AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[swilli89]

Source for 2?

All the leaks (not that they mean anything in terms of real-world performance) slot the RX 480 between the 390X/980 performance level.

Not that videocardz is a reliable source, but I assume whatever sources your 'estimates' are from are about as reliable. (article from yesterday)
http://videocardz.com/61005/new-amd-radeon-rx-480-3dmark-benchmarks

Perhaps consider not speaking so matter of factly? All it does is rile people up.

Actually more recent leaks from WCCF show better performance all at stock 100W and 60C (massive headroom indicated by this).

I'm shaking my head at people scoffing at the idea of AIBs creating an ACTUALLY higher binned card with better power circuitry and cooling system. nVidia charged $100 more for exactly none of that, power throttling and loud fans and everyone thinks that these two scenarios are comparable?

Its ok for 980ti to be judged only by its high clocking, more expensive AIB versions but its not ok to compare the RX 480 the same way? How impossibly hard are the double standards around here?

If a card is a natural overclocker within reasonable power and noise profiles then yes, we enthusiasts around here like to include that in our evaluation, no matter which brand of card it is.

 

[Bacon1]

Unless i'm mistaken, i think that '+' means plus from the baseline of the GT730 price:

http://i.imgur.com/RamNi51.jpg

Which is around ~70 euro on amazon.de. That would make:

460 = 70 + 79 = 149€ (167$)
470 = 70 + 149 = 219€ (245)
480 = 70 + 209 = 279€ (313$)
480(8gb) = 70 + 249 = 319€(358$)

So if this is true, on the same amazon.de, for that price you can buy:

460 ~= GTX950
470 ~= R9 380X
480 ~= GTX970
480(8gb) ~= R9 390

Would be pretty sad if these prices are close to what we will get in Euorope.

Its a system builder tax. Same reason 4GB of RAM isn't actually +$400 from people like Apple

The Evga 1080 FTW Gaming is +845€ and Titan X is +1215€

So those aren't going to be the actual prices

 

[Bacon1]

German prices from GameMachines:

www.gamemachines.de

Here is the full image:

Using System builder pricing is silly, they overcharge for everything. Or is the EVGA 1080 Gaming FTW actually +845€?

Hands On: Radeon RX 460, 470, 480 Graphics Cards

http://unlocked.newegg.com/article/hands-amd-rx-460-470-480-graphics-cards

So you have two different sources, one trying to sell you the cards now (German builder) and another saying the cards won't be available for "months".

 

[Erithan13]

It's been clear for what feels like an eternity now that the top Polaris is all about delivering ~390X level performance at lower cost and much reduced power consumption. I don't normally have many kind words for AMD marketing (and I still wouldn't say they're delivering fully) but I'll give them praise right now for being open and more importantly being consistent about what P10 is going to deliver.

I get the sense certain people have been simply desperate for AMD to hype Polaris up beyond this level so they could swoop in and skewer them for it. Now that it seems to be clear that AMD have not fallen into that trap we're fully into to clutching-at-straws stage where any remotely negative news on the 480 is being spun madly as doom and gloom. Yes, this goes equally for any positive news, especially when it's the type that seems too good to be true (see the fake benchmarks) but I'm pretty satisfied by now that AMD are executing a very solid launch. I think the first proper reviews are only going to disappoint people who were expecting Polaris to be a flop and equally those who were expecting a 1070 killer for $200, although I'd absolutely love to be proven wrong on how well the aftermarket overclocked boards do.

In other news a redditor reports that AMD are scheduling a conference call on June 21st in regards to Polaris so maybe some more things might be leaked out of that.

 

[Abwx]

Not that videocardz is a reliable source, but I assume whatever sources your 'estimates' are from are about as reliable. (article from yesterday)
http://videocardz.com/61005/new-amd-radeon-rx-480-3dmark-benchmarks

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There s no reference to the exact card in his pics, 470 and 480 are both mentioned as supported by the driver but that s all..

 

[ComputerGuy2006]

This has been an almost text book AMD launch up to this point. Massive hope and hype, followed by confusion, followed by poor explanations, followed by disappointment, followed by acceptance, followed by massive hope and hype for the next big release.

I really hope the 480 looks good and has decent 8GB CAD price (sub $300). But I do agree with you, this feels like classic AMD marketing tricking us only to be later be disappointed at launch (biggest example would probably be those 'world record' bulldozer OC marketing tricks before the NDA only to later find out bulldozer was horrible).

 

[sze5003]

If the 480 is pretty close to 390 then I'm afraid that won't be a big enough upgrade for me and Vega is too far away. Still waiting for benchmarks and reviews though, but I'll most likely get a 1070. And so much for the 1070 being available at $389..ha.

 

[Insomniator]

All I'm saying is that at least Nvidia is giving us the OPTION of higher performance if we want to spend the money on it.

I have no problems with my 390, it performs well, cost $240 and replaced a 780 that I sold for not much less. That was 6 months ago though. If these cards are only delivering 390/x perf for ~$240 then why do I care? Lower power consumption? Sweet! Nvidia basically just gave the 980TI a $200 price drop. It seems like, as usual lately, if you have money to spend you go for NV/Intel.

Where is the exciting card to push the 1080 (or 1070 even?) I couldn't give less of a crap about $150 cards or APU's and I don't even consider myself an enthusiast. $350 where is AMD's option that competes for me?

 

[William Gaatjes]

Here is the full image:

Using System builder pricing is silly, they overcharge for everything. Or is the EVGA 1080 Gaming FTW actually +845€?




So you have two different sources, one trying to sell you the cards now (German builder) and another saying the cards won't be available for "months".

YAHOOOOOOOOOOO !

249 euro for the 8GB RX480.
That makes me very happy.
I will wait for the always present (with every manufacturer) early adopters issues to be solved first for a month. And then i hope there are still enough left to buy one.

Edit, to be honest, i do wonder if those prices are real. VAT and EU import duties might still raise the prices.


Another edit : :|
Meh, system builder.

 

[crisium]

All I'm saying is that at least Nvidia is giving us the OPTION of higher performance if we want to spend the money on it.

I have no problems with my 390, it performs well, cost $240 and replaced a 780 that I sold for not much less. That was 6 months ago though. If these cards are only delivering 390/x perf for ~$240 then why do I care? Lower power consumption? Sweet! Nvidia basically just gave the 980TI a $200 price drop. It seems like, as usual lately, if you have money to spend you go for NV/Intel.

Where is the exciting card to push the 1080 (or 1070 even?) I couldn't give less of a crap about $150 cards or APU's and I don't even consider myself an enthusiast. $350 where is AMD's option that competes for me?

The GP104 competitor is a Vega card that is probably late from the decision to use HBM2. You likely have to wait because of this choice that Nvidia did not make. If it's GDDR5/X then who knows why it is delayed.

 

[Sweepr]

The exact same benchmarks Tweakers posted yesterday, in a different format by Guru3D

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-470-benchmarks.html

 

[Bacon1]

Where is the exciting card to push the 1080 (or 1070 even?) I couldn't give less of a crap about $150 cards or APU's and I don't even consider myself an enthusiast. $350 where is AMD's option that competes for me?

They've said since at least January that they are bringing mainstream cards not higher end ones with Polaris. They wanted to lower the VR entry price and bring high performance for cheap, not compete for enthusiast market with Polaris.

 

[Thala]

Another edit :
Meh, system builder.

Well these system builder price adders looking to be a reasonable approximation of retail prices for the according graphics cards.

I any case looking at these numbers i would not be surprised to really see retail RX480 for 250€ in Europe/Germany including VAT.

 

[lukart]

Know how to upset mainstream GPU buyers?

At Computex: Starting at $199! That's right $199, amazing value. VR ready, $199. On store shelves June 29th.

Then only have $230+ 8GB models available on said launch date.

Very bad PR move if AMD is doing that. Mainstream = budget conscious and it absolves Nvidia of most of the PR damage caused by pulling that same stunt with "Founder's Edition".

Pretty my thoughts... but worst even, is that their 8Gb will be 239$ and not 229$ like expected :sneaky:

 

[caswow]

Unfortunately AMD seems to have gone for HBM2 for its GP104 competitor, presumably the smaller Vega (although if the sad 390>480 rumour is true I wonder if full small Vega can even match the 1070). HBM2 is not ready yet. Nvidia wisely went with GDDR5X. Although given the state of AMD's technology apparently falling further behind they need every advantage they can get so I guess they don't have a choice.

could you stop with the fud?

 

[crisium]

could you stop with the fud?

Edited.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I can't understand why everyone is forgetting that these tests are all using drivers from 4 months ago on an unreleased card.

I do not know if they 16.2 and 16.1 drivers even support Polaris gpus, but I do not see how they possibly could.

I'm still of the opinion that amd is intentionally sandbagging everyone to drop an atom bomb on the gpu market come come the 29th. Amd has been silent/intentionally vague about p10 performance this whole time. I see lots of "posters" on the forum taking forum hype from excited enthusiasts to be official amd marketing department releases. People speculate all the time because it's fun. All the doomsayers are not far behind to spread the green team love in an amd thread. I don't envy the mods their job.

These benchmarks so far all mean nothing until we see drivers that actually support the cards.

Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk

 

[sm625]

I can't understand why everyone is forgetting that these tests are all using drivers from 4 months ago on an unreleased card.

4 months? Is this true?

 

[redzo]

Unfortunately AMD seems to have gone for HBM2 for its GP104 competitor, presumably the smaller Vega (although if the sad 390>480 rumour is true I wonder if full small Vega can even match the 1070) ...

HBM(x) is the future. AMD did a good job by offering more memory where price matters. gddr5x looks just like a bridge between ddr and hbm.
If you think about it, they're gonna retire the under performing less efficient products. My bet is on the 480 replacing 390/x; a little later polaris based 460/70 replacing <390 and then, a lot later, vega replacing fury/x.
Vega, the Fury/x replacement, same 480 launch story. nvidia will probably release a 1080ti and cut the 1080/70 price significantly in order to stay competitive.
History repeats itself. The question is: is nvidia gonna screw their first consumer hbm product lineup? ATI had a way better track record at implementing new tech.

 

[maddie]

could you stop with the fud?

It doesn't matter what anyone says. No one can buy any RX cards at present, and few the 1070 and 1080, so all of the attempts to derail enthusiasm for the cards are futile. When we see reviews soon, then it will matter what anyone thinks, and the results will speak for itself. Just enjoy watching the many man-hrs wasted.

A real laugh seeing the arguments to belittle the cards as if they are preventing sales by doing this. The people interested in RX models are certainly not interested in getting 1070 or 1080 cards, so it's not as if discouragement will deflect sales to much more expensive models.

Also, so interesting to see the word enthusiast is now becoming synonymous with spending huge sums.

 

[Sweepr]

Local Retailer Lists Radeon RX 480 8GB At RM1,249 (Malaysia)

Whilst everyone is eagerly waiting for the release date of AMD&#8217;s Radeon RX 480 (29 June), a local retailer has managed to list down its retail price for the upcoming graphics card. The retailer, Lucro PC, will be selling the Sapphire RX 480 8GB variant (reference design) for RM1,249. It&#8217;s worth mentioning that the the suggested retail price given by AMD was US$199 (about RM815) &#8211; for the 4GB variant, of course.

The RM1,249 price tag for the RX 480 8GB variant should be more or less the same for other local retailers as well. That said, it&#8217;s worth noting that the price for the 8GB variant of the Radeon RX 480 graphics card hasn&#8217;t been released by AMD as of yet.

www.lowyat.net/2016/107641/local-retailer-lists-radeon-rx-480-at-rm1249/

RM1,249 = ~U$305

 

[rainy]

4 months? Is this true?

Yes, those drivers are from January/February and for sure doesn't support Polaris.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

I can't understand why everyone is forgetting that these tests are all using drivers from 4 months ago on an unreleased card.

People speculate all the time because it's fun.

Seems like you may have answered your own question. I may add that the discussion is interesting and valid so long as emotions are kept in check. That's probably my biggest gripe concerning some posters is that the have a hard time leaving emotions out of the discussion. Some need to leave brand preference at the door, there are plenty of other sites for banner waving

Otherwise, people make some genuinely intriguing points. That's why I still lurk here. I imagine the same is true with you.

 

[Riek]

The exact same benchmarks Tweakers posted yesterday, in a different format by Guru3D

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-470-benchmarks.html

So in short:
3dmark the 470 is ~60% faster than the 270x
in hitman it is ~115% faster.
overwatch 470 is also ~60% faster

270x ~2,7TFlops
470 -> ~5TFlops? (2048*1200)

Meh Seems GNC4 generation is not really improving efficiency at all.

 

[SPBHM]

are these specs real? 1536 SPs, 48ROPs and so on!?
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2861/radeon-rx-470

or did he get the specs from a 470M or something?