AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

Page 85 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Status
Not open for further replies.

casiofx

Senior member
Mar 24, 2015
369
36
61
You're doing pretty good investigative tech journalism, i'm subscribed also on your tube channel...the Discard Accelerator is one of the most interesting things about Polaris, its AMDs final solution implemented in hardware to over tesselation "tricks" and other well known fancy mechanics that some closed black box devs are using....besides that it helps tremendously in performance per watt metrics since it lessens the load on the gpu on those complex scenes, very interesting stuff which demands further analysis on its workings, i guess this is the feature "Zlatan" mentioned in one of his posts that Polaris will be very very fast in certain situations.
Most users would probably think the additional fps numbers from the discard accelerator is a bonus, but I think the main aim for AMD is on mobile applications. Having reduced power usage on the polaris equipped laptops would mean better battery life on the same image quality, coupled with the frame rate limiter, users can decide themselves to set whatever fps they need, whether they want 60fps gaming or 30fps battery saving gaming.
 

Sweepr

Diamond Member
May 12, 2006
5,148
1,142
131
Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 will come in two versions

Each of the new cards are going to come in two choices for memory size, for the RX 470 and RX 480 this is a choice between 4GB and 8GB GDDR5, for the smaller RX 460 we’ll get to choose between 4GB and 2GB versions. Memory speed changes a little also with only the RX 480 coming in at 8000MHz while the others look to be clocked at 7000MHz.

http://ggpc.co.nz/posts/good-graphics-amd-rx-480-rx-470-and-rx-460-incoming
 
Feb 19, 2009
10,457
10
76
You're doing pretty good investigative tech journalism, i'm subscribed also on your tube channel...the Discard Accelerator is one of the most interesting things about Polaris, its AMDs final solution implemented in hardware to over tesselation "tricks" and other well known fancy mechanics that some closed black box devs are using....besides that it helps tremendously in performance per watt metrics since it lessens the load on the gpu on those complex scenes, very interesting stuff which demands further analysis on its workings, i guess this is the feature "Zlatan" mentioned in one of his posts that Polaris will be very very fast in certain situations.

If you're referring to AdoredTV, he's got an account here. It's not me I don't do youtube.

Also, Zlatan is a dev and he's much more credible than most forum warriors here. He did in fact say the Discard Accelerator makes Polaris faster than all current GPUs under some situations. I don't infer that's most games, but more special case scenario, like heavy overdraw or over-tessellation in the scene.

It's obvious to me because I play Hitman and I know sometimes staring at a wall doesn't cause FPS to go up, it means it's still rendering all the NPCs on the other side. This is why I called it a "cheat feature", since its not rendering a complex scene. You can say it's working smarter, not harder.
 

DarkKnightDude

Senior member
Mar 10, 2011
981
44
91
1.5+ GHZ on air sounds impressive, but take these with salt of course. And kind of meaningless without performance comparisons.
 

lukart

Member
Oct 27, 2014
172
8
46
1.5+ GHZ on air sounds impressive, but take these with salt of course. And kind of meaningless without performance comparisons.

How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.
 

DDH

Member
May 30, 2015
168
168
111
How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.

Says everything anyone needs to know about your contributions. Welcome to the ignored list



1.5+Ghz would be truly impressive. But have to wait and see if this turns out to be based in reality or not
 

itsmydamnation

Platinum Member
Feb 6, 2011
2,863
3,417
136
How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.

sigh really...

Physical interfaces dont scale with process node, so nowhere near 230mm sq
TDP is not power consumption

At this point its not worth commenting on anything else because you base fundamentals of your entire post are wrong.......
 

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
14,003
3,361
136
How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.

Where are the RX 480 reviews you got this from ??
 

R0H1T

Platinum Member
Jan 12, 2013
2,582
162
106
How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.
Please go back to hibernate
 

casiofx

Senior member
Mar 24, 2015
369
36
61
With the node transition, nvidia able to gain extra 34% clockspeed(in terms of performance ceiling after oc)
If you apply it to amd's 1150mhz gcn, additional 34% is 1541mhz. It's realistic and i had predicted in previous post.
 

Glo.

Diamond Member
Apr 25, 2015
5,761
4,666
136
How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/
This is the problem that AMD actually has. People believe that Nvidia GPUs are faster than they actually are. GTX 1070 is on the level of Titan X. Is it 2 times faster in 3dMark FireStrike Ultra? According to WCCFTech numbers RX 480 scores 3.3k pts. in this benchmark, and Titan X around 4K.

Secondly it looks like power draw is much lower than 150W.

Also: R9 390 and 390X have around 20GFLOPs/watt. RX 480 has 58 GFLOPs/watt. That is 2.9 times higher efficiency. So AMD delivered it.
 

Head1985

Golden Member
Jul 8, 2014
1,866
699
136
If this card can pull GTX980TI performance at 1.5Ghz then it is really new 4870.It will be within 20% of 1070 even after OC, because 1070 cant OC.
 

A_Skywalker

Member
Apr 9, 2016
79
4
71
How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.

What matters is performance in games, Nvidia sell their cards so expensive and also the performance is good, but they dont have async compute. The difference in games wont be so much, especially 480 will be a lot cheaper.

I have bought cards from voodoo to amd and nvidia, but right now I just dont want to support nvidia, they need to release they cannot put so high prices.
 

3DVagabond

Lifer
Aug 10, 2009
11,951
204
106
How does that sound impressive? If the Nvidia clocks upwards of 1.9Ghz?
To me it shows that AMD failed, 150W with half performance of 150W 1070 card, clocks low (1.2 vs 1.6).

To me AMD would be smarter if they had just DIE shrink the 390/X GPU, they could had clocked probably much higher, lets say 1266 (just like 480) and have 20% more performance based on the clock increase alone.
Probably they would have 180W card in their hands with a die size not much bigger than 480 and they could easily compete with 980 ti at 299$ price point, or even 249$.


They would have saved alot of RD money, time to market and wouldnt had dissapointed sending out a card that cannot even have the same performance as its older architecture.

When nvidia comes out with 1060, AMD will look soo bad... I almost feel sorry for the guys, but I don't actually.. They need to fire they marketing team first them then I think they will be fine.

Which is faster?

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/amd-cpu-fd9590fhhkwof,intel-cpu-bx80662i76700k/

The one with the higher clocks?

No single spec in a vacuum tells the whole story. MHz doesn't define performance.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |