AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

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tential

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Not so amazing really.

What you have known about the pricing structure of graphics cards all happened over the years when NVIDIA had 30-60% market share, and real competition from at least one other company, sometimes more.

This isn't true anymore.

NVIDIA is just doing what companies who have a great advantage in the market and no competition coming for months do- sell for whatever they want.

They could have sold 1080s for $800 and sold them all.

AMD would be doing the same if roles were reversed.

I remember paying $1000 for my FX CPUs (first gen).
It's simpler than that. There will always be buyers at every price point. Amd is open to do it to and did with fury nano.... They just dropped the price super far. But people still thought it was worth the price at 650 and even I think fury should be 450 and nano 500 or something I Dont get who in their rihht mind would get fury over nano. Like it's the best deal by far at the high end For amd.
 

IllogicalGlory

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RADEON RX 480 8G GDDR5 PCI-E HDMI 3XDP UEFI

£210.99 ex VAT
£253.18 inc VAT

www.pcworldbusiness.co.uk/catalogue/item/P240047P
Europe prices, business as usual. What we pay in dollars is what they pay in pounds/euros, approximately.

PS4 launch prices, for example
$399 (NA), €399 (Europe), and £349 (UK) given
If we assume the same price gap, we'll be paying $240 for the 8GB 480, but that's a very rough guess. VAT is a (ridiculously high by our standards) tax and completely irrelevant to the sale price. I remember helping a guy in Britain pick out a computer, and the VAT was about 20% on everything. Might as well be saying 1080 FEs cost $750, because they do with taxes, but it's a good red herring, and allows people to say "8GB 480s cost $360", and since that's memorable, it catches on, however untrue.
 
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nurturedhate

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Europe prices, business as usual. What we pay in dollars is what they pay in pounds/euros, approximately.

PS4 launch prices, for exampleIf we assume the same price gap, we'll be paying $240 for the 8GB 480, but that's a very rough guess. VAT is a (ridiculously high by our standards) tax and completely irrelevant to the sale price. I remember helping a guy in Britain pick out a computer, and the VAT was about 20% on everything. Might as well be saying 1080 FEs cost $750, because they do with taxes, but it's a good red herring, and allows people to say "8GB 480s cost $360", and since that's memorable, it catches on, however untrue.

Yep, and in the 1080/70 threads VAT was downplayed...
 

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let me try....

If you ride a bicycle and put it in first gear and it takes you 100 times around with the peddles to get around the block thats lower IPC then say peddling 50 times to get around the same block.

SO if the older gtx980 needed 1000mhz/2500 shaders to get around the block then a gpu like the 1070 would need the same 1000MHz/2500 shaders to get around the same block.
that would be = IPC

Now if the older gtx980 needed only 800mhz/2500 shaders to do the same work as the gtx1070 with 1200mhz/2600 shader, the older gtx980 has better IPC.

If just a more efficient gpu clock cycle.
I tried.

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Yeah it's a flipside situation, PS4 Neo will end up quite a bit slower if the GPU runs at 911 (911!!) clocks, though I doubt it's the final spec. There's no reason not to run it higher given Polaris isn't power hungry.

They will both be Polaris based, with Scorpio using GDDR5X (only way to arrive at 320GB/s). Vega is designed for HBM2 and that's a massive leap upwards in performance and price, beyond console specs.

This also means Polaris is designed to be compatible with both GDDR5/X, and I expect a 380X-type launch later, RX 490, 40 CU enabled, higher clocks, GDDR5X.
 

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something tells me AMD is trying to make the 480 the modern day Celeron 300A

Lol. If it indeed performs at the levels of the most recent leaks, those were my thoughts to a word - it's the best computer hardware deal since good ol' celery 300a.

If only one more person would leak and we could get confirmation...
 

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They will both be Polaris based, with Scorpio using GDDR5X (only way to arrive at 320GB/s).

Or it's combined bandwidth GDDR5 + ESRAM. In my limited experience it seems to be much simpler for backwards compatibility to keep the ESRAM because some games for sure rely on it maybe even including latency.
 

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Yeah it's a flipside situation, PS4 Neo will end up quite a bit slower if the GPU runs at 911 (911!!) clocks, though I doubt it's the final spec. There's no reason not to run it higher given Polaris isn't power hungry.

They will both be Polaris based, with Scorpio using GDDR5X (only way to arrive at 320GB/s). Vega is designed for HBM2 and that's a massive leap upwards in performance and price, beyond console specs.

This also means Polaris is designed to be compatible with both GDDR5/X, and I expect a 380X-type launch later, RX 490, 40 CU enabled, higher clocks, GDDR5X.
Weren't there two XBOs announced at the E3, the updated XBOne (s) & then Project Scorpio? If so the final specs of the true nexgen© PS can still be manipulated enough to beat the next gen Xbox, probably the same reason why there was no announcement here. Then there's still the possibility of a minor refresh ala PS4.5
 

mohit9206

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Right, and this applies to Polaris 11 as well.

So the RX 460 is very likely to be a cut Polaris 11 (1024/1280 SP), $99. ~50W gaming load.

It better be faster than 750Ti and it better be 4gb.But it will probably only be 2gb with 4gb being around $120-130.
 
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It better be faster than 750Ti and it better be 4gb.But it will probably only be 2gb with 4gb being around $120-130.

This is the cut Polaris 11, probably $99, well below 380/960 performance. My guess, GTX 950 performance at 50W.

2GB is fine for such low performance class, though I'm sure someone will release a 4GB variant and charge $129 for it.

The performance gap from RX 460 vs RX 470 will be huge. We're talking likely 1024 vs 2048 shaders. So it cannot be priced too close to the RX 470 else it's a non starter. This limits the 4GB option.
 

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Yeah it's a flipside situation, PS4 Neo will end up quite a bit slower if the GPU runs at 911 (911!!) clocks, though I doubt it's the final spec. There's no reason not to run it higher given Polaris isn't power hungry.

They will both be Polaris based, with Scorpio using GDDR5X (only way to arrive at 320GB/s). Vega is designed for HBM2 and that's a massive leap upwards in performance and price, beyond console specs.

This also means Polaris is designed to be compatible with both GDDR5/X, and I expect a 380X-type launch later, RX 490, 40 CU enabled, higher clocks, GDDR5X.

So you remember Microsoft's claims about the xbox one having >200GB/s memory bandwidth right? It's entirely possible polaris supports G5X but I wouldn't infer anything from what is almost certainly marketing nonsense.
 
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So you remember Microsoft's claims about the xbox one having >200GB/s memory bandwidth right? It's entirely possible polaris supports G5X but I wouldn't infer anything from what is almost certainly marketing nonsense.

It just seems to fit, 256 bit bus from Polaris 10 + 10Gbps GDDR5X = 320GB/s.

That's also the simplest approach, rather than on die embedded ram which adds to APU complexity/cost, as well as reliance on off-die GDDR5.

In the developer community, the segmented ram in Xbone is unpopular. I'm sure MS has received plenty of feedback on that.
 
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As long as it's faster than a 390X, it'll be great at $199!

For those who don't know, Fury X & 980Ti is ~20% faster than 390X at 1440p.



If the RX 480 overclocks well, we could see it striking past Fury X & 980Ti!
 

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If that's true, and it runs anywhere near 1.2GHz, it'll have same performance at the same flops as the 390X.

So where's the new architecture?

Also the lower 470 and 460 cards aren't being said they are VR capable. At least with the 1070 and 1080 they do better in VR. 390X is VR capable too. So did they just put out a 390X with lower production cost and new prices? Is it VR capable and brings extra performance like Pascal or is it VR capable just as 390X is since it practically performs the same?

1080- 20-25% faster than 980 Ti. 2x the performance in VR
1070- ~980Ti in gaming, 60% more performance in VR compared to 980Ti

So, if a hypothetical 1060 comes out and performance similar in games to RX 480, then it'll perform better in VR. So really, what's new about Polaris other than lower production cost for AMD, and new selling point, and 1/2 the power? This is just like Intel's 22nm trigate Ivy Bridge launch. All it really did was enable 7W SKUs aka Y.
 
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If that's true, and it runs anywhere near 1.2GHz, it'll have same performance at the same flops as the 390X.

So where's the new architecture?

Also the lower 470 and 460 cards aren't being said they are VR capable. At least with the 1070 and 1080 they do better in VR. 390X is VR capable too. So did they just put out a 390X with lower production cost and new prices?

$449 & $699.

You sound like you're trying to play down the RX 480 for beating a 390X for $199 with less than half the power use.

Really?

Did you expect a $199 36 CU Polaris to match a 1070??
 

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If that's true, and it runs anywhere near 1.2GHz, it'll have same performance at the same flops as the 390X.

So where's the new architecture?

Also the lower 470 and 460 cards aren't being said they are VR capable. At least with the 1070 and 1080 they do better in VR. 390X is VR capable too. So did they just put out a 390X with lower production cost and new prices?

How does same/similar performance equate to same architecture?
 

Qwertilot

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Maybe the same way Pascal gets dismissed as 'just' a die shrink
(Which isn't fair either of course.).

The new architecture will judged from the power use, not the net speed. You can scale net card power up later so long as there's thermal/power budget to do it in.

Most likely they'll have closed some of the gap (chasm) that Maxwell opened up but maybe not all of it.

If it is as efficient as Pascal then they've done very good work indeed.

If its as far behind Pascal as the GCN cards were, then they've ran fast to stand still (or even backwards!). Not impossible - it is hard making these things
 
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