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Elixer

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http://seekingalpha.com/news/2231386-amd-up-1_8-percent-ah-in-spite-of-light-guidance
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AMD up 1.8% AH in spite of light guidance

AMD expects Q1 revenue to be down 15% Q/Q (+/- 3%). At the midpoint, that implies revenue of $1.05B, well below a $1.2B consensus. But with shares having made fresh 52-week lows earlier today - they closed regular trading down 6.3% - investors are cutting the company some slack.

Q4 computing/graphics (PC CPU/GPU) sales -25% Y/Y to $662M (share loss), with an op. loss of $56M. Enterprise, embedded, and semi-custom sales -17% to $577M (lower console-related shipments), with an op. profit of $109M.

Gross margin fell 100 bps Q/Q and Y/Y to 34%. Thanks to job cuts, R&D spend fell 19% Y/Y to $238M, and MG&A spend 15% to $144M. Free cash flow was $94M.

AMD ended Q4 with $1.04B in cash/marketable securities, and $2.21B in debt.
 

AnandThenMan

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AMD settled because AMD was almost bankrupt at the time. Had AMD more cash (for example, not having burned all the cash they can for acquiring ATI) they would have settled in much better terms. The ATI acquisition paid in cash was a disaster of epic proportions for AMD.
Wrong on all counts.
 

III-V

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Owch.

And 2015 isn't going to bring much relief. They're launching a ridiculous 300W GPU and, erm, that's about it as far as potentially profitable products go.

Samsung merger in 3, 2, 1...
I don't know why people think AMD's new flagship GPU is going to actually draw 300W... at this point, even AMD doesn't have its final specifications hammered down yet. And that engineer may have been just "sprucing up" his résumé.
 

Abwx

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Apr 2, 2011
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This ignorant garbage doesn't belong here. It's amazing the crap people are able to get away with, now that neither ViRGE or Mark spend much time around here.

It was totaly on point, how could Intel compete better in the low end segment that they are actualy doing thanks to contra revenues.?.

If they ask money for Cherry trail, will AMD be in a worse situation that being unable to sell low power chips due to said agressive policy.?.

It makes no doubt that AMD did lost a substancial pert of their revenue in the very segment where they did well not so long ago.
 

AnandThenMan

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I don't see why Samsung would want AMD, the only logical company to buy AMD is Intel. Otherwise whoever gets AMD loses the X86 patent rights, so flush down the APU business completely. Unless Samsung or someone else wants to go on a patent trolling exercise.
 

ninaholic37

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Nail in the coffin will be Intel 14nm on volumes and Cherry Trail. Those will dislodge AMD from its traditional niches in the bottom market. The GPU business is far smaller than the CPU business, and cheaper to maintain, the CPU business is not, widening the losses on the CPU business will wreak havoc in AMD's balance sheet.
Cherry Trail is a tick though.
 

Fjodor2001

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Feb 6, 2010
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The report is pointless. AMD's focus is on Zen and K12 @ 16/14 nm destined for 2016. Everyone knows they will have a tough time until that. They'll come back with a vengeance.
 

MiddleOfTheRoad

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Nail in the coffin will be Intel 14nm on volumes and Cherry Trail. Those will dislodge AMD from its traditional niches in the bottom market. The GPU business is far smaller than the CPU business, and cheaper to maintain, the CPU business is not, widening the losses on the CPU business will wreak havoc in AMD's balance sheet.

Ed: I think Lisa Su has one very important question to answer right now: Can AMD have a viable consumer CPU/SoC business?

Again, Debt didn't increase this quarter. Revenue came in at its projected levels. It just seem like another thread with a bunch of ***holes that are rooting for a total collapse that will never happen -- but love to talk about it month after month. AMD has shrunk it reliance on the PC industry. Will they make CPU's 5 years from now? I doubt it. They will likely continue to shrink the business and probably shutter divisions and layoff more people.... The company will look a lot different a decade from now. People have been predicting the death of Matrox, VIA and AMD for the past 20 years.... and none of them are probably going anywhere.

A lot of people have a short memory -- like ignoring 2007, When AMD was losing around $500 million every quarter. 2014 pales by comparison. "This is the Voice of Doom speaking! Special Bulletin! Flash! The Sky is Falling."
 

Elixer

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I don't see why Samsung would want AMD, the only logical company to buy AMD is Intel. Otherwise whoever gets AMD loses the X86 patent rights, so flush down the APU business completely. Unless Samsung or someone else wants to go on a patent trolling exercise.
Intel can't buy out AMD, it is as simple as that.
That is why sammy could.
I can see sammy wanting to get better GPU for their phones/tablets on the cheap, and they could also have a design team for ARM related stuff as a bonus, so they don't need x86.

Then again, I am betting other companies are eyeing AMD now, they still have some good tech. I bet China would love to be able to buy them out if they could.
 

AnandThenMan

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The report is pointless. AMD's focus is on Zen and K12 @ 16/14 nm destined for 2016. Everyone knows they will have a tough time until that. They'll come back with a vengeance.

I don't think they will last that long, we are talking 1.5 years realistically before they have in theory class leading products, and then it takes time for sales to accumulate. Hope I'm wrong, unlike several people in this thread who can't wait for AMD to go bankrupt.
Intel can't buy out AMD, it is as simple as that.

At one point this was true, now with ARM being much more prevalent I don't see it as near the issue it once was.
 
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Surprisingly, the stock is up slightly in after hours trading after the earnings report. I think a bad report had already been factored in.
 

Abwx

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A lot of people have a short memory -- like ignoring 2007, When AMD was losing around $500 million every quarter. 2014 pales by comparison.

Dont know for 2007 but for last quarter most of the loss is purely technical, due to charge impairement, and wont burn any cash, so the numbers are not even comparable.
 

ShintaiDK

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Surprisingly, the stock is up slightly in after hours trading after the earnings report. I think a bad report had already been factored in.

Yep. Stocks dropped from ~2.65 to ~2.25 last 7 days.

Currently after hours is 0.00%(tapdances alot over and under 0%) and a 6.28% drop during the day.
 

AnandThenMan

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Surprisingly, the stock is up slightly in after hours trading
Not really surprising, some are hoping to buy in when the stock is at a very low point. Good strategy usually but this time I dunno, makes me nervous. I'll hold onto the share I have and see what happens.
 

MiddleOfTheRoad

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I don't see why Samsung would want AMD, the only logical company to buy AMD is Intel. Otherwise whoever gets AMD loses the X86 patent rights, so flush down the APU business completely. Unless Samsung or someone else wants to go on a patent trolling exercise.

I could see a lot of companies that would want their GPU tech -- Samsung, Apple, perhaps even Microsoft to block Nintendo and Sony from using AMD technology for their next generation.

Right now, I agree -- I don't think their CPU tech is very valuable. In AMD's hobbled state, they could probably be purchased very cheap. Heck, Samsung looks to be buying Blackberry -- and that company is in arguably worse shape based on current marketshare.
 

Fjodor2001

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I don't think they will last that long, we are talking 1.5 years realistically before they have in theory class leading products, and then it takes time for sales to accumulate. Hope I'm wrong, unlike several people in this thread who can't wait for AMD to go bankrupt.


At one point this was true, now with ARM being much more prevalent I don't see it as near the issue it once was.

The AMD bashers have been predicting AMD's imminent death for the last 15-20 years. Yet another 1.5 year is nothing. Stay tuned.
 
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Wrong on all counts.

I dont know about negotiating for a better settlement, but paying 5 billion in cash for a company, and turning it into a combined company with a market cap of 2 billion would seem to qualify as a pretty serious disaster to me. Reverse midas touch.
 

pablo87

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I dont know about negotiating for a better settlement, but paying 5 billion in cash for a company, and turning it into a combined company with a market cap of 2 billion would seem to qualify as a pretty serious disaster to me. Reverse midas touch.

What they paid for ATI has little to do with recent events - AMD acquired ATI 9 years ago, not 9 months ago. What has ruined AMD these past 5 years is the WSA with Global Foundries.
 

MiddleOfTheRoad

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ShintaiDK

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I could see a lot of companies that would want their GPU tech -- Samsung, Apple, perhaps even Microsoft to block Nintendo and Sony from using AMD technology for their next generation.

Right now, I agree -- I don't think their CPU tech is very valuable. In AMD's hobbled state, they could probably be purchased very cheap. Heck, Samsung looks to be buying Blackberry -- and that company is in arguably worse shape based on current marketshare.

I cant see Samsung or anyone else have any interest in AMD in its current state. Nobody wants to do another ATI. Specially not with 9600 employees you dont have much use for. And the IP will be cheap enough down the road. Imagination Technologies is my best guess for the IP.

Blackberry is a completely different case. Samsung is essentially buying users.
 

MiddleOfTheRoad

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I dont know about negotiating for a better settlement, but paying 5 billion in cash for a company, and turning it into a combined company with a market cap of 2 billion would seem to qualify as a pretty serious disaster to me. Reverse midas touch.

I doubt anyone would argue that AMD didn't grossly overpay for ATi. Even the most ardent fans. As I have mentioned in previous threads -- I really wish they had purchased 3DFX, XGI or S3 for considerably less money if they wanted to integrate graphics into the die.
 

mrmt

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What they paid for ATI has little to do with recent events - AMD acquired ATI 9 years ago, not 9 months ago. What has ruined AMD these past 5 years is the WSA with Global Foundries.

And why did they have to rush to sell their assets to Globalfoundries the way they did?
 

ShintaiDK

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What they paid for ATI has little to do with recent events - AMD acquired ATI 9 years ago, not 9 months ago. What has ruined AMD these past 5 years is the WSA with Global Foundries.

Its the chain of events. Without the ATI purchase you wouldnt see the 20 year WSA today with GloFo.
 

Sweepr

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Rumours suggest Samsung is developing their own custom CPU/GPU cores right now and the first products using these SoCs will launch this year, they don't need AMD.
 
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