AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

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SPBHM

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I would not take this as advantage as console games typically are pretty much optimized from both game-code and settings to target framerate.
The Fallout 4 DLC certainly is a very bad example particularly on PS4 is is a disaster. On XBox one it drops too often below 30fps as well but runs leaps and bounds better than PS4. So i agree on while it is borderline acceptable on XBox One on PS4 it is not.
To make long story short, the common expectation of console gamers is, that the game runs nicely out of the box without tinkering with settings. And this is far more often the case than not.

normally they do a decent job, but I still think it's a good advantage to have options (some console games are improving in this area), a lot of times, you just want to disable that motion blur, that blurry post process AA, change that FOV, or try to get a few FPS more anyway, or better input latency at the cost of tearing/consistency and so on...

like supporting keyboard and mouse and... mods (to some extent), it's not impossible on consoles, it's just that they almost always chose not to do it

for most of the console players it's not important, but I think some people miss that stuff and it makes the PC a whole lot more attractive, even excluding hardware specs superiority.


I'm mostly surprised we get games with consistent performance at all on that landfill-tier CPU.

I'm fairly certain it's responsible for the general lack of 60 FPS games.

consoles have a few good looking stable 60FPS games, like Doom, MGS5 and so on, others that are not totally stable but also close enough...

but, you can give as much power as you want for the consoles CPU, I think they will still add more stuff to a point where 30FPS makes sense again... you can give a 6700K to the Xbox Scorpio, but with their target of 4K resolution you are still likely to see mostly 30FPS games
 

agfkfhahddhdn

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On a side note, stores are getting their stock and from this it's a helluvlot of stock on hand. I wonder how the UK meltdown will affect things if any...

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-shipments-hit-us-stores/

I'd think it'd be far too late to change any of their shipments, but if they had more advanced warning they would probably ship fewer to the UK and wait until the pound stabilizes. Great news on the stock front though.
 

topmounter

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I smell desperation in there air.


On a side note, stores are getting their stock and from this it's a helluvlot of stock on hand. I wonder how the UK meltdown will affect things if any...

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-shipments-hit-us-stores/

It won't, the U.K. doesn't seem interested in invoking Article 50, which means they have 2 years to negotiate exit terms per the Lisbon Treaty. Besides the referendum is non-binding, so lots of options for the "stay" crowd.
 

zinfamous

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Everybody seems to be blaming nVidia for the inflated 1070/1080 prices, but is it not the retailers that are jacking up the prices? Havent heard anyone criticizing them.

supply and demand. supply comes first. nVidia dropped the ball on that, obviously.

unless...prices suddenly--magically--drop to MSRP because *WHOA!* there is a sudden glut of 1070/1080s in stock! Crackerjacks!--How did that happen?!

At that point, nVidia would go from being merely incompetent to evil plotting assholes like DeBeers. No one wants the latter.
 

StrangerGuy

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I smell desperation in there air.


On a side note, stores are getting their stock and from this it's a helluvlot of stock on hand. I wonder how the UK meltdown will affect things if any...

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-shipments-hit-us-stores/

25x more stock than GP104 is still very unlikely to be more than a five digit number on day one. Which is still a peanut quantity given there were 65 million discrete GPUs shipped last year and how incredibly the price and hype Polaris got lately.
 

maddie

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25x more stock than GP104 is still very unlikely to be more than a five digit number on day one. Which is still a peanut quantity given there were 65 million discrete GPUs shipped last year and how incredibly the price and hype Polaris got lately.
You're saying that 1080 & 1070 launched with less than 4000 cards? Wow.

Bring on Polaris. I'm under the impression that stock is shipping continuously so there might not as bad a supply issue as implied.
 

agfkfhahddhdn

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It won't, the U.K. doesn't seem interested in invoking Article 50, which means they have 2 years to negotiate exit terms per the Lisbon Treaty. Besides the referendum is non-binding, so lots of options for the "stay" crowd.

The politics are kind of irrelevant, the decision alone heavily impacted the value of the pound, and companies may adjust their exports given more unfavorable currency translation. Again, though, I think it happened far too close to the launch to make a difference. Many of the 480s that will be available at launch in the UK were probably on British shores prior to the vote.
 

SPBHM

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that's I think slightly closer to a 390X than a 390
but still bellow the 390X, also closer to a 980 than 970.
 

JDG1980

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Got at semiaccurate forums. Rx480 tests. Is "live"

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4633369416?see_lz=1&pn=2

3DMARK graphics score 12450.

The screenshots I'm seeing at that link indicate 12467 points for standard FireStrike (graphics only), though that's so close that it's really nitpicking.

As someone else mentioned, that's just below R9 390X (12948 points for graphics only). If taken at face value, that would seem to imply a lack of any improvement in perf/TFlop since Hawaii. This is why I believe there's a possibility that the current public drivers are basically treating the Polaris card like an existing GCN product, and that we might realistically see ~10% improvement in the release driver which will have the correct optimizations.
 

.vodka

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They're using 16.5.2. Latest beta is 16.6.1, while Polaris driver allegedly is 16.6.2


Just four more days for proper numbers, although performance as it seems to be for $200-230 at around 100w power consumption is awesome. Hawaii requires 250-300w for that result.
 

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AMD have sent reviewers 16.6.2 driver a couple days ago. I wonder why no one uses it for benchmark instead of 16.5.2.
 

JDG1980

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AMD have sent reviewers 16.6.2 driver a couple days ago. I wonder why no one uses it for benchmark instead of 16.5.2.

Probably because most (if not all) of the people leaking benchmarks aren't authorized reviewers, but instead got their cards via supply chain leaks. Thus, they don't have the proper drivers, since those will not be released to the public until launch day.
 

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Probably because most (if not all) of the people leaking benchmarks aren't authorized reviewers, but instead got their cards via supply chain leaks. Thus, they don't have the proper drivers, since those will not be released to the public until launch day.

That's pretty much it. Only people who have signed the NDA have the driver, and they aren't going to leak it. That said, 4% to 390X is pretty close and can definitely be closed by a driver update. Besides, Firestrike benchmark is outdated and not really representative of today's games. (It is of older DX11 games though)
 

biostud

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The screenshots I'm seeing at that link indicate 12467 points for standard FireStrike (graphics only), though that's so close that it's really nitpicking.

As someone else mentioned, that's just below R9 390X (12948 points for graphics only). If taken at face value, that would seem to imply a lack of any improvement in perf/TFlop since Hawaii. This is why I believe there's a possibility that the current public drivers are basically treating the Polaris card like an existing GCN product, and that we might realistically see ~10% improvement in the release driver which will have the correct optimizations.

But the memory bandwidth is much lower on the RX 480, so there might be some significant improvements in that area.
 

sze5003

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Numbers seem good right now but I'm also drunk so I'm not sure. If it's only 4% slower than 390x than it seems like the card I should get.
 

3DVagabond

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I almost bought it last night the gigabyte model. I think I'll just go with the 8gb 480 for now.

Well, more than likely if you want a 1070 it'll be cheaper shortly after the 29th anyway. So, might as well wait for the 480 reviews and be able to make a more informed decision.
 
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