AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[PhonakV30]

Sell 390X for $250 then buy 480x for $300 (max), You save probably up to $100 bill electric or more.250w versus 110w if you play game for 8 hour.don't tell me about undervolting CPU.

 

[Bacon1]

Sell 390X for $250 then buy 480x for $300 (max), You save probably up to $100 bill electric or more.250w versus 110w if you play game for 8 hour.don't tell me about undervolting CPU.

While I'd agree, lets look at the actual cost.

Assuming a (high) rate of 12c per kw/h

.1kw/h (100 watts difference) * .12 * 8 (hours of gaming per day!) = 0.096 or... 9-10 cents per day.

365 * .10 = $36.5 per year for 8 hours of gaming per day, or 2,920 hours of gaming per year.

Something makes me think if you can afford to game for almost 3k hours per year, the $30-40 difference isn't going to be an issue

 

[IntelUser2000]

Sell 390X for $250 then buy 480x for $300 (max), You save probably up to $100 bill electric or more.250w versus 110w if you play game for 8 hour.don't tell me about undervolting CPU.

If it performs like 390X with reference, 480X is a better value, just taking costs into account. Pre-order Newegg 8GB versions are $240. Slightly better ones are at $250. $300 ones are top end ones. You may not need full $300 to get the best card, maybe $270.

So you get similar performance at lower cost with new features, or pay just $50 more for better performance. Seems like a good deal either way.

It looks like we went from an age where we get huge improvements with next gen, but makes previous ones worthless, to a minimal improvement, but an excellent resale value with predecessor allowing upgrading to a new one for miniscule amount.

Practically, its not worth an upgrade over 390X. Let's talk in terms of electricity for regular folks.

100W difference x 0.12c/KWH x 5 hours/day x 365 days/year x 3 years = $66

If you are going out of your way to save that little though. Well, the best solution is to give up the hobby and keep your computer for 7, 10, 15 years or until it breaks down and get an iGPU one when that fails.

 

[trane]

If it performs like 390X with reference, 480X is a better value, just taking costs into account. Pre-order Newegg 8GB versions are $240. Slightly better ones are at $250. $300 ones are top end ones. You may not need full $300 to get the best card, maybe $270.

So you get similar performance at lower cost with new features, or pay just $50 more for better performance. Seems like a good deal either way.

It looks like we went from an age where we get huge improvements with next gen, but makes previous ones worthless, to a minimal improvement, but an excellent resale value with predecessor allowing upgrading to a new one for miniscule amount.

Practically, its not worth an upgrade over 390X. Let's talk in terms of electricity for regular folks.

100W difference x 0.12c/KWH x 5 hours/day x 365 days/year x 3 years = $66

Polaris 10 is by all means a huge improvement. Compare 480 to a 380 or 380X.

390X successor comes with Vega. Expect similar gains at that market segment too.

 

[flopper]

Polaris 10 is by all means a huge improvement. Compare 480 to a 380 or 380X.

390X successor comes with Vega. Expect similar gains at that market segment too.

Many are so confused by that customer target.
Load of low end owners that now can enjoy the superiority with amd and dx12 when they upgrade to the 400 series line.

 

[Silverforce11]

It looks like we went from an age where we get huge improvements with next gen, but makes previous ones worthless, to a minimal improvement, but an excellent resale value with predecessor allowing upgrading to a new one for miniscule amount.

Practically, its not worth an upgrade over 390X. Let's talk in terms of electricity for regular folks.

100W difference x 0.12c/KWH x 5 hours/day x 365 days/year x 3 years = $66

If you are going out of your way to save that little though. Well, the best solution is to give up the hobby and keep your computer for 7, 10, 15 years or until it breaks down and get an iGPU one when that fails.

But it isn't a 390X replacement. It's a 380/X replacement, that happens to give higher tier performance at a cheaper price.

With a node jump, you get 1 tier higher performance at the same price, if things align and turn out well.

ie. Mainstream price gets Mid-range performance. Mid-range price gets High-end performance and so on.

Polaris 10 is a mainstream chip. If it delivers gtx 980 and 390X performance, that's meeting the standard of GPU history. Both of these cards only a few months ago were $499 and $399 respectively. It's only been since Nano was dropped to $499 that the GTX 980 fell in price in the USA.

In my neck of the woods, a GTX 980 has been ~$749 AUD. GTX 960, AMD 380/X are only $249 to $329. To give you a perspective. If the RX 480 slots in at around the same price the 380X was, it would literally be less than HALF the price of a gtx 980 (1070 are also $779 AUD).

So I don't think people should be talking about how the gains from next-gen are minimal.

The gains are spectacular in terms of perf/$. If you want more performance, you have the 1070 and 1080 to pick from for the current time. But mainstream will see a huge performance leap.

 

[Silverforce11]

https://www.twitch.tv/sapphirepr/v/74687671
"So, a 390, 390x, fury, fury x, 980, 980ti is a sidegrade to a 480". heh 1:23.50 mark
Now, let's see how many take that comment and don't listen to his explanation? (hint, 480 is NOT a enthusiast card!)

"Pcgamer recommendations, looks like nvidia bought a commercial spot!"

Lots of other stuff.. highly recommend watching the whole thing if you got the time...

I don't know about 390, but if you compare 390X to Fury, it's only ~11% gap at 1440p. To Fury X and 980Ti, it's only ~20% gap.

These GPUs are actually quite close in terms of performance. If I had a 390X, I wouldn't upgrade to Fury X/980Ti.

Unless I can make a profit upgrading or side-grading. It's nice to sell 290X for $250 USD equiv, slot in 1 or 2 RX 480

 

[Thala]

Same way that any compression algorithm works. You just write a software program that converts the raw data to a compressed representation. You can download programs that convert raw audio to MP3 or some other compressed format. Some algorithm could conceivably work well enough that you could program the shaders to implement it, but I don't know how easy that is in reality. I suspect that it isn't something a GPU would be good at, but I honestly don't know for sure.

Ok. You apparently did not grasp my argument. Lets just assume it is trivial to be implement in the shaders. The data flow is as follows:

shader->ROPs<->memory interface<->memory.

If you now output a compressed format of color data to the ROPs, it will not work, because frankly the ROPs algorithms will not work anymore.
Ergo it is not implementable in SW.

 

[Thala]

Practically, its not worth an upgrade over 390X. Let's talk in terms of electricity for regular folks.

100W difference x 0.12c/KWH x 5 hours/day x 365 days/year x 3 years = $66

Just wow. I assume with "regular folks" you mean folks in the US. Did it ever came to your attention that there are people outside US? They are not considered regular? In Germany for instance you are looking easily at 25c/kWh.

 

[sze5003]

All this talk of drivers:

DP -> DVI adapter included.

16.20 is what AMD used in their Hitman benchmark. Then they went derp mode and used 16.1 (January driver) for other stuff. Nobody knows why.

But we shall soon find out, only a few days to go... then this hype train either arrives gently, crash & derail or to the moon. We can all hop aboard for the Vega & GP106/102 train afterwards!

Nice glad they include the adapter even though I have one already.

It may be strange but I've had both nvidia and amd cards and I've never had driver issues. I always used driver cleaner, uninstalled everything and reinstalled newest drivers.

 

[TrantaLocked]

And where are you pulling those numbers from?

This smacks of a smear campaign spreading FUD.

If you have actual evidence from trusted sources (which we will find out on the 29th), that is one thing, but "rumors" from "sources" is pure BS.

I suppose when those reviews are out, and they don't find any issues, something else must be made up.

The 6 was a hypothetical. I'm not even saying the drivers are for sure unstable, but 3 reports if they are legit is a lot in this context.

 

[Erenhardt]

Just wow. I assume with "regular folks" you mean folks in the US. Did it ever came to your attention that there are people outside US? They are not considered regular? In Germany for instance you are looking easily at 25c/kWh.

Nope, you are not.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/

with the average close to 10c/kWh.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Nope, you are not.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/

with the average close to 10c/kWh.

That's without tax.

 

[Thala]

Nope, you are not.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...ted-countries/

with the average close to 10c/kWh.

These are not household prices and do not include VAT. I urge you to check your bill (assuming you are from Poland) if you really get charged just 8(US)C per kWh.

Here you can see typical household prices for 2014, big difference!

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Half-yearly_electricity_and_gas_prices,_second_half_of_year,_2012%E2%80%9314_(EUR_per_kWh)_YB15.png

 

[mohit9206]

So reviews of RX480 will be hitting on Wednesday? Will we get a full detailed review from Anandtech or will they go lazy again? And what about RX460 and 470 reviews?Will they also hit on 29th or maybe later?

 

[beginner99]

Nope, you are not.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/

with the average close to 10c/kWh.

without tax. And here where I live (not in that list) they also charge you for using the power grid (that cost is actually higher than power cost). Also per kwh. Eg. an additional tax.You have to add the 2 values together to get the real amount you pay per kwh. Maybe Germany also has something similar.

Added together thats here pretty much 25c/kwh, 30c/kwh if you choose "green power mix".

 

[ShintaiDK]

Nope, you are not.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/

with the average close to 10c/kWh.

Awfully wrong.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Electricity_price_statistics

10 EUR Cents = 11 USD Cents.

Even in terms of the US, it depends a lot on the state:

 

[Erenhardt]

currently less than 14c with VAT including all per kWh costs.

 

[frozentundra123456]

If it performs like 390X with reference, 480X is a better value, just taking costs into account. Pre-order Newegg 8GB versions are $240. Slightly better ones are at $250. $300 ones are top end ones. You may not need full $300 to get the best card, maybe $270.

So you get similar performance at lower cost with new features, or pay just $50 more for better performance. Seems like a good deal either way.

It looks like we went from an age where we get huge improvements with next gen, but makes previous ones worthless, to a minimal improvement, but an excellent resale value with predecessor allowing upgrading to a new one for miniscule amount.

Practically, its not worth an upgrade over 390X. Let's talk in terms of electricity for regular folks.

100W difference x 0.12c/KWH x 5 hours/day x 365 days/year x 3 years = $66

If you are going out of your way to save that little though. Well, the best solution is to give up the hobby and keep your computer for 7, 10, 15 years or until it breaks down and get an iGPU one when that fails.

This argument make no sense at all. I never understand those who make a huge deal about the price of a card or cpu and ignore the power cost. Why *not* save 60.00 no matter how much you can afford to spend?

 

[maddie]

This argument make no sense at all. I never understand those who make a huge deal about the price of a card or cpu and ignore the power cost. Why *not* save 60.00 no matter how much you can afford to spend?

I don't think that's the argument here.

If two cards are equal in price and performance, of course you would want and believe the lower power one was a better choice.

The problem is when they differ in price and performance. That is when regional differences in power come into the calculation of which is the superior card.

Also front end versus recurring cost. Buying versus renting. Paying with cash versus credit plus interest.

 

[showb1z]

currently less than 14c with VAT including all per kWh costs.

With everything included currently paying 24,7 &#8364;c/kWh .
So if I can drop this 390 for a decent price I'm getting in on that 480 action. Mostly because buying new GPU's is fun though.

 

[A_Skywalker]

There are some benchmarks out for 480, right?
How much slower is it IN GAMES compared to ftx 1070?

 

[sze5003]

There are some benchmarks out for 480, right?
How much slower is it IN GAMES compared to ftx 1070?

They aren't official benchmarks, wait until Wednesday.

 

[Mopetar]

Ok. You apparently did not grasp my argument. Lets just assume it is trivial to be implement in the shaders. The data flow is as follows:

shader->ROPs<->memory interface<->memory.

If you now output a compressed format of color data to the ROPs, it will not work, because frankly the ROPs algorithms will not work anymore.
Ergo it is not implementable in SW.

Why would you send compressed data to be processed by the ROPs? You'd just send it back to memory. Not everything that gets run through the SPs has to be rendered to the screen.

A software implementation just means that you need the SPs to decompress the data before they operate on it normally as though it had just come from memory. I'm just not sure that compression algorithms are parallel enough or SPs flexible enough to do the decompression efficiently, which is likely why its implemented in hardware.

 

[twjr]

Nope, you are not.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/

with the average close to 10c/kWh.

No idea where they are getting the numbers for Australia from. With the sole provider of power in Western Australia I pay AUD 0.257/kWh + AUD 0.472/day line charge. Even factoring in exchange rate and GST there is no way it is close to 8.17c