AMD Q4 results

[amdisstaying]

Well, that is a nice batch of SPAM by a troll account.

You are entitled to your opinion. I completely disagree with what you say.

Anyway, if any Intel or NVidia fanboy(s) have trouble with amdzone.com, then they should complain to amdzone.com. I have nothing to do with amdzone.com at this moment.

 

[boxleitnerb]

You link to a set of benchmark results but these are only part of the picture. Other benchmarks, other results. As always, which CPU is better depends on what you are doing. You cannot claim complete truth with cherrypicking.

To be taken more seriously, I also suggest you adjust your attitude a bit. The only one in here acting aggressively seems to be you.

 

[BLaber]

Sorry to be off topic but to me admisstaying is posting as aggresively as most of the pro-intel posters here who openly call him a "Troll Account" , "AMDZONE propagandist e.t.c which gets the pass from Admins, so its all equal in the end.

 

[amdisstaying]

You link to a set of benchmark results but these are only part of the picture. Other benchmarks, other results. As always, which CPU is better depends on what you are doing. You cannot claim complete truth with cherrypicking.

Agree. The AMD FX-8350 will perform the best when all 8-cores are used and the work-load is mostly integer calculations, that is an application like compiling a large program (Linux Kernel).

To be taken more seriously, I also suggest you adjust your attitude a bit. The only one in here acting aggressively seems to be you.

Agree. I want to see that people mostly focus on benchmarks or on real data before rendering their opinions. Without facts or partial facts, the opinions are useless.

 

[amdisstaying]

Sorry to be off topic but to me admisstaying is posting as aggresively as most of the pro-intel posters here who openly call him a "Troll Account" , "AMDZONE propagandist e.t.c which gets the pass from Admins, so its all equal in the end.

Thank you, Sir. That is the same thing I was telling to the Moderator IDC. All Intel/NVidia posters jump on any pro-AMD poster.

It is better if we stay on topic and not attack the poster. I will do that. I was afraid that Intel/NVidia posters want to ban any pro-AMD poster. You will see the attitude of some Intel/NVidia posters after reading a few AMD threads.

I only read AMD threads on this site. I don't want to read any Intel thread.

I also find that pro-AMD posters are honest people and I respect them, i.e., inf64 and many many others. That is enough.

 

[amdisstaying]

I promise that I will not post or visit any Intel/NVidia thread on this site.

Is it very difficult for the Intel/NVidia posters to stay way from AMD threads?

I see that Intel/NVidia posters don't like pro-AMD threads. So just stay away. It is really no big deal.

There are only a bunch of NVidia/Intel trouble makers.

IF they do that, then anandtech.com will get more clicks and more ad revenues. I know most people are for fairness and they will appreciate that a site like anandtech.com treats all posters equally.

I may sound aggressive but that is not what I'm trying to convey. I come and stay on this site for real information about AMD. I don't want to read extreme AMD bashing over and over and over...

 

[Jaydip]

AMD gets bashed not because people enjoy it but rather they deserve it for their CPU lineups.

 

[boxleitnerb]

The problem I see here (and very often in other threads as well) is that criticism or other opinions are quickly thought of as fanboyism. Why do we have to categorize people as pro-anything? Can't we just take their opinions at face value and don't get personal by putting them into a drawer?

The right of free speech means accepting that others say or post things that oneself does not like. One may choose to respond with arguments and examples, but saying "stay away" or accusing them of bashing is in itself making trouble and childish.

 

[krumme]

Would you commit a multi-billion business to Globalfoundries?

Would you commit a multi-billion business to AMD?

Still the contracts are there !

What is your guess how they are structured/what the terms are?

 

[amdisstaying]

examples, but saying "stay away" or accusing them of bashing is in itself making trouble and childish.

That is your interpretation of the words. I don't interpret the words like you are doing.

staying away means don't visit the thread.

"accusing them for bashing = making trouble + childdish"

A distortion of my words beyond my comprehension.

What is "Troll Account + AMDZone Propagandist"?

Those are very good words in your vocabulary to describe me. I know you didn't say them but an Intel/NVidia fanboy gets a free pass using those words against me without me provoking them.

Let us stop this thing now and stay on topic. This is a total waste of time. I will not reply to a post from an Intel/NVidia fanboy.

 

[Jaydip]

Wow man box is a real enthusiast not some typical cheer leader.Get your facts straight before sprouting nonsense.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Can't we just take their opinions at face value and don't get personal by putting them into a drawer?

That was meant for all people in this thread. No one can prohibit someone else from visiting and posting in a thread if he/she has something to say. That is censorship.

 

[Abwx]

Well, that is a nice batch of SPAM by a troll account.

the FX-8350 is 1% better in 1% of applications, and is decimated in the other 99% of applications..

At least he provided a few benchs results why you are just
throwing numbers out of thin air..

I didnt read nowhere that the 8350 was better only in 1%
of the benchs , only in your unsubstancied post. , so , yes ,
you can talk of trolling.:biggrin:

 

[Abwx]

That was meant for all people in this thread. No one can prohibit someone else from visiting and posting in a thread if he/she has something to say. That is censorship.

The guy has highlighted a real problem..

A lot of AMD bashers have nothing to say , they just come
to trash the thread so any usefull information is burried under
loads of crap posting...

Just look at the lasts posts , some of wich are attacking
the man , not what he says.

I see no AMD supporter doing this by there , only Intel
afficionados are that baseless generaly , at least at AT.

Here a trolling hatefull post that has is completely useless :

Holy hell am I really reading AMDzone propaganda by a new disruptive poster?

And of course , on the following post :

Yes.

Blatant irrealistic numbers forgings are also used , as
mentionned in my post above , to faint a tech discussion...

 

[Abwx]

AMD gets bashed not because people enjoy it but rather they deserve it for their CPU lineups.

Bashed by who ? dare tell us if there s somebody else
than an usual AMD hater in this list of "who"...

 

[mrmt]

What is your guess how they are structured/what the terms are?

Well, commit a design for AMD? I would.

AMD has a good track record in designing IP for consoles. Their GPU powered the PS3 and the Wii without any hiccups, and apparently they did this cheaper than Nvidia, which is I think it's the main reason to them to get all the GPUs of the new generation console. AMD's designs for CPUs are only that bad because they are being compared to Intel designs, but they aren't no slouch in performance compared, for example, to ARM.

What I would *not* commit my business is to have GLF as my sole supplier. GLF is too much hot air, and too few results to show.

 

[mrmt]

=====================
(1) Computing Solutions Revenue = $3.6 billions (0r $900 millions per quarter estimate)
(2) Graphics Revenue = $1.4 billions ( or $350 millions per quarter estimate)
(3) Embedded Revenue = $.9 billions
=====================
Total Revenue for 2013 = $5.9 billions or $5.5 billions (estimate)
Actual Revenue for 2012 = $5.42 billions

(....)

I just don't see AMD bankruptcy in 2013. If my account does not get deleted by saying good things about AMD, then I might sitll post in 2014 something about AMD Steamroller or Sony's PS4 which will be shipping after the Xbox 720 or the Xbox Next.

(....)

For 2013, AMD will lose a little money or make a very little money. But Keeping expenses within $1.3 billions will keep AMD Ticking for many many more years.

I don't get you. First you come here talking like someone here foresees a bankruptcy in the short term. Sure, the risk is there, but it is not the baseline scenario of any analyst out there. What people are factoring is liquidation at some point in the future, because the company is unable to generate enough cash to sustain the business, but not a chapter 11 soon. Maybe you are not from the financial market, but listen to this: Every time the market is worried about the cash levels of a company, this company is in trouble. And people are talking a lot about AMD cash levels. There isn't a single Q&A where Kumar isn't bombarded with questions about cash.

And then your numbers... you and Eyefinity seem to have a flair to take numbers out of thin air and present then as factual truths, even when they blatantly contradict AMD own estimates. I don't see any reasoning for that, except trolling. Take your CPU group numbers for example. Where will AMD make 20% growth in CPUs in a moment where the market is depressed and Intel has less than 50% of its fabs online? Or how do you keep those 3.6 and 1.4 billion numbers for CPU and GPU when today there is already 250-300 millions in revenues buried inside those groups? I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but I'd like to be proven wrong by numbers or at least good enough premisses, not by forum flame.

Speaking on forum flame. I didn't say that AMD spends 70 million per quarter in debt, but that 70 million in debt + non-opex would be a good estimate, not only because of debt, but because AMD will demand a lot of consulting, restructuring and financial engineering to survive this year, so an additional 25 million per quarter isn't an unfair estimate for those charges, or at least it is conservative enough for me to put in a valuation model.

The forum, btw, isn't really unfair to AMD. What most people here are talking, and I think it's a reasonable outcome, is that AMD is fading into irrelevancy, and I think you cannot disagree on that. AMD is less relevant than it was 6 yes ago, and much more than 8 years ago. And IF AMD survive its ordeal, it won't be the good old AMD that fought Intel with everything they had. It will be a much more leaner, smaller company, focused in embedded, micro servers and low power devices. When your main competitor spends more than twice in R&D what you earn in gross revenues, there isn't much you can do about this.

If you want to defend AMD from the trolls that live on this forums, then you should either ignore the trolls until they get tired or at least post correct information. Me and some others are open to discuss whatever good information and opinions, and we spend quite a deal of time answering posts forums, but please, not this.

 

[amdisstaying]

Bashed by who ? dare tell us if there s somebody else
than an usual AMD hater in this list of "who"...

Abwx, I agree with you. These Intel/NVidia posters are used to bashing AMD in AMD threads. I only said that if an Intel/NVidia poster(s) doesn't like AMD thread, then just stay away from the AMD thread.

One fan of Intel/NVidia was equating the words "stay away" equal to censorship. That isn't censorship. I don't like Intel/NVidia products due to ethical reasons. That is my choice. It has nothing to do with censorship.

Most (but not all) posts in AMD threads by an Intel/NVidia poster are AMD bashing or pro-AMD poster(s) bashing posts. They even bash AMD without provoking. I don't know what is wrong with these people.

I find AMD posters honest and intelligent. I respect most pro-AMD posters on this and the other sites.

I think some people have herd mentality. It might be difficult for some people to control themselves.

I know what is going on in their head. It isn't anyone else's job to fix them. Some of them are very educated people.

I workerd for a Professor who had a PhD degree and who was like that. He even committed suicide for something meaningless. That was his choice and no one else could stop him. Most of the graduate students knew his troubles. I always ignored him.

We need a ignore button in this forum.

 

[NTMBK]

We need a ignore button in this forum.

There is already an ignore list in User CP.

 

[Haserath]

Bashed by who ? dare tell us if there s somebody else
than an usual AMD hater in this list of "who"...

AMD pulled a Bulldozer and now nobody likes them.

They also don't perform core per core to Intel all that well, so gamers don't like them.

Overclockers also equalize the difference between the 3570k and the 8350 with clocks on multithreaded workloads. It will still vary between the two, but the 3570k has better low thread performance.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD pulled a Bulldozer and now nobody likes them.

Just because you dont like them doesnt mean they dont perform

Overclockers also equalize the difference between the 3570k and the 8350 with clocks on multithreaded workloads. It will still vary between the two, but the 3570k has better low thread performance.

You need more than 5GHz on the 3570K to compete against a 4.6GHz FX8350 even in Intel optimized Cinebench 11.5. Every FX8350 will OC to 4.6GHz, can you say the same for the 5GHz OC on the Core i5 3570K ???

 

[MisterMac]

Abwx, I agree with you. These Intel/NVidia posters are used to bashing AMD in AMD threads. I only said that if an Intel/NVidia poster(s) doesn't like AMD thread, then just stay away from the AMD thread.

One fan of Intel/NVidia was equating the words "stay away" equal to censorship. That isn't censorship. I don't like Intel/NVidia products due to ethical reasons. That is my choice. It has nothing to do with censorship.

Most (but not all) posts in AMD threads by an Intel/NVidia poster are AMD bashing or pro-AMD poster(s) bashing posts. They even bash AMD without provoking. I don't know what is wrong with these people.

I find AMD posters honest and intelligent. I respect most pro-AMD posters on this and the other sites.

I think some people have herd mentality. It might be difficult for some people to control themselves.

I know what is going on in their head. It isn't anyone else's job to fix them. Some of them are very educated people.

I workerd for a Professor who had a PhD degree and who was like that. He even committed suicide for something meaningless. That was his choice and no one else could stop him. Most of the graduate students knew his troubles. I always ignored him.

We need a ignore button in this forum.

As said several times - stop taking the bait.

..and stop ignoring AMDs own factual numbers - your interpretation is your interpretation.

The financial market whoever disagrees - and most others seemingly as well.


Remember that

 

[AtenRa]

At least he provided a few benchs results why you are just
throwing numbers out of thin air..

I didnt read nowhere that the 8350 was better only in 1%
of the benchs , only in your unsubstancied post. , so , yes ,
you can talk of trolling.:biggrin:

Every time someone links benchmarks that show the FX8350 is faster, there are people saying that's cherry picking, those are 1% of software used etc etc. Same with gaming, you can show them 8-10 games where the FX will produce more than 60fps and then they will say thats cherry picking, FX sucks in Skyrim

 

[Abwx]

Abwx, I agree with you. These Intel/NVidia posters are used to bashing AMD in AMD threads. I only said that if an Intel/NVidia poster(s) doesn't like AMD thread, then just stay away from the AMD thread.

One fan of Intel/NVidia was equating the words "stay away" equal to censorship. That isn't censorship. I don't like Intel/NVidia products due to ethical reasons. That is my choice. It has nothing to do with censorship.

Most (but not all) posts in AMD threads by an Intel/NVidia poster are AMD bashing or pro-AMD poster(s) bashing posts. They even bash AMD without provoking. I don't know what is wrong with these people.

I find AMD posters honest and intelligent. I respect most pro-AMD posters on this and the other sites.

I think some people have herd mentality. It might be difficult for some people to control themselves.

I know what is going on in their head. It isn't anyone else's job to fix them. Some of them are very educated people.

I workerd for a Professor who had a PhD degree and who was like that. He even committed suicide for something meaningless. That was his choice and no one else could stop him. Most of the graduate students knew his troubles. I always ignored him.

We need a ignore button in this forum.

Your post make fully sense.

As for the usual bashers , i wont elaborate much , let s say
that they see their computing gears as an extension of their
sexuality , just like with cars , and that generaly the more
graduated the less prone to such basic behaviour.

AMD supporter by there are generaly more knowledgeable
than Intel afficionados , that s why you ll forcibly see
a deaf dialogue between people discussing technical facts
while others are there only to claim a way or another how
their (intel) CPU is great , i.e , intel is great and so , as an
intel user , i m great as well...

It is as miserable as this , mind you...

 

[Nemesis 1]

Thank you, Sir. That is the same thing I was telling to the Moderator IDC. All Intel/NVidia posters jump on any pro-AMD poster.

It is better if we stay on topic and not attack the poster. I will do that. I was afraid that Intel/NVidia posters want to ban any pro-AMD poster. You will see the attitude of some Intel/NVidia posters after reading a few AMD threads.

I only read AMD threads on this site. I don't want to read any Intel thread.

I also find that pro-AMD posters are honest people and I respect them, i.e., inf64 and many many others. That is enough.

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