A6-5000 15W TDP vs Pentium 2020M 35W TDP. Kabini has HALF the idle power consumption of 22nm Pentium 2020m. The power consumption difference in the rest of the applications is HALF as well.
To conclude, the Pentium is faster but it also uses 2x the power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6981/...ality-of-mainstream-pcs-with-its-latest-apu/2
Unsurprisingly, an apples and oranges comparison - Mobile Ivy Bridge vs Mobile Kabini.
In the desktop many (probably most) people would give up a minor ''few watts'' difference for a noticeable performance jump.
so dont try to make them look like power hogs, they are not.
You do know that you are essentially comparing 2 different laptops, right? Biggest mistake possible.
When battery is the same, it funny enough acts roughly the same for idle.
Did you tell that to Anand when he made the review ???
I didnt see you complaining about that before. :whiste:
We are not comparing Battery life here, we are in Desktop land. YOU people comparing a 25W TDP SoC to a 55W TDP + Chipset product. Not only that, you now trying to make the 2x higher power consumption something not relevant in the desktop anymore.
ps: those power measurements are for the entire system without the Laptop Monitor.
So,when AMD talks about future CPU models,it is all doom and gloom,but when Intel does the same it isn't. Wow,just wow.
In the desktop many (probably most) people would give up a minor ''few watts'' difference for a noticeable performance jump. Also, theres a 30-35W gap between idle and load with Core i3 (HT enabled) Haswell's. Haswell Celerons running @ 20-30% lower clocks without HT (and GT1 instead of GT2 IGPs) should draw even less power, so dont try to make them look like power hogs, they are not.
And 25W Kabini vs Pentium 55W Desktops are not apples to oranges ??
So now we dont care about power consumption in the Desktop ???
They are not directly competing in the same Segment, no matter how hard you and others trying to make them. One is 25W TDP the other 55W TDP. One is a SoC, the other is not.
So now we dont care about power consumption in the Desktop ???
They are not directly competing in the same Segment, no matter how hard you and others trying to make them. One is 25W TDP the other 55W TDP. One is a SoC, the other is not.
AMD will be trashed in the bottom market segment because they are pressed in both areas. Absolute performance will be addressed by Celeron/Pentium Haswell (write IVB off, it'll be phased out soon) and for people that don't need too much performance but care for power consumption there will be Bay Trail.
You do know that you are essentially comparing 2 different laptops, right? Biggest mistake possible.
The biggest mistake possible would be assume you could find two identical laptops that actually have different CPU inside them.
Sometimes you say things that really make me wonder.
AMD will be trashed in the bottom market segment because they are pressed in both areas. Absolute performance will be addressed by Celeron/Pentium Haswell (write IVB off, it'll be phased out soon) and for people that don't need too much performance but care for power consumption there will be Bay Trail.
AMD will be left with the very small market window of people who need a bit more performance than Bay Trail has to offer and care enough for power consumption to not go for the Celeron/Pentium.
This on the desktop of course, in mobile they are toast because Intel will field their low power bins there, effectively wiping Kabini business case out. (Why parter with AMD?).
FYI, these things take time.You have said that for a year. And nothing have changed.
You have said that for a year. And nothing have changed. It still does not materialize for obvious reasons like say marginal production cost for kabini vs hw. But what do you care about such minor details.
I said in 2011 on SA that AMD would have to eventually quit their x86 business because they wouldn't be able to recover from the Bulldozer disaster, and while they didn't quit, their x86 business is now a former shadow of itself, out of the growing axis of the "new AMD". Who was closer to the target, the guys expecting miracles from Brazos, Steamroller (the chip that was what Bulldozer was supposed to be lol) or me?
Ed: Krumme, what happens if Microsoft decides to backport the DirectX 11.x API from the XBO to the PC, giving straight compatibility with AMD hardware and access to a lightweight API for Intel and Nvidia hardware? R.I.P. business case for Mantle.
SR will be the first big jump in x86 perf since late 2008
And you are being unfair with me. What I've been saying to you that Kabini didn't hold the kind of marketing advantage Brazos had at the time, so it would have a *much* harder time on the market, as it wouldn't have a niche where it ruled, but just a very small gap between intel cost (Atom) and performance (core) parts. This prediction held true: Kabini sales didn't take off, we got a small uplift in Q2 and they again went back to normal and started to bleed market share again. And now the ultimate joke: AMD is trying to build a business case for Kabini on the desktop.
It was your prediction, that AMD would be able to "flood the market" with Kabini parts that didn't held true. Despite selling at below 40% margins, AMD can't make sales take off, while Intel will be able to keep around 60% margins with 22nm Silvermont. This, as I told you, happened because costs on 22nm Atom are better than Kabini's, and the chip is also more efficient.
But since you are talking about my predictions here, mark these words: AMD will bleed market share on the bottom market from Q114 until the foreseeable future, because Bay Trail, Haswell will be able to compete on costs and the 14nm chips will eat AMD line up for breakfast.
I said in 2011 on SA that AMD would have to eventually quit their x86 business because they wouldn't be able to recover from the Bulldozer disaster, and while they didn't quit, their x86 business is now a former shadow of itself, out of the growing axis of the "new AMD". Who was closer to the target, the guys expecting miracles from Brazos, Steamroller (the chip that was what Bulldozer was supposed to be lol) or me?
Ed: Krumme, what happens if Microsoft decides to backport the DirectX 11.x API from the XBO to the PC, giving straight compatibility with AMD hardware and access to a lightweight API for Intel and Nvidia hardware? R.I.P. business case for Mantle.
As kabini marginal cost is less than 9 usd why not sell it at desktop? Its a perfect desktop chip right now. Faster and cheaper than bt for the market
I think what he was trying to say is that it is difficult to find 2 laptop that are identical *except* for the CPU
Different CPU arch requires a different chipset. Even then, I find it pretty rare to find otherwise identical laptops.
First they tried to sell a desktop power hog as a mobile chip
Yep. Power delivery efficiency is huge. Panel power draw is another factor. AC adapter efficiency... the list goes on.Same CPU and chipset. And you see very different power results in different laptops.
Its pipeline is also significantly longer to hit that 3.5GHz. What you've pointed out is rather meaningless.Piledriver is capable of 3.5GHz inside of a 35W TDP in a 2M/4C configuration. It is anything but a desktop power hog. Unless all you're looking at is 4GHz+ desktop chips running absurd stock voltages as a reference.
Piledriver is capable of 3.5GHz inside of a 35W TDP in a 2M/4C configuration. It is anything but a desktop power hog. Unless all you're looking at is 4GHz+ desktop chips running absurd stock voltages as a reference.
Piledriver is capable of 3.5GHz inside of a 35W TDP in a 2M/4C configuration. It is anything but a desktop power hog. Unless all you're looking at is 4GHz+ desktop chips running absurd stock voltages as a reference.
Bulldozer was a power hog and thus never made it's way to mobile