD will increase the core clocks for all GPUs from Polaris series?

 

[Silverforce11]

As a reminder, AMD use to do this to AIBs often, giving them samples with different bioses so if there's leaks, it's wrong info (not final SP count or clocks!) on purpose and they know who is reliable. They give them the final bios just shorty before products are finalized.

Interesting that they do this to reviewers as now as well for Polaris... really secretive launch. Since everyone was shocked about the pricing, I think AMD's goal was to catch NV with their pants down basically.

I think NV was on to this, hence the dual pricing, MSRP/Ref. So if Polaris is good, and NV needs to price drop, they don't have to, simply have cards sell for MSRP and claim "our MSRP has not changed".

Thinking about it, it's entirely plausible all the leaked CU count so far for C4, C7 and C10 could be ALL WRONG.

Btw, with all the eyes of tech journalists on him, Raja pulls out victory cigar.

 

[.vodka]

Now that you guys mention it, yeah, AMD is known to do this.


Makes me doubt the 1266MHz figure as well.

 

[oussama-tn]

The Nitro 380 should be a good indication for the worst case scenario for Nitro 480's temperatures and noise levels.

Sapphire Nitro RX 480 will have a superior cooler to GTX 1070/1080 FE cards which come with a $70-100 Magnesium Alloy NV Premium. :sneaky:

That's true , my r9 390 gives me 70° @ 50-55 fan load, i litterally can't hear the card since my shadow rock slim has more db @65 the temperatures drop to 64°. Though i am concerned what temperatures will i be having if i get a second nitro since one gpu is starting to struggle @1440 and i honestly want to play everything maxed out. I didnt find a single benchmark/test on the sapphire r9 390 in cf on the net. What temperatures you guys think the gpu's will be running at ( all maxed out and let's say Vsync activated). Any help would be appreciated