AMD Q3 Result

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(NASDAQ:AMD) today announced revenue for the third quarter of 2015 of $1.06 billion, operating loss of $158 million, and net loss of $197 million, or $0.25 per share.

The cash reserve is now down to 755M$.
65M$ APU inventory write down.

CPU ASP declined.
GPU ASP was flat.

For Q4 2015, AMD expects revenue to decrease 10 percent, plus or minus 3 percent, sequentially.

AMD also spins off again to gain needed cash.
ATMP Manufacturing Facilities Joint Venture
As a part of AMD’s ongoing strategic plan to sharpen its focus on designing high-performance technologies and products that drive profitable growth, AMD today announced the signing of a definitive agreement to create a joint venture with Nantong Fujitsu Microelectronics (NFME) that combines AMD’s high-volume ATMP facilities and experienced workforce in Penang, Malaysia and Suzhou, China with NFME’s established outsourced semiconductor assembly and test (OSAT) expertise to offer differentiated capabilities and scale to service a broad range of customers. The value of the transaction is $436 million and NFME will take an 85 percent ownership of the joint venture. AMD will receive $371 million in cash and expects net proceeds of approximately $320 million, net of taxes and other charges at close. This transaction is expected to close in the first half of 2016, pending successful completion of regulatory approvals.
 
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AtenRa

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So, AMD tops Q3 estimates

Q3 guidance was for +6% Revenue

Actual Q3 revenue increase was 13%
 

Burpo

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I got a chuckle out of the lengthy "Cautionary Statement". There's more than a few caveats listed there..
 

Phynaz

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The good news is they managed their cash very well. Selling their packaging operations is great and something they should have done sooner.

The bad news is the accelerating finanacial losses and another inventory writedown. Even after the writedown inventory still built up. This is all too frequent of an occurrence.

Overall not nearly as bad as could have been, but there is still no light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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Care to comment on the earnings miss?

It was due to an inventory write-down, caused by the lowered PC CPU demand as we saw with Intel. The difference here is that AMD can't just cut back on contra-revenue so to increase revenue, unlike Intel.

In overall terms it's quite a good quarter, much better than I had thought it would. The JV with the other company will see them through to Zen easily, which is all that matters now.
 
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It was due to an inventory write-down, caused by the lowered PC CPU demand as we saw with Intel. The difference here is that AMD can't just cut back on contra-revenue so to increase revenue, unlike Intel.

In overall terms it's quite a good quarter, much better than I had thought it would. The JV with the other company will see them through to Zen easily, which is all that matters now.

It's not that. The stuff they wrote down was older gen stuff that they probably deemed unsaleable. If it were just a question of lower PC demand then they would have just cut back production of current generation product to keep inventories at healthy levels.
 

RussianSensation

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In overall terms it's quite a good quarter, much better than I had thought it would. The JV with the other company will see them through to Zen easily, which is all that matters now.

This.

1) We also know that AMD won ~ $1B of Revenue from two semi-custom design wins, the first of which should start hitting their financials in 2H of 2016. A good guesstimate of that is the Nintendo NX product(s).

2) Their turn-around strategy across the board cannot start until a new line-up of CPUs (Zen) and a perf/watt focused GPU strategy required to regain massive losses in mobile dGPU market segment since 2010. This also cannot start until 16nm Arctic Islands because there isn't much more AMD can do on 28nm / GDDR5 and it's highly unlikely they will sink any more $ into outdated node/tech redesigns. This means over the next 12 months AMD has to spend most of its energy and financial resources on making sure Zen and 16nm graphics generation are a big improvement over their existing line-ups.

None of these next gen product guarantee a spectacular turn-around because Intel and NV have great products, but without Zen and 16nm GPUs, there cannot even be a discussion of any serious turn around. We probably won't see the impact of the new 16nm GPUs and Zen until Q3 2016-Q1 2017. For now AMD just has to focus on engineering designs internally, execution and marketing strategies. With existing products they cannot really do much other than cut prices on Fury/Fury X/Nano in due time and possibly bring out a 370X/380X level product.

Something to ponder about:

-> Outside of the last console generation, which lasted way too long due to the Great Recession, generally speaking the console life-cycle has been about 5 years, maybe 6 years. That means by the end of 2016/early 2017, the existing Xbox One/PS4 consoles will be roughly at their mid-point and that means the bidding process/work on next generation Xbox Two/PS5 successors will be well under way. That gives AMD a chance to secure semi-custom design wins for the successors of the existing consoles.

It's not that. The stuff they wrote down was older gen stuff that they probably deemed unsaleable. If it were just a question of lower PC demand then they would have just cut back production of current generation product to keep inventories at healthy levels.

Chances are they would have incurred even larger penalties due to the horrendous WSA Agreement with GloFo than writing down oversupply of inventory. It's a miracle AMD was even able to survive the Bulldozer architecture disaster. It has now been more than 4 years since Bulldozer launched, which means for the last 4 years, Intel basically just had to show up. Technically, Intel could have gotten away just shrinking Sandy Bridge and raising clocks over the last 4 years and even the 9590 wouldn't have kept up. That's the scary part for Zen -- by the time it launches, Cannonlake will be around the corner and in that time Intel will have gone through SB, IVB, HW, BW, SKL and then CNL.
 
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Phynaz

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Reading between the lines laptop CPU sales tanked massively. Anyone listening to the call?
 

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Reading between the lines laptop CPU sales tanked massively. Anyone listening to the call?

I will wait for the transcript but it seems strange that laptop would be down a lot given that overall CPU share seems to be up. Did they mention what was written down? Trinity/Richland stuff surely. They could end up "doing a Llano" with that and selling it off at a later date again.

I wonder if we'll start to hear about some Fury/HBM design wins in laptops this quarter too.
 
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sontin

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Trinity/Richland was written down last year.
We are talking here about Kaveri.
 

Phynaz

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Back of the napkin math shows they expect fourth quarter sales to be down 27% yoy.
 

Phynaz

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I will wait for the transcript but it seems strange that laptop would be down a lot given that overall CPU share seems to be up. Did they mention what was written down? Trinity/Richland stuff surely. They could end up "doing a Llano" with that and selling it off at a later date again.

I wonder if we'll start to hear about some Fury/HBM design wins in laptops this quarter too.

Yeah, maybe I missed on that. Have to wait for the transcript.
 

RussianSensation

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Back of the napkin math shows they expect fourth quarter sales to be down 27% yoy.

That's not a surprise. Console chip sales hit their peak in Q3 as MS/Sony build up inventory for the holiday. That means Q4 will have declining console revenue. AMD's CPU server presence is close to 0%. Who in their right mind would buy any of their APUs/CPUs when we have Skylake i3s/i5s? The performance and perf/watt gaps keep growing because they are stuck on 9590 while Intel has i5 6600K and i7 6700K and soon Broadwell-E might replace X99 CPUs. On the GPU front, to move Fiji they will have to cut prices, while 390/390X cards are falling in price which puts downward pressure on ASP and top-line revenue for their graphics. The only hope to make up for that is through higher volumes banking on PC gamers upgrading for Fallout 4, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Star Wars BF, etc. But, even if their graphics division does better in Q4 vs. Q3, the decline in console APU sales will more than offset any benefits.

There is really nothing positive to look forward to for them towards the end of 2015 from a financial standpoint and even Q1-2 2016 will be most likely uneventful. I expect nothing major to change until 2H of 2016, but that also hopefully means for 3 quarters we stop hearing how AMD will go bankrupt any minute now. :awe:
 

AtenRa

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Lisa said ZEN is a 2016 with first full year of revenue 2017

And, any supply problems with Fiji are gone and Q4 volumes will be better.
 

AtenRa

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@ Phynaz I dont remember im waiting for the script,

Also, she said something about next year APUs to have 2x perf/watt but again im waiting for the transcript to be sure if she was talking about desktop or Laptops or generally.
 

NTMBK

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And the pain continues. I just hope they can hold it together long enough to find a way out of this mess (or find a good buyer).
 
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