AMD Price Cuts

[Phynaz]

Yay, my thread about price cuts gets turned into the usual AMD vs Intel bash thread by the usual people.

Might as well have it locked.

 

[positivedoppler]

Yay, my thread about price cuts gets turned into the usual AMD vs Intel bash thread by the usual people.

Might as well have it locked.

I'm not sure what is behind the madness, but yeah we can't have an AMD thread ever without a few regulars who. insist on popping in to argue how an Intel/Nvidia solution is better. Maybe AMD wronged them horribly in a previouse life

 

[Roland00Address]

I am thinking we should have a thread dedicated to AMD vs Intel vs Nvidia. Whenever the conversation starts sounding like that they are just pointed to that thread and leave the topic to the original topic?

Good Idea? Bad Idea?

 

[Yuriman]

Personally, I don't see a problem with it. Hardware doesn't exist in a vacuum so if prices drop, it's only really relevant if you're comparing it to what else you can buy.

 

[monstercameron]

I am thinking we should have a thread dedicated to AMD vs Intel vs Nvidia. Whenever the conversation starts sounding like that they are just pointed to that thread and leave the topic to the original topic?

Good Idea? Bad Idea?

el fenix suggested as much. but idk if that would stop the polution in other threads.

 

[positivedoppler]

I am thinking we should have a thread dedicated to AMD vs Intel vs Nvidia. Whenever the conversation starts sounding like that they are just pointed to that thread and leave the topic to the original topic?

Good Idea? Bad Idea?

Good idea. It does get pretty old that a few elite posters keeps popping into any AMD thread and somehow steer the conversation into "yeah but if you spend an extra X amount of dollar for an Intel XX Processor and an Nvidia XXX dGPU, you will have so much more performance"

It's absolutely maddening.

AMD announces new FX line.
"yeah but if you spend an extra X amount of dollar for an Intel XX Processor and an Nvidia XXX dGPU, you will have so much more performance"


AMD cuts prices on APU
"yeah but if you spend an extra X amount of dollar for an Intel XX Processor and an Nvidia XXX dGPU, you will have so much more performance"


AMD business
"yeah but if you spend an extra X amount of dollar for an Intel XX Processor and an Nvidia XXX dGPU, you will have so much more performance"


AMD new CEO
"yeah but if you spend an extra X amount of dollar for an Intel XX CEO and an Nvidia XXX dCEO, you will have so much more performance"

 

[positivedoppler]

el fenix suggested as much. but idk if that would stop the polution in other threads.

Maybe a Intel employs a few people across the internet to conduct anti AMD marketing for them and it's their job...

 

[bullzz]

i generally see threads abt intel and AMD start to get "polluted" after 4 pages. may be we can have a restriction on number of posts?

 

[kawi6rr]

Maybe a Intel employs a few people across the internet to conduct anti AMD marketing for them and it's their job...

Was thinking the same thing or maybe the usual suspects on this forum were fired by AMD for incompetence and just can't get over it.

If you don't like AMD then don't buy their products but the bashing sure does get old.

 

[AtenRa]

At least stop using your own numbers that you posted on that shill site. It would give you a chance for the numbers to actually be taken serious rather than simply dismissed.

Ill tell you what,

You go and buy a couple of APUs like A10-7850K and FM2+ motherboard. Then go and spend hours running the same benchmarks i use on my reviews.
If you find my numbers to be wrong, then i will stop posting them here. Until then, you doint even have the right to question my benchmarks, especially using laughable excuses.

 

[Gikaseixas]

...and drives potential new posters away with all this bickering. This consistent behavior just shows how biased some users here are.

I'm guilty of getting involved sometimes but i do because it's irritating and so many lies are thrown out here that it's clear with "what intentions" they post in AMD related thread. Worst, this is clear thread derailing because the subject is not even performance, Intel or dedicated GPUs, its PRICE CUTS

I think AMD made the right move in lowering the APU line simply because it was no match to the i5 (7850k ridiculous launch price). Other's below $100 now make things more exciting as we have many budget choices now.

 

[Gikaseixas]

i generally see threads abt intel and AMD start to get "polluted" after 4 pages. may be we can have a restriction on number of posts?

I agree but it's worse in AMD related threads. You'll never see a Haswell thread being trolled by the AMD crowd but the same cannot be said of the Intel one.

 

[positivedoppler]

I agree but it's worse in AMD related threads. You'll never see a Haswell thread being trolled by the AMD crowd but the same cannot be said of the Intel one.

Ive noticed that it not just here. Its in every single hardware site all over the web whenever the word AMD is mentioned. I really do wonder if Intel pay these people to propagate this type of behavior to create the impression that all Intel product are premium products while AMD is a third world chinese knockoff

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Well, the recent price cuts are pretty impressive.
Now that the A8-7600 is selling for $95 with free shipping....

https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...35.5&ei=8eZHVJ7LO9eQNpybgaAM&ved=0CJYEEKYrMAA

Good luck building a CPU / Dedicated Video Card setup that can game at that level of performance for a total of $95..... With this new price, it's a lot like buying an Athlon X4 and getting the GPU for free.

Sure you can buy a G3258 for $70, but what kind of Video Card do you get for $25???? A Geforce 8400? Those things can barely play movies.....

 

[cbn]

Well, the recent price cuts are pretty impressive.
Now that the A8-7600 is selling for $95 with free shipping....

https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...35.5&ei=8eZHVJ7LO9eQNpybgaAM&ved=0CJYEEKYrMAA

Good luck building a CPU / Dedicated Video Card setup that can game at that level of performance for a total of $95..... With this new price, it's a lot like buying an Athlon X4 and getting the GPU for free.

Sure you can buy a G3258 for $70, but what kind of Video Card do you get for $25???? A Geforce 8400? Those things can barely play movies.....

Usually G3258 goes for less than $70 and can be found quite often in motherboard value bundles (which effectively reduces its price even further).

We'll have to see if the same becomes true of A8-7600.

 

[crashtech]

I'd probably stick to unlocked SKUs myself.

Also speaking for myself, I have no affiliation with either AMD or Intel. Brand loyalty is for chumps, imo. I'm strictly about the performance numbers, and any disagreement I may have with anyone here is based solely on the interpretation of the performance data and that's it. Sweeping accusations in regards to anyone who might not favor so-and-so's favorite brand of CPU really have no place here.

 

[DrMrLordX]

FX8320 and 8320E MSRP from September 2014 is $146,99 according to AMD, Newegg has them at $149,99.

FX8370E MSRP is $199,99, Newegg has it at $194,99.

So whats the problem ???

edit: Newegg prices on the high-end SKUs (9370 and 9590) are way higher than MSRP.

The problem is this:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di..._Other_FX_Processors_New_Prices_Revealed.html

Now, that was a leak, and I've since found news articles published *after* the price cut showing different MSRPs, though the MSRP of the 8320 was already $149 before September 1st (and often selling for less than that). Meaning, the problem is either:

a). We didn't get the price cuts on the 8320 and 8350 in accordance with the leaks or
b). There just wasn't a price cut on those CPUs at all.

Also, the base 8370 was supposed to come in at $189 along with the 8370E, not $199. The 8320E was supposed to come in at $139, not $149.

Now I'll reiterate what I've said elsewhere: the 8310 is a good deal, MSRPs be damned. But that price cut on September 1st didn't turn out the way the leakers said it would, and it was sort of a let down. The only notable movement in price was on the 9370 and 9590. You can actually get a 9370 for less than $200, which is pretty wild.

edit: wrt the a8-7600 and unlocked SKUs

The 7600 can probably be overclocked, at least modestly, depending on your board. I'm fairly certain the Asus A88x-Plus can hit 110-111 mhz bclk without resorting to IDE mode for the SATA controller (in IDE mode, I'm told that a few speeds higher than 111, such as 124 and 129, are possible on that board). Assuming you need AHCI mode, you can lock in the max turbo multi for 65w TDP mode and run the bclk up to maybe 110 mhz, producing a final clockspeed just shy of 4.2 ghz. That's only 300 mhz away from the usual maximum clockspeed for Kaveri. Big downside here is that you're still dealing with a slow iGPU compared to the 900-1000mhz+ iGPU speeds that people routinely hit using the 7700k and 7850k.

If you don't need AHCI mode, then bclks of 124 and 129 mhz open up all kinds of overclocking opportunities for the CPU and iGPU. Peak iGPU speed would be ~930 mhz, which isn't too bad at all. Obviously you will not be able to run that CPU at 4.9 ghz short of using phase/dice/ln2.

For ~$40 more, you can just get the 7700k and avoid the bclk headaches.

 

[cbn]

With this new price, it's a lot like buying an Athlon X4 and getting the GPU for free.

The x4 860K is an unlocked processor whose clockspeed we know won't be affected by GPU loads. Its stock clocks are also higher than the A8-7600.

If the A8-7600 (a locked processor) throttles under GPU load like the A10-7850K and A10-7700K, this will increase the cpu gap between it and the Athlon x4 860K even further.

 

[crashtech]

Is that still the case under a decent budget air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo?

 

[Blue_Max]

This sure changes things... the $50-ish difference makes it very tempting to build a portable A10 APU light gaming machine in the smallest ITX design possible.

 

[cbn]

Is that still the case under a decent budget air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo?

There is a software fix (hopefully someone will chime in with the exact details) for the A10s that will disable cpu throttling, but AFAIK it requires a beefier cooler.

Unfortunately the aftermarket cooler is at best $20 cost adder (Hyper 212 plus on sale) and at worst a $30 (or more) cost adder. Not only that but adding the bulky cooler negates the slim form factor advantage of A10 APUs. Between this form factor disadvantage and the added cost, I think the x4 860K + dGPU is the better deal.

 

[Erenhardt]

A $70-$80 X4 750K / G3258 + $75 7750 for extremely light games ($145-$155) isn't remotely "$100 more" than a $150 7700K.



Likewise, $110 FX6300 / i3-4150 + $95 7770 ($205) vs $180 7850K is barely $25 ($20 once $5 high-speed RAM premium is taken into account and that turns into $0 for a 7750)...

If people want an APU - good for them, but it's hardly some "OMG, I just saved $150 not buying a GFX card" thing that some like to make out when the GFX card selected is even remotely in the same low-end class which for a 7850K isn't even a $75 7750 even when OC'd... :whiste:

I guess you missed $150 7850k + mobo bundles right after kaveri release.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1805396
I expected no less from you than go with release msrp for kaveri and blackfriday pricing for competing parts.

Again. When I was assembling my system earlier this year, 2400MHz memory was cheaper than 1600 because of high 1600 Mhz demand. I was like WTF?! Why are these people paying $100 for 1600MHz kits if you can get 2400MHz for $85? Just buy cheaper and faster memory, like I did.

Cheapest prices from PCPP, right now:
1x8GB DDR3-1600 CAS 9: $59.99
2x4GB DR3-2400 CAS 11: $72.99

Myth, indeed. Often, the spread is larger, as 2133MHz-2400Mhz varies in price at any point in time much more than 1600MHz. It's not huge, or anything, but that's effectively a discount for a video card, if comparing the two. So, a R7 260 v. IGP would reasonably be ~$90 v. ~$100, FI.

Cheapest 8GB i see is going for $69,99 which is not much cheaper than $71 2x4 GB 2133 MHz
Going single channel is the same as downclocking your HT speed. You leave performance at the table for no reason. Its nothing new that games like higher clocked memory even if you have dgpu.

 

[cbn]

Overall, from I gather in this thread:

1.) Even though the A10s have dropped in price, their value remains questionable.

2.) The Athlon x4 860K plus discrete GPU still remains the best choice for users having a typical gamer case.

3. There is low interest in the cheap dual core APUs. (re: they are not powerful enough to play the latest games)

I think #3 can be partially fixed by AMD encouraging the mobo makers to build some cheaper (eg, A58) FM2+ Mini-ITX boards. So even if the APU can't play the latest games at least it has a spot in the living room for the casual games.

 

[crashtech]

Mini-ITX will always carry a price premium, it seems, though there isn't ample justification for such pricing other than people are keen on SFF right now. But an SFF HTPC is a good place for an APU, imo.

 

[Cerb]

Cheapest 8GB i see is going for $69,99 which is not much cheaper than $71 2x4 GB 2133 MHz

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/memor...133,302400,302600,302666,302800,302933,303000

Going single channel is the same as downclocking your HT speed. You leave performance at the table for no reason. Its nothing new that games like higher clocked memory even if you have dgpu.

Can this be shown (and by, "shown," I don't mean 3% in a single benchmark, and <1% in the rest)? I've not seen it, instead basically no gains with a [single] dGPU, for at least a decade, now, in games. It would be new for games to like faster than 1600@9 by more than 0-2% (more than made up for elsewhere, even by as little as a different factory-OC GPU model).

Example:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bulldozer-ddr3-overclocking,3209-11.html