AMD Q4 2013 result. 1.59B$ revenue, 5.3B$ for the year

[mrmt]

then it only goes to show how overpriced intel parts are if an ancient, huge, not a good product from amd can compete with intel's brand spanking new products.

keep on trolling :whiste:

I could use the i5 2500k to go against the 6300. Your point?

 

[escrow4]

then it only goes to show how overpriced intel parts are if an ancient, huge, not a good product from amd can compete with intel's brand spanking new products.

keep on trolling :whiste:

Compete with what? A Haswell i3 will either match it or exceed it. A Haswell i5 will slap it around easily. A Haswell i7 won't break a sweat stomping it into the ground. A Celeron Haswell has better single threaded balls. And that tired old AMD chip sucks way more power and is on a decrepit obsolete platform. Intel is far from overpriced. Sure it obviously costs more but its not hard to see why.

 

[monstercameron]

Compete with what? A Haswell i3 will either match it or exceed it. A Haswell i5 will slap it around easily. A Haswell i7 won't break a sweat stomping it into the ground. A Celeron Haswell has better single threaded balls. And that tired old AMD chip sucks way more power and is on a decrepit obsolete platform. Intel is far from overpriced. Sure it obviously costs more but its not hard to see why.

read what I typed then read what you typed. I claimed that it could compete and you agreed.

 

[Abwx]

Compete with what? A Haswell i3 will either match it or exceed it. A Haswell i5 will slap it around easily

Out of curiosity i checked and unsurprisingly some urban
legends are still taken as holy grail..

Average is on the bottom of the page :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/913-7/cpu-performances-applicatives.html

 

[monstercameron]

I could use the $130 haswell i3 to go against the $140 6350. Your point?

FTFY. more equal comparison.
keep on trolling :whiste:

 

[sf101]

Any way you look at it these consoles are probably going to provide about 7 years worth of sales minimum.

Amd's graphics cards are selling well unfortunatly they didnt capitalize on this ltc/altcoin demand quickly or these sales figures could have been even larger.

Yes the Cpu Division is still faltering but their Desktop cpu's atleast are starting to catch up to similar performance levels of intel now if they can manage to cut down power usage and heat AMD may have what they need to move into a more competitive stance in that market soon. where as for the last 6 or so years they have been no where in sight of intels y2y performance.

Its all looking quite alot better than it was and fact is atleast we can say AMD is looking competitive now a days instead of just .. "yea they are the cheaper alternative" with no mention on performance due to them being no where close.

I think this is a great thing really tbh and atm the future is looking better for amd.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Out of curiosity i checked and unsurprisingly some urban
legends are still taken as holy grail..

Average is on the bottom of the page :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/913-7/cpu-performances-applicatives.html

Dont see your point really. Kaveri loses to lowest Haswell i3 in the productivity benchmarks and as the other poster said, is destroyed by any i5. In gaming the results are even worse.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Out of curiosity i checked and unsurprisingly some urban
legends are still taken as holy grail..

Average is on the bottom of the page :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/913-7/cpu-performances-applicatives.html

duplicate post

 

[positivedoppler]

Dont see your point really. Kaveri loses to lowest Haswell i3 in the productivity benchmarks and as the other poster said, is destroyed by any i5. In gaming the results are even worse.

When I buy a new laptop or PC, it will be AMD Kaveri and here's why. My computing need is probably inline with the vast majority of PC users.

Why would the vast majority of the people who actually purchase PCs need with the extra performance indicated by the productivity software benchmarks? The laptop I use at work is 5 years old core duo and I seriously don't see a need to upgrade. The ancient Phenom 3 core laptop at home is also overkill for any work, facebook, movies, and internet task I do on a daily basis. I don't feel a need or urge to open Excel, Words, or Power Point 1000 times faster.
Vast majority of the people probably buy their music and movie online now. All these anandtech benchmarks that test how quickly these cpus can rip movies and CDs is not even relevant to the vast majority of the users. I stopped ripping movies off DVDs 8 years ago. If there is a once in a blue moon event in which I do want to rip a CD or DVD or blueray, I'll don't mind if a slower cpu will take a few seconds or minute more since I don't do it that often. I'll surf the web until it's done.

I know how to build my own PC but at this day and age it's not worth the hassle, I'll just go buy a pre built system for dirt cheap. If given the choice between AMD Kaveri and Intel, I'd choose Kaveri because I don't need the extra 'productivity' offered by the Intel cpu but I can use the extra bump afforded by Kaveri's superior 3D gaming gpu when once in a blue moon I decide to indulge in a game. Maybe there is a cheaper better Intel option with a dedicated GPU out there, but for the vast majority of the PCs on sale now, it's all intergrated GPU.

I believe my cpu need is more inline with the vast majority of consumers out there when compared to the elite hardware enthusiast here at anandtech. Too bad the public is so brainwashed by "Intel Inside" when purchasing a computer they might erroneous think that AMD is a cheap Chinese counterfeit and fail to realize that Kaveri actually suits their price and need better than INtel.

 

[antihelten]

Kaveri loses to lowest Haswell i3 in the productivity benchmarks

Productivity benchmarks from Anandtech review:

Agisoft PS v1.0 (lower is better)
i3 4330 2232 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 2700 121%

WinRAR 5.01 (lower is better)
i3 4330 140.09 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 135.24 97%

FastStone Image Viewer 4.9 (lower is better)
i3 4330 51 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 65 127%

Xilisoft VC 7.5 2x4K (lower is better)
i3 4330 2429 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 2977 123%

Xilisoft VC 7.5 Film (lower is better)
i3 4330 527.19 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 646.34 123%

HandBrake v0.9.9 2x4K (higher is better)
i3 4330 9.46 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 9.66 102%

HandBrake v0.9.9 Film (higher is better)
i3 4330 313.39 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 286.60 91%

Adobe After Effects 6 (lower is better)
i3 4330 2292 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 2046 89%

7-Zip 9.2 (higher is better)
i3 4330 9121 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 11386 125%

PovRay 3.7 (higher is better)
i3 4330 642.63 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 779.12 121%

TrueCrypt 7.1a (higher is better)
i3 4330 1.500 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 2.100 140%

Geometric Average (higher is better)
i3 4330 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 99.9%

In gaming the results are even worse.

Gaming Benchmarks from Anandtech review:

1280x1024*:
Geometric Average (higher is better)
i3 4330 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 159%

1680x1050**:
Geometric Average (higher is better)
i3 4330 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 197%

1920x1080***:
Geometric Average (higher is better)
i3 4330 100%
a8-7600 (65W) 188%

* company of heroes under 30 fps on both cpus.
** only F1 2013 above 30 fps and only on a8-7600.
*** all games below 30 fps.

edit: rereading your comment I guess you referred to gaming with a discrete GPU and not the integrated GPU, when you said "In gaming the results are even worse.", which is true enough. Although hardware.fr seems to have used some fairly CPU heavy games seeing as even an i5-4430 is a bottleneck.

 

[AtenRa]

So lets sum up.

AMD Q4 2013 to Q3
Revenue = +9%
Income = +48,35%

Intel Q4 2013 to Q3
Revenue = +2,2%
Income = flat

AMD Annual 2013 over 2012
Revenue = -2%
Income = +876%

Intel Annual 2013 over 2012
Revenue = -1%
Income = -16%

2013 was the best AMD financial year since 2011. People should start to acknowledge that and stop trolling with every chance they get. AMD is in the right direction, they have completed the first two faces of restructuring and have continue delivering their products on time. They are more than ever ready to operate with low margins and that will help them in the near future.
They have a long way ahead of them but they are doing the best they can under those difficult circumstances.

 

[Dresdenboy]

And a Playstation 4.1 sounds like a terrible idea! D: As Sega demonstrated in the 90s, fragmenting your console user base is a bad move...

What did Sega do to fragment it?

I think by staying compatible with existing games but offering a 4K and/or 3D console variant (plus if necessary a small update) it shouldn't be worse than last gen's mix of models with or without HDD, Kinect, Eye Toy, Move etc.

 

[SammichPG]

What did Sega do to fragment it?

I think by staying compatible with existing games but offering a 4K and/or 3D console variant (plus if necessary a small update) it shouldn't be worse than last gen's mix of models with or without HDD, Kinect, Eye Toy, Move etc.

Maybe he was talking about the megadrive expansion module, the 32x

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_32X

 

[Atreidin]

Maybe he was talking about the megadrive expansion module, the 32x

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_32X

And the Sega CD.

If you have all three, have fun plugging in all 3 giant power bricks.

 

[Abwx]

Dont see your point really. Kaveri loses to lowest Haswell i3 in the productivity benchmarks and as the other poster said, is destroyed by any i5. In gaming the results are even worse.

The comparison was between the i3 and a 6300.....

 

[Dresdenboy]

Maybe he was talking about the megadrive expansion module, the 32x

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_32X

OK, thanks. In this case the possible scenario I gave is not comparable to that mess Sega did.

Today there are only little compatibility problems between all those gaming desktop/laptop PC configs. And if an PS4/XBox One upgrade is just about higher resolution or 3D, implemented by adding shaders, increasing clocks and mem BW, plus some SW updates on the OS and game executable side, this shouldn't pose any problems.

 

[JDG1980]

FX6300 is a die salvaged chip operating in an ancient platform. It's also a very big chip from the kind of market bracket it sells. Not a good product for AMD, that's for sure.

You may be right that FX-6300 is not particularly profitable for AMD. However, since they're stuck with Hector Ruiz's disastrous WSA, they're better off selling it than eating the penalty and getting nothing in return.

Are you sure that the 3M/6C chips are die-harvested? I was under the impression that they had separate designs. A quick Google search was inconclusive.

970/990FX may be an outdated platform, but not significantly more so than Intel's flagship X79. In both cases, power consumption could be better, there are a limited number of SATA6 ports, and add-on controllers have to be deployed for USB3.

 

[pablo87]

So lets sum up.

AMD Q4 2013 to Q3
Revenue = +9%
Income = +48,35%

Intel Q4 2013 to Q3
Revenue = +2,2%
Income = flat

AMD Annual 2013 over 2012
Revenue = -2%
Income = +876%

Intel Annual 2013 over 2012
Revenue = -1%
Income = -16%

2013 was the best AMD financial year since 2011. People should start to acknowledge that and stop trolling with every chance they get. AMD is in the right direction, they have completed the first two faces of restructuring and have continue delivering their products on time. They are more than ever ready to operate with low margins and that will help them in the near future.
They have a long way ahead of them but they are doing the best they can under those difficult circumstances.

AMD has a huge unknown and unquantifiable off balance sheet liability called the WSA with Global Foundries. Until this is terminated, AMD should be "trolled" at every turn so that investors understand this company is nothing but riverboat gambling.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD has a huge unknown and unquantifiable off balance sheet liability called the WSA with Global Foundries. Until this is terminated, AMD should be "trolled" at every turn so that investors understand this company is nothing but riverboat gambling.

I didnt know AT forums was made to protect investors from Gambling on AMD Stocks. I had the feeling it was a Technology forum, We learn new things here at AT all the time.

Good to have people like you here protecting all those forum mates here in AT from making that big mistake Gambling on AMD, Im sure nobody ever lost money "gambling" on Intel

 

[hungtran]

I lost all hope with AMD the stock. It's clearly being manipulated both ways. Bought 100,000 shares in May at $4.40, and after all the downs and ups, have a $80k loss to show for it. Also have 1,000 shares from the $12 days. Selling as soon as it hits $3.80 this time.

 

[pablo87]

I didnt know AT forums was made to protect investors from Gambling on AMD Stocks. I had the feeling it was a Technology forum, We learn new things here at AT all the time.

Good to have people like you here protecting all those forum mates here in AT from making that big mistake Gambling on AMD, Im sure nobody ever lost money "gambling" on Intel

You'd be surprised how many people read these forums and invest partially on information they glean from here posted by posters like you, especially since this is a thread about AMD's financials. You'd also be surprised how few people know about the WSA and how like a worm, it is rotting AMD from within.

The WSA is a disaster for AMD

- massive unknown financial obligation
- cause of excessive inventory levels and write offs
- substitute products and architectures that aren't selling for those that are (Brazos)
- product cancellations (Wichita)
- designing large die size unnecessarily. (bulldozer)
- excessive R&D on big core playing catch up instead of investing on small core
- paying to cancel an exclusive with Gloflo even though Gloflo doesn't have the required process on time

The latest for 2014 I suspect will be failure to secure leading edge manufacturing capacity from TSMC well because a) they have to meet their WSA and thus cannot send business to TSMC and b) why should TSMC support AMD when as soon as Global Foundries is ready (probably 1-2 years later and about 3-4 years behind Intel), AMD will move the business over?

Bottom line, Off balance sheet liabilities are always a red flag.. The financial commitment under the WSA was well over $10B when signed, far exceeding AMD's market cap.

Last but not least, whenever I see a ad hominem attack, I know said attacker is basically admitting the other party is right as their only recourse is personal attacks.

 

[Abwx]

I lost all hope with AMD the stock. It's clearly being manipulated both ways. Bought 100,000 shares in May at $4.40, and after all the downs and ups, have a $80k loss to show for it. Also have 1,000 shares from the $12 days. Selling as soon as it hits $3.80 this time.

A stop loss order would had spared you all the hassle
and allowed you to enter at better prices , for what it s
worth Nasdaq investors put their stop at about 5-6% losses...

 

[mrmt]

I lost all hope with AMD the stock. It's clearly being manipulated both ways. Bought 100,000 shares in May at $4.40, and after all the downs and ups, have a $80k loss to show for it. Also have 1,000 shares from the $12 days. Selling as soon as it hits $3.80 this time.

AMD is junk, speculative stock. Lose money with stock like that isn't out of ordinary, as isn't make huge amounts of money with it.

 

[krumme]

You'd be surprised how many people read these forums and invest partially on information they glean from here posted by posters like you, especially since this is a thread about AMD's financials. You'd also be surprised how few people know about the WSA and how like a worm, it is rotting AMD from within.

The WSA is a disaster for AMD

- massive unknown financial obligation
- cause of excessive inventory levels and write offs
- substitute products and architectures that aren't selling for those that are (Brazos)
- product cancellations (Wichita)
- designing large die size unnecessarily. (bulldozer)
- excessive R&D on big core playing catch up instead of investing on small core
- paying to cancel an exclusive with Gloflo even though Gloflo doesn't have the required process on time

The latest for 2014 I suspect will be failure to secure leading edge manufacturing capacity from TSMC well because a) they have to meet their WSA and thus cannot send business to TSMC and b) why should TSMC support AMD when as soon as Global Foundries is ready (probably 1-2 years later and about 3-4 years behind Intel), AMD will move the business over?

Bottom line, Off balance sheet liabilities are always a red flag.. The financial commitment under the WSA was well over $10B when signed, far exceeding AMD's market cap.

Last but not least, whenever I see a ad hominem attack, I know said attacker is basically admitting the other party is right as their only recourse is personal attacks.

+ the wsa also induces the same management insecurity for gf !

There is no upside. The only thing it does is make gf investment look pretty. And ironically its also eating gf from inside doing so.

We have been over this problem for is it like 4 years ago now at SA?

The most crazy thing is it have not yet been solved. Clearly its a Mubadala responsibility. What a sad waste of ressources and talent.

Btw: good to see you here pablo

 

[mrmt]

We have been over this problem for is it like 4 years ago now at SA?

Oh, I remember there were people there expecting Globalfoundries to beat Intel.

To give you a glimpse of the level of desperation inside AMD, here's the job description of John Gustafson given by Gustafson himself:

Serve as technical lead for AMD’s Graphics Processor Unit division. Evangelize AMD’s graphics and high-performance computing approaches externally and internally; manage product road map; provide vision for future computing architectures to allow AMD to remain competitive.