Steamroller is not a refresh, it's a new architecture.In 2012, AMD released their Piledriver architecture, which is what is in all currently-for-sale AMD socket AM3+ CPUs (4, 6 and 8 core, 32nm).
In 2013, AMD released a refresh to Piledriver called Steamroller, which is what is in their current FM2+ APUs (4 cores only, 28nm).
Piledriver has recieved a number of smaller revisions during the years to offer better performance and less leakage. The last one was in 2014, "King Vishera" (according to The Stilt).Piledriver (AM3+, 32nm) has slowly been reduced in price as Intel has released new CPUs, but has not been refreshed.
Not lately. Intel's track record has actually been very crappy. 14 nm delays, Broadwell delays, 10 nm Cannonlake delays, Skylake shortage leading to actual delays, Haswell Refresh and KabyLake stopgap solutions introduced in panic, ... the list goes on.
Unfortunately, we don't even have a vague idea of what performance will be like.
If "40% higher IPC than current AMD Excavator core" is true, Zen will still be slower than Sandy Bridge per clock. I'm hoping it's more than 40%.
There is no delay announced, so 2017 is pure FUD/speculation from your part.
Anyway, it's quite obvious you are just trolling and looking for a meaningless fight as usual, so I'll leave it at this.
Sandy Bridge level performance won't necessarily be a bad thing though, especially given 8 cores / 16 threads. It would definitely make AMD a viable option again depending upon what kind of workload you are wanting it for. I know I'd personally take a hypothetical 8 core SB-E over a 6700K any day of the week.
Sandy Bridge level performance won't necessarily be a bad thing though, especially given 8 cores / 16 threads. It would definitely make AMD a viable option again depending upon what kind of workload you are wanting it for. I know I'd personally take a hypothetical 8 core SB-E over a 6700K any day of the week.
Sure thing Mr. Skylake is H2 2016.
Looked in the mirror?
While true, it puts them squarely back where they were when Piledriver came out: More cores, lower IPC.
Some food for thought:
Sorry, but Intel track record is *much* better than AMD. I don't think you really want to discuss this, but if you do, I would be happy to bring every single AMD roadmap since 2008, then we can compare against Intel's and see which company has the biggest deviation.
Now imagine an 8 core version of the 2600K in those charts instead of a 4 core one. I'm not saying it would make the most idea gaming cpu but it would destroy the 6700K in most of those benches. This of course is assuming it is at Sandy Bridge levels of performance. It would still be in a difficult price niche though, just as the 6700K is, I'd rather spend just a tiny bit more and get the 5820K.
True, but the 8350 performed just fine against a 2600K in multithreaded things, aside from the 2600K's absurd overclocking potential. The issue was that Intel's chips were in the range of 40%(ish) faster in single-threaded stuff, and murdered AMD's chips in anything that couldn't fully utilize all of those threads. Yes, the software landscape has changed, but I suspect we're going to be talking about 8 threads vs 16, rather than 4 vs 8. It strikes me as highly unlikely that AMD will price their 8c/16t Zen chip against Intel's quads, if they can avoid it, but they may not have a choice.
It strikes me as highly unlikely that AMD will price their 8c/16t Zen chip against Intel's quads, if they can avoid it, but they may not have a choice.
Yeah, right.... I've seriously lost track of how many paper launches/delays Intel is guilty of. They are just as bad at missing dates to anyone with actual objectivity. Actually, if you add up all the paper launches and delays, Intel is probably worse than AMD.
ZEN will allow AMD to only use Quad Core 8 Threads APUs against the mainstream Intel platforms like Socket 1151.
Those 8 Core 16 Threads CPUs will compete against Intel HEAD platform.
The added feature this time around will be the common socket AM4 for both APUs and CPUs.
If 4c/8t Zen is only 40% faster than Excavator...
... then it will not compete with Skylake, much less Kaby Lake or Cannonlake. AMD will need more than 40% over their current uarch to compete with the same number of cores/threads. Because of this, I'm hoping the 40% figure is incorrect.
Here we're seeing a Skylake i5 as being more than twice as fast as Kaveri. 40% more is simply not enough.
That's why I mentioned the 5820K, I don't think they will have much choice. I think at the ~$200-350 price points it will end up being a choice of if you want exceptional multi-threaded performance or best IPC. Intel has really put the HEDT platform in a good price bracket to drive adaption with the 5820K, I'm assuming they will keep doing something similar going forward.
This is about 40% higher IPC over Excavator, its not single thread or MT CPU performance.
The 8 core Intel HEDT 5960X is $1000.
There is no 8 core Skylake-E yet, much less KabyLake or CannonLake. And KabyLake will be the same uArch as Skylake anyway.... then it will not compete with Skylake, much less Kaby Lake or Cannonlake. AMD will need more than 40% over their current uarch to compete with the same number of cores/threads. Because of this, I'm hoping the 40% figure is incorrect.
Uhh...I said the 5820K, it's a much more modest sub $400, sometimes even $299 if you have a Microcenter near by.
Are we then expecting Zen to have far, far higher clocks? I thought we were talking about quad vs quad.
I have no idea at what clocks ZEN will come, all im saying is that its another thing to say 40% higher IPC and another thing to compare ST/MT CPU performance.
Also games are very cache depended some times and from what we know ZEN has a completely different Cache architecture(more like Intel's) than what AMD is using today.
Yeah, but Zen will be 8 cores. So the 5960X is what you should be comparing to.
LOL...no. Zen would have to be an amazing increase in per core performance to be able to compete against the 5960X. That was the whole point of the exchange above, assuming it performs at Sandy Bridge levels, the 8 core will probably end up slotting in with the top mainstream intel chips and low end HEDT chips. The performance and market demand dictates price, not the amount of cores.