AMD Q4/2013 Desktop Roadmap

[Sweepr]

Excavator tops out @ 65W TDP, DDR3-based.
Beema looks like a H2/2014 product that should live on through 2015.
No Vishera (FX-line) successor planned till the end of 2015.

http://wccftech.com/amd-carrizo-api-excavator-core-gcn-graphics-2015/

Update: SweClockers confirmed the roadmap and posted other new slides: www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/17995-amd-forbereder-kabini-for-stationara-datorer-med-sockel-fs1b

 

[ShintaiDK]

Wow, not even DDR4 for excavator. And 65W TDP confirmed. No chipset update either.

And FX completely dead. AMD really is the new VIA.

 

[NTMBK]

Wow, not even DDR4 for excavator. And 65W TDP confirmed. No chipset update either.

And FX completely dead. AMD really is the new VIA.

DDR4 is starting out at the same speeds that DDR3 is already at. I doubt we'll see the super-fast DDR4 until Carrizo is being phased out, and certainly not at any affordable price. I don't see it as a real disaster- but it entirely explains the 65W TDP. If you're memory bottlenecked, no point adding more shaders to the GPU- just use the die shrink to make a smaller, cheaper part with better efficiency.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The next obvious question is, will excavator be 28nm or 20nm. And here I specially think on GloFos lack of ability so far.

 

[Leyawiin]

AMD really is the new VIA.

Not nearly that neutered.

 

[mikk]

28nm or 20nm is the big remaining question. Also it seems they aren't going for the maximum possible performance, otherwise they wouldn't lower the max TDP to 65W. I'm also surprised that AMD doesn't bring a Beema successor till 2016.

 

[Zor Prime]

Not nearly that neutered.

Have to admit it was the most hilarious thing I've seen him say this year, and that's saying something.

 

[seitur]

Lack of DDR4 is not that surprising considering that Intel is also not going to bring it to mainstream consumer market till Skylake in 2015.

DDR4 seem meh currently, way below hopes I've had for it. It's rumored to be at DDR3 speeds and high price for quite a long time if Intels DDR4 predictions will materialize.

Disappointing.


Overally memory market both storage and operational memory is boring and disappointing. SSDs stopped, DDR4 and GDDR6 are very late, prices are high and believed to stay high for quite a while. Stacked memory and RRAM seem promising but one is far away and second one even farther + future promises always are rosy and reality not as often. Ehh. Boring and disappointing.

 

[mrmt]

Single TDP bracket. Sounds like a small production run, doesn't it?

 

[AtenRa]

Single TDP bracket. Sounds like a small production run, doesn't it?

If you take off the Blue Glasses you're wear, you will see that is says "configurable TDP"

 

[SiliconWars]

Single TDP bracket. Sounds like a small production run, doesn't it?

I guess that must mean the WSA will be much smaller then?

 

[monstercameron]

maybe it just makes sense for AMD to release only APUs going forward...how else would they promote HSA if their product stack has only some skus supporting it

 

[Ajay]

The next obvious question is, will excavator be 28nm or 20nm. And here I specially think on GloFos lack of ability so far.

With 65W being the top bin, it better be 20nm - otherwise the clocks on this are just going to be awful. Seriously, I hope this slide is bogus, for AMD's sake, because the likelihood of GF having 20nm in 2015 is pretty low - unless Samsung can help them pull off a miracle.

 

[ShintaiDK]

maybe it just makes sense for AMD to release only APUs going forward...how else would they promote HSA if their product stack has only some skus supporting it

HSA is secondary due to their inability to compete in the primary area. Not to mention AMD cant sell enough chips to support multiple products in that area as well.

And IGP wise its not looking good as well. Unless AMD got some eSRAM/eDRAM they didnt mention on the slide.

HSA is also absent from Beema.

 

[SiliconWars]

HSA is secondary due to their inability to compete in the primary area.

Umm, what?

 

[mrmt]

With 65W being the top bin, it better be 20nm - otherwise the clocks on this are just going to be awful. Seriously, I hope this slide is bogus, for AMD's sake, because the likelihood of GF having 20nm in 2015 is pretty low - unless Samsung can help them pull off a miracle.

It's not the top bin, it's the only bin. It seems that they are are designing this chip with parameters so restricted that they won't be able to make many SKUs of them. Design the thing for the mobile market and design for it, sell the trash silicon as desktop 65W chips.

That makes me wonder what kind of small market bracket they are planning to get with this chip. That's small, even for AMD standards. Maybe Beema and Mulins are GLF 28nm and they are to finally address the WSA issue?

 

[SiliconWars]

It's not the top bin, it's the only bin. It seems that they are are designing this chip with parameters so restricted that they won't be able to make many SKUs of them. Design the thing for the mobile market and design for it, sell the trash silicon as desktop 65W chips.

That makes me wonder what kind of small market bracket they are planning to get with this chip. That's small, even for AMD standards. Maybe Beema and Mulins are GLF 28nm and they are to finally address the WSA issue?

Do you realise that with a lower TDP ceiling the chip probably has a lower floor?

Do you understand that the market has been shifting away from desktop to mobile for the last 10+ years?

Do you realise that even tablets have overtaken desktops long since?

Did you forget that Ivy Bridge was 77W on desktop? A "massive" 12W more than this?

Do you realise that the difference between AMD's 65W and 95W APU's is generally extremely small anyway?

And finally, like AtenRa already asked, do you know what "configurable TDP" means?

 

[Abwx]

Excavator tops out @ 65W TDP, DDR3-based.
Beema looks like a H2/2014 product that should live on through 2015.
No Vishera (FX-line) successor planned till the end of 2015.

http://wccftech.com/amd-carrizo-api-excavator-core-gcn-graphics-2015/

I wonder if this slide is legit since a few time ago AMD published
official DT roadmap that show Beema clearly replacing Jaguar while
this roadmap show Kabini being produced for the whole of 2015,
that is 18 months after Beema is released....

 

[NaroonGTX]

It's not the top bin, it's the only bin. It seems that they are are designing this chip with parameters so restricted that they won't be able to make many SKUs of them. Design the thing for the mobile market and design for it, sell the trash silicon as desktop 65W chips.

That makes me wonder what kind of small market bracket they are planning to get with this chip. That's small, even for AMD standards. Maybe Beema and Mulins are GLF 28nm and they are to finally address the WSA issue?

Apparently you missed the part where it clearly says "configurable TDP". Not very easy to miss it.

And I don't blame AMD for this approach. They make most of their money off APU's and the Radeon GPU's, so it only makes sense to put most of the focus on those.

 

[mrmt]

Apparently you missed the part where it clearly says "configurable TDP". Not very easy to miss it.

Kaveri has configurable TDP, and two bins.

 

[Abwx]

Kaveri has configurable TDP, and two bins.

15/21/35W models in mobile and 65/95W on DT,
is that two bins.?..

 

[monstercameron]

15/21/35W models in mobile and 65/95W on DT,
is that two bins.?..

are bins and skus the same thing?

 

[Abwx]

are bins and skus the same thing?

In this case whatever the variants there s a single chip
that will be produced for the whole mobile/DT/server parts.

 

[Shivansps]

Im kind of worried about Beema until 2016... Intel gona launch 2 products with the 3rd in the works in that lifetime, Beema its either too good, or they are just not trying anymore.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I saw this roadmap at IDF (and alluded to it on this very board).

Told you so.