AMD Q4/2013 Desktop Roadmap

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Chiropteran

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You can get VAT returned when shipped outside yes. However you pay VAT first, then make a claim, then get refunded by the IRS in the specific country.

Parallel imports is nothing new. But parallel imports would not garantee a lower price.

But a few posts up you said "Its easy to buy one. Even at low price"

That doesn't sound easy at all! That sounds like an unreasonable level of annoyance in dealing with government tax agencies just to get a card slightly cheaper than the local price, if even that (depending on shipping it might still cost more even after the VAT rebate).
 

ShintaiDK

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But a few posts up you said "Its easy to buy one. Even at low price"

That doesn't sound easy at all! That sounds like an unreasonable level of annoyance in dealing with government tax agencies just to get a card slightly cheaper than the local price, if even that (depending on shipping it might still cost more even after the VAT rebate).

I assume you again relate to the US, and not the rest of the world. What 5% of the world population can or cant is not an indicator of the global trend.
 

PPB

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I assume you again relate to the US, and not the rest of the world. What 5% of the world population can or cant is not an indicator of the global trend.

Assuming rest of the world = same for all of them :awe:

Where I come from VAT cant even be sustracted from any product, at all. Guess I'm not part of the rest of the world.
 

Chiropteran

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I assume you again relate to the US, and not the rest of the world. What 5% of the world population can or cant is not an indicator of the global trend.

How do you relate what I wrote to the US? I only use it as an example, but I don't see how it's even relevant.

In the USA, cards are above retail.

In Europe, cards are above retail after VAT, which you must include if you live in Europe.

If you try to buy from Europe and ship elsewhere to escape VAT, you have a lot of hassles to go through and might not even save the money you thought you might save.

So in every case so far, you are paying above retail. If the whole rest of the world is seeing such a different experience, how about you give specific example and show me where I really can buy an R290X for less than $550 out the door.
 

daxzy

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Why is it compelling? Could be a nice fit for HTPC uses, but otherwise, unless one insists on gaming on the igp (a bad choice on the desktop) I dont really see anything compelling about it. Still in the same limbo that other AMD apus are. More igp than casual users need, but easily beaten for any graphical intensive uses by a low end Athlon 750k and a HD 7750. Could be some mantle or HSA magic that solves its bandwidth restrictions, but I am not holding my breath.

I think it's compelling because I feel we've come at the point where more CPU power is irrelevant for general tasks (which my HTPC will be doing). It's all about less power consumption or more GPU power (for UI smoothness and other OpenCL offloads). Being able to play arcade games is just icing on the cake.

An integrated Radeon 7750 class IGP (same CU's, less bandwidth) sounds really good, especially if it's at 95W TDP. An Athlon 750K + 7750 is 130-150W.
 

Ajay

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You mean as a market player or as a relevant player? Because they can stay on the market a little longer than that. Beema and Mulins won't be match for Airmont or Goldmont, but they can scavenge sales on the very bottom of the market.

As for their big core CPU business, that's another story...

Just as a market player. AMD doesn't have to capture a significant part of the desktop to market to survive. It would have to do much better than seems possible to thrive and become relevant. Maybe if there was a significant rebound in desktop sales (a rising tide lifts all boats) - but outside that, I don't like their chances. With desktop sales shrinking, Intel has no tolerance for competitors (not that they have any additional work to best AMD right now).

As a consumer, I hope AMD does survive - some competition, even if it only in lower priced markets, is better than none. Personally, that last AMD CPU I bought was an dual core Athlon II for cheap system that didn't need much CPU power (a couple of years ago).
 

Erenhardt

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Well then, upgrading phenom II x4 965 to FX8320 seems to be the way to go for 2014-2015. There is lot of potential in this chip, which can soon be used with mantle api.

But if there are new FX CPUs coming, I will rage.
 

nemesismk2

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If you ask me AMD should of just increased the speed with Regor and reduced it to 32nm Yes i love my Regor CPUs, they are quiet with less TDP. some people like me just want a dual core cpu.
 
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NTMBK

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If you ask me AMD should of just increased the speed with Regor and reduced it to 32nm Yes i love my Regor CPUs, they are quiet with less TDP. some people like me just want a dual core cpu.

AMD ported Stars to 32nm, and couldn't get the clocks past 3GHz. It was the Husky core in Llano.
 

Homeles

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GloFo is what they had to work with. *shrug* It's not like they could just go ask to borrow Intel's 32nm process.
They couldn't at the time, but they actually could now that Intel's renting their fabs out.
 

Paul98

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That is a sad looking roadmap. Maybe they will get lucky and get a much better CPU component compared to kaveri's, while only bumping the GPU up a little. Maybe they will do something to increase memory bandwidth. Right now the CPU side isn't looking very good.
 

krumme

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