AMD price cuts

[antef]

HD 7950(1150 mhz) vs GTX 660 Ti(1346 mhz) .

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013...oc_gtx_760_overclocking_review/5#.UkcU-H_3x8E

15% faster in Crysis 3 High settings 4x SMAA, 10% faster in Farcry 3 Ultra 4X MSAA, 20+% faster in Tombraider

3GB VRAM. better suited for next gen games like BF4. and then comes the added advantage of Mantle in BF4 and other Frostbite 3 titles.

the decision is quite easy. at average overclocks HD 7950(1.15 ghz) is a GTX 670(1.25 ghz) competitor.

PCS+ HD 7950 has one of the quietest coolers. unlocked voltage. at USD 210 (180 after MIR) its a amazing deal.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/35033-powercolor-radeon-hd-7950-pcs/?page=12
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_7950_PCS_Plus/26.html
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/powercolor_pcs_hd_7950_review,9.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/powercolor_radeon_hd_7950_pcs_review,9.html

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131458

I don't OC though, and today's perf is extremely close according to those graphs. So really I would only be doing it for the assumption that future games will faster on the 7950 due to Mantle, next gen consoles, and the 3 GB memory. It's a gamble, but it might make sense, not sure.

Also regarding the PowerColor, it's a little concerning that it's been out almost two years and has only 17 reviews on Newegg and two reviews on Amazon.

 

[futurefields]

I don't OC though,

Ooof! It's a shame not to overclock AMD GPU's! It's like buying a 2500k and not overclocking it!

 

[Mastercommander]

Also regarding the PowerColor, it's a little concerning that it's been out almost two years and has only 17 reviews on Newegg and two reviews on Amazon.

Just bad marketing. Would you have heard of it if you hadn't come to this forum?

A little concerning to see the insight into an NV buyer's reasoning, though I have an NV card myself

 

[Mastercommander]

If AMD fixed Crossfire frame pacing I would be an owner

 

[Scarier]

So tempted to do something about these new price changes, but I have to wait it out and see what comes out in the next few weeks.

I have about $450 to spend.

 

[thilanliyan]

If AMD fixed Crossfire frame pacing I would be an owner

Wasn't it mostly fixed in one of the latest drivers?

 

[taq8ojh]

If 7970 gets to $150 before end of the year, I'd grab one. Otherwise wait for 290 non-X.

 

[antef]

Ooof! It's a shame not to overclock AMD GPU's! It's like buying a 2500k and not overclocking it!

I don't OC my 2500k right now, but not saying I never will. I just don't see the point when I have no need for higher performance. If OCing in a year or two helps me extend the useful life of it, then I certainly will. So same goes with the 7950.

Just bad marketing. Would you have heard of it if you hadn't come to this forum?

A little concerning to see the insight into an NV buyer's reasoning, though I have an NV card myself

Yeah I'm not saying it's a bad card, just wondering why it's not more popular if it's so good and quiet. That isn't any indication of why I buy one vs. another, though, I'm not a fanboy of either, I just buy whatever's best at the time. I bought the 660 Ti because at the time it had more consistent performance, features I was interested in like FXAA, and seemingly better drivers and lower TDP. Today I'm considering the 7950 based on things like Mantle and the next gen consoles. I could wait and see how it pans out, and maybe buy an R9 card next year if Mantle proves worth it, but I'm afraid the cost-to-value ratio on those will be quite poor. Everything but the 290X just seems like a rebadge at a higher price point.

 

[Teizo]

I don't know if Nvidia is really over charging like some seem to be so adamant to always point out as much as AMD is just low balling. That is how they got their hands on both consoles. They desperately need the market share because their CPU's just don't match up against Intel and the only place they are really competitive is the GPU scene.

Anyway, I'm not taking Nvidia's side here because I do think the 770 and 780 are priced about $50 higher than they should be, but just because AMD is trying to clear inventory for a new line up doesn't mean Nvidia is all of a sudden price gouging. When Maxwell comes out, there will be good deals on 600 and 700 series GeForce products like always. When I bought these two 760's for $250 each, AMD's 7950's were selling around $300 bucks.

 

[Leyawiin]

Nvidia's low end 600 series are very overpriced as well. $150+ for a 2GB version of the GTX 650 Ti (non-Boost)? $125-150 for a GTX 650 2GB? Yeah, they're out of reason compared to AMD's offerings from top to bottom right now.

 

[Cloudfire777]

7990 for $599.

So what is the point in buying R9 290X since it is rumored to cost the same?

Nvidia's low end 600 series are very overpriced as well. $150+ for a 2GB version of the GTX 650 Ti (non-Boost)? $125-150 for a GTX 650 2GB? Yeah, they're out of reason compared to AMD's offerings from top to bottom right now.

They are not overpriced if people still buy them

 

[tviceman]

AMD prices are ridiculous right now. Nvidia is absolutely retarded not responding; their arrogance is going to bite them in the a$s big time.

 

[tviceman]

7990 for $599.

So what is the point in buying R9 290X since it is rumored to cost the same?





They are not overpriced if people still buy them

The 7990 is not quite, guzzles gallons of gas, and is hit-or-miss for obtaining full performance.

 

[Cloudfire777]

The 7990 is not quite, guzzles gallons of gas, and is hit-or-miss for obtaining full performance.

As long as the PSU can take it, why bother.

Also, Im pretty sure 7990 will be more powerful than 290X.

Why are they trying to compete against themselves?

 

[geokilla]

Damn... I have a $210 Newegg Canada gift card to spend. Time to buy this? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814125414 or http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414

 

[Anarchist420]

Because of NV's viral marketing and their fans paying premiums due to perception that NV is better, NV has no desire to lower prices.

I don't really like nvidia all that much either and they do keep trying to emulate AMD by taking end-user choices away, but they still have better filtering quality (even with negative LOD bias clamp not working in D3D and even with application controlled mipmapping) and their AA hacks are excellent. The biggest strike against AMD, IMO, is that CV Lords of Shadow is a Gaming Evolved title and forcing AA works fine with nvidia but yields severe graphics corruption on AMD products.

The water simulation in Just Cause 2 was also pretty damn good.

 

[Attic]

If I didn't have a GTX 670 already I'd snap that up in a second. Hard to believe that's what I paid for a reference GTX 460 1GB in 2010. Its not so much comparing an old card to a new one, the performance category is so much cheaper at the moment. A GTX 460 back then would be the equivalent of an HD 7850 today. For the price category of 2010 you get two steps higher in 2013 (if that makes any sense!).

Yea, that's pretty good perspective.

Also both the 460 and the 7950 snagged huge gains from great OC'ing potential. I agree that between the two that for it's time the 7950 is a better deal at this point going for 180 after rebate. The three free games are pretty solid.

I'm really trying to talk myself into it, but reality is can still just squeeze by on my 5770. I may gamble that mantle will give the 7950 enough boost to last 3 solid years at 1080P in the face of new graphics boosts related to new consoles pushing graphics forward.

 

[Teizo]

I may gamble that mantle will give the 7950 enough boost to last 3 solid years at 1080P in the face of new graphics boosts related to new consoles pushing graphics forward.

Just curious, does the 7950 have CGN Architecture? Unless I mistaken...Mantle is only going to give CGN Architecture a boost.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Cant be fun for AMD to continual be outsold 2:1 either.

AMD actually increased its discrete GPU market share from Q1 to Q2 in 2013 (albeit a decline from Q2 2012).

Including APUs:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32237-amd-grabs-more-gpu-market-share

 

[96Firebird]

Am I missing something? The cheapest 7970GHz is $350 on Newegg, did the cheaper ones sell out?

 

[Attic]

Just curious, does the 7950 have CGN Architecture? Unless I mistaken...Mantle is only going to give CGN Architecture a boost.

I believe so. Can anybody else confirm one way or another?

 

[Silverforce11]

I have the PCS+ 7950, I can attest its awesome quiet in gaming, much more than this 670..

Also OC crazy good.

 

[Roland00Address]

Just curious, does the 7950 have CGN Architecture? Unless I mistaken...Mantle is only going to give CGN Architecture a boost.

Yes the 7950 is GCN version 1.0

The newest card on the market is the 7790 is GCN version 1.1. Note GCN version 1.1 is the anandtech name, the architecture is the same but there are some minor tweaks on how they do HSA and Powertune. It is the anandtech name for AMD doesn't want to talk about what they change with the 7790 architecture vs the rest of the GCN architecture in the other 7700 to 7900 series.

We don't know what version of GCN (and what they change) is going to happen with the R9 290X

The consoles are based off Jaguar and are going to be GCN 1 or 1.1.

 

[antef]

How many people are holding out for the 280X? If it really performs like a 7970 GHz, which itself performs like a GTX 770, isn't that pretty good for $299? (I say "pretty good" despite the extreme disappointment of only getting rebadges after products have been out for 2 years...but it is what it is because AMD/NV are keeping in step with each other). I'm not a fan of the power consumption and needing 2x8-pin connectors though.

 

[Termie]

Am I missing something? The cheapest 7970GHz is $350 on Newegg, did the cheaper ones sell out?

The GHz versions have never been much cheaper than that. Maybe the Sapphire hit $330 at one point, but it's the standard 7970s that are on sale.

How many people are holding out for the 280X? If it really performs like a 7970 GHz, which itself performs like a GTX 770, isn't that pretty good for $299? (I say "pretty good" despite the extreme disappointment of only getting rebadges after products have been out for 2 years...but it is what it is because AMD/NV are keeping in step with each other). I'm not a fan of the power consumption and needing 2x8-pin connectors though.

You can already get 280x performance from an HD7970 for $280, so waiting won't get you much.