AMD Q4/2013 Desktop Roadmap

[AtenRa]

I was talking about released products. You dont compare your product to unreleased hardware, nobody does that.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I was talking about released products. You dont compare your product to unreleased hardware, nobody does that.

If you can buy it, take it home, use it. Is it not actually released?

And the Kabini products is not released either.

 

[Enigmoid]

IvyBridge/Haswell Pentiums are in a different segment. The Kabini is targeting the ENTRY level Desktop systems and directly compete against Intel Celerons.

Yet the G1630 is right on their slide.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116951

$60.

Its maybe $0-10 more for a higher clocked haswell pentium.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G3220BOX&c=CJ

(Same $60 for pentium Haswell @ 3.0 ghz).

But drop down to the G1610 @ 2.6 vs 2.8 ghz (G1630) and the price drops to nearly $40. Which is well out of the reach of a pentium true.

 

[Erenhardt]

Ok, I lost track what is fake and what's not.
My question, is there new 8 core fx processor planned? Be it Steamroller, Excavator, whatever...

 

[ShintaiDK]

Ok, I lost track what is fake and what's not.
My question, is there new 8 core fx processor planned? Be it Steamroller, Excavator, whatever...

No. Only SR planned is 2M/4T. And looking on TDP targets for EX. Dont expect that to change. And only FM2+ CPUs.

 

[AtenRa]

If you can buy it, take it home, use it. Is it not actually released?

Intel havent officially released those products.

And the Kabini products is not released either.

The slide compare the Kabini against current Hardware. Like Intel does with every CPU slide.
I havent seen an Intel slide compare their product to unreleased hardware. They always compare them against current hardware.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The slide compare the Kabini against current Hardware. Like Intel does with every CPU slide.
I havent seen an Intel slide compare their product to unreleased hardware. They always compare them against current hardware.

Are we gonna play some alternative reality marketing game?

Will the 2 products not be out to compete against one another in the same timeframe? Yes or No?

Nobody here cares about what AMD and Intel compares to in their misleading marketing slides. We only compare about what we can buy in the same timeframe that actually compete.

 

[AtenRa]

Yet the G1630 is right on their slide.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116951

$60.

Its maybe $0-10 more for a higher clocked haswell pentium.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G3220BOX&c=CJ

(Same $60 for pentium Haswell @ 3.0 ghz).

But drop down to the G1610 @ 2.6 vs 2.8 ghz (G1630) and the price drops to nearly $40. Which is well out of the reach of a pentium true.

Intel Celeron G1630 has an Recommended price of $52.00 according to Intel. Entry Level Celeron G1610 has a recommended price of $42.00.

They(AMD) targeting the entry level Celerons with those Kabinis and that's the reason they have both Ivy and ATOM based in that slide. They dont have the Haswell based Celerons because they are not released yet. Simple as that.

 

[AtenRa]

Are we gonna play some alternative reality marketing game?

Will the 2 products not be out to compete against one another in the same timeframe? Yes or No?

So, you want AMD to make a slide comparing their product to unreleased Haswell Celerons today ?? sorry nobody does that, not even Intel.
Just accept the fact that AMD Kabini is faster than IvyBridge Celerons and at lower TDPs.

Nobody here cares about what AMD and Intel compares to in their misleading marketing slides. We only compare about what we can buy in the same timeframe that actually compete.

mikk commented on the AMD slide, we were not making a general conversation here. The AMD slide TODAY compares the Kabini against CURRENT Celerons.
If you like to compare them against Haswell Celerons you will have to wait until Intel release them.

 

[Sweepr]

So, you want AMD to make a slide comparing their product to unreleased Haswell Celerons today ?? sorry nobody does that, not even Intel.
Just accept the fact that AMD Kabini is faster than IvyBridge Celerons and at lower TDPs.

Who cares? Ivy Bridge Celeron will be replaced by Haswell Celeron by the time those Kabini models hit the market. Just accept the fact that 10W TDP 4C/4T Bay Trail-D (2.4-2.67GHz) will offer similar CPU performance to that 25W TDP Kabini and Celeron Haswell will be a better option performance-wise.

 

[SPBHM]

so there is a new socket from AMD coming soon? interesting news, although being limited to just Kabini based stuff with a socket or BGA doesn't change things all that much.

 

[AtenRa]

10W TDP 4C/4T Bay Trail-D (2.4-2.67GHz) will offer similar CPU performance to that 25W TDP Kabini

And also 50% less GPU performance

and Celeron Haswell will be a better option performance-wise.

with higher TDP as well

 

[Erenhardt]

you misspelled SPD.

Introducing mantle and wide CPU utilization, but not releasing new 8 core CPU that supposedly have better multicore performance is a little strange to say the least. Are there any signs, rumors, etc, about new fx processor? Do we have offical "no" for SR FX processors?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Are there any signs, rumors, etc, about new fx processor? Do we have offical "no" for SR FX processors?

The answer is on the roadmap in the first post.

 

[Erenhardt]

The answer is on the roadmap in the first post.

It lacks whole segment I'm asking about.

 

[Sweepr]

And also 50% less GPU performance

Cherry Trail-D will adress that, at the same (or close to) 10W TDP. Lets see how Beema fares against 16 EUs ''Gen 8'' (let alone Broadwell/Skylake Celeron's IGP).

with higher TDP as well

If you want similar performance at light tasks Bay Trail-D will give you that at lower TDP, if you want performance/$ you go Haswell Celeron. Yes, pretty clear.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It lacks whole segment I'm asking about.

What desktop segment is lacking?

 

[Erenhardt]

What desktop segment is lacking?

nvm, blind

Whole "Vishera" thing looks strangely out of place. No detail info, not split to Zambezi/Vishera, no tdp, memory support, nothing

 

[krumme]

Cherry Trail-D will adress that, at the same (or close to) 10W TDP. Lets see how Beema fares against 16 EUs ''Gen 8'' (let alone Broadwell/Skylake Celeron's IGP).



If you want similar performance at light tasks Bay Trail-D will give you that at lower TDP, if you want performance/$ you go Haswell Celeron. Yes, pretty clear.

Well i have had my share of Intel gfx in the house. Have you actually used that thing?
I take temash 400mhz or so cgn gfx to a 12 or 16eu intel gfx any day of the week. Hell even 24eu couldnt change that decision.
Kabini is super fine dirt cheap desktop solution for third world or mini htpc. You get a strong fpu. Consistent good driver performance. It doesnt got battery life compared to bt but thats not important here. At 2ghz quad its plenty fast for office use with a mecanical hd. No need for huge dies here. And amd can sell them at 20usd and still have far better % margins than eg richland and probably even kaveri.

Its a perfect product and will stay compettitive because of low production cost.

On desktop side they have a leg up its on the mobile side on low end they are weak and need new 16nm process badly. And its also where there is more profit.

 

[AtenRa]

Cherry Trail-D will adress that, at the same (or close to) 10W TDP. Lets see how Beema fares against 16 EUs ''Gen 8'' (let alone Broadwell/Skylake Celeron's IGP).



If you want similar performance at light tasks Bay Trail-D will give you that at lower TDP, if you want performance/$ you go Haswell Celeron. Yes, pretty clear.

Yea same old story, next time Intel will address that, next gen will be faster etc etc.
Funny thing is that 28nm Kabini at 25W TDP can compete against 22nm Intel 55W TDP CPUs.

 

[Sweepr]

Yea same old story, next time Intel will address that, next gen will be faster etc etc.

You mean the same old story we have been hearing from AMD's CPUs? ''Just wait for K8L... K10... Bulldozer... Piledriver... Steamroller... Excavator... insert new codename...''
Well, Intel seems to be closing the gap much faster in the iGPU space.

Funny thing is that 28nm Kabini at 25W TDP can compete against 22nm Intel 55W TDP CPUs.

No it cant.
TDP matters while comparing to 35-54W Haswell Celerons yet it doesnt matter while comparing to 10W Bay Trail-D(s). Funny one AtenRa.

 

[AtenRa]

No it cant.
TDP matters when comparing to Haswell Celeron yet it doesnt matter when comparing to 10W TDP Bay Trail-D(s). Funny one AtenRa.

I dont see how 10W BayTrail being 50% slower can compete against 25W Kabini in GPU performance

 

[ShintaiDK]

I dont see how 10W BayTrail being 50% slower can compete against 25W Kabini in GPU performance

I dont see how Kabini being snailpacing slow in CPU can compete with IB or Haswell Celerons.

And about equal to BT in CPU performance if you use the NON TURBO ENBALED BT CPUs WITH LOWER GPU CLOCK AS WELL, tho the Kabini need a 150% higher TDP to stay competitive. And thats in AMD selected benchmarks. Meaning optimal benchmarks for AMD.

And AMD never even benchmarked BayTrail desktops did they? Maybe they based their numbers of a tablet...

 

[krumme]

Lack of DDR4 is not that surprising considering that Intel is also not going to bring it to mainstream consumer market till Skylake in 2015.

DDR4 seem meh currently, way below hopes I've had for it. It's rumored to be at DDR3 speeds and high price for quite a long time if Intels DDR4 predictions will materialize.

Disappointing.


Overally memory market both storage and operational memory is boring and disappointing. SSDs stopped, DDR4 and GDDR6 are very late, prices are high and believed to stay high for quite a while. Stacked memory and RRAM seem promising but one is far away and second one even farther + future promises always are rosy and reality not as often. Ehh. Boring and disappointing.

Yeaa. It looks like money is going elsewhere. No business for more investment. Things is slowing down and all in the industry are adapting.

Mirrorless camera took a 40% hit last year. Destruction everywhere.

Man all the gear i love is getting no love.

Nerds is going to get wiped from earth and starved for new gear.

I am not going to breake the 10k post barrier in my life then. And i am not going to read the 736 similar post from xx about the 290 cooler again. My life is worthless.

 

[Sweepr]

I dont see how 10W BayTrail being 50% slower can compete against 25W Kabini in GPU performance

Neither can I see how 25W Kabini competes with Haswell-based Celerons in CPU/GPU performance.