Just Google the top line of the slide.
The buyer of AMD is prohibited from using Intel x86 IP is that illegal as well?
Just Google the top line of the slide.Perhaps because nothing else is required?
Like maybe a source?
The buyer of AMD is prohibited from using Intel x86 IP is that illegal as well?Wrong. This would not be legal.
Wrong. This would not be legal.
Again you are wrong. This is illegal.Intel has its own set IA-64, so the new AMD owner, if it has enough money, can forbid the use of x86-64 to Intel.
Nope. The agreement only grants use of the cross license agreement to the surviving party. The new buyer would need to negotiate a new agreement with the survivor.The buyer of AMD is prohibited from using Intel x86 IP is that illegal as well?
Again you are wrong. This is illegal.
Intel already has a cross license agreement with AMD for this IP and a new buyer of AMD cannot take that away.
Nope. The agreement only grants use of the cross license agreement to the surviving party. The new buyer would need to negotiate a new agreement with the survivor.
Nope. The agreement only grants use of the cross license agreement to the surviving party. The new buyer would need to negotiate a new agreement with the survivor.
Intel has IA-64. There is the alternative.
Mark my words. The buyer of AMD will keep making x86 chips and Intel will do nothing about it. They will avoid even talking about it like the plague, for fear of any word being construed as attempt to interfere with competition and costing them billions of dollars. Their best approach is to keep their mouth shut and passively maintain uncertainty over competitor's IP situation. Because this is a user it and lose it situation for them. Their best bet is to have a high margin competitor like Qualcomm buy AMD, because they are less likely to get into a price war, forcing Intel to cut their margins. If they try to stop the buyer from making x86 chips, then all bets are off. They will likely be fined 10 or 11 figures, and worse for them, forced to license x86 on FRAND terms, and then Mediateks of this world will drag their margins into the toilet. With this hanging over their head, any licensing agreement will be a fig leaf at best, where Intel will get nothing but preservation of status quo.All this talk of x86 patents is patently false. Unless I am grossly misunderstanding the patent legalese, they are only valid for a max of 20 years. So the basic x86 patents should already be available to anyone in this regard.
However modern CPUs have evolved far beyond the limits of basic x86 IP and any company wishing to compete in this arena would need licensing to most of Intel's IP portfolio, which is why Intel and AMD have cross license agreements.
Your vision of the world's justice departments dropping the hammer on Intel for not giving their portfolio away to anyone who asks for it is laughable. Do you see them going after other companies for not licensing their IP? Hint: think Apple. Besides there are many other CPU architectures out there. x86 is not the only one.
Also, I have read through an old cross license agreement between Intel and AMD and there are clear provisions for in the event one company goes out of business, bankruptcy, or is bought out. In the event AMD goes poof Intel will still retain full use of their licensed patents and any buyer will be forced by law into a reasonable license agreement with Intel. So this talk about Intel losing the 64 bit license is not realistic.
I fully expect Intel would not hesitate to enter into another cross license agreement with an AMD buyer but it would have to be to Intel's benefit. It is unlikely it could be forced upon them as you imply.
Mark my words. The buyer of AMD will keep making x86 chips and Intel will do nothing about it. They will avoid even talking about it like the plague, for fear of any word being construed as attempt to interfere with competition and costing them billions of dollars. Their best approach is to keep their mouth shut and passively maintain uncertainty over competitor's IP situation. Because this is a user it and lose it situation for them. Their best bet is to have a high margin competitor like Qualcomm buy AMD, because they are less likely to get into a price war, forcing Intel to cut their margins. If they try to stop the buyer from making x86 chips, then all bets are off. They will likely be fined 10 or 11 figures, and worse for them, forced to license x86 on FRAND terms, and then Mediateks of this world will drag their margins into the toilet. With this hanging over their head, any licensing agreement will be a fig leaf at best, where Intel will get nothing but preservation of status quo.
Intel = x86 and AMD = x86-64 (it's just a set of instructions, and AMD is the owner)
The new buyer of AMD can forbid the use of x86-64 to Intel.
I suspect this as well. But I don't think there will ever be a buyer for AMD, what in my view will happen is AMD will become less and less relevant to the point where they declare bankruptcy and the pieces sold off.Mark my words. The buyer of AMD will keep making x86 chips and Intel will do nothing about it.
Mark my words. The buyer of AMD will keep making x86 chips and Intel will do nothing about it. They will avoid even talking about it like the plague, for fear of any word being construed as attempt to interfere with competition and costing them billions of dollars. Their best approach is to keep their mouth shut and passively maintain uncertainty over competitor's IP situation. Because this is a user it and lose it situation for them. Their best bet is to have a high margin competitor like Qualcomm buy AMD, because they are less likely to get into a price war, forcing Intel to cut their margins. If they try to stop the buyer from making x86 chips, then all bets are off. They will likely be fined 10 or 11 figures, and worse for them, forced to license x86 on FRAND terms, and then Mediateks of this world will drag their margins into the toilet. With this hanging over their head, any licensing agreement will be a fig leaf at best, where Intel will get nothing but preservation of status quo.
LOL. Utter nonsense.
Yes I'm sure Intel will just give up all rights to their IP while getting nothing in return. You can mark your words all you want but it doesn't make it so.Mark my words. The buyer of AMD will keep making x86 chips and Intel will do nothing about it. They will avoid even talking about it like the plague, for fear of any word being construed as attempt to interfere with competition and costing them billions of dollars. Their best approach is to keep their mouth shut and passively maintain uncertainty over competitor's IP situation. Because this is a user it and lose it situation for them. Their best bet is to have a high margin competitor like Qualcomm buy AMD, because they are less likely to get into a price war, forcing Intel to cut their margins. If they try to stop the buyer from making x86 chips, then all bets are off. They will likely be fined 10 or 11 figures, and worse for them, forced to license x86 on FRAND terms, and then Mediateks of this world will drag their margins into the toilet. With this hanging over their head, any licensing agreement will be a fig leaf at best, where Intel will get nothing but preservation of status quo.
I suspect this as well. But I don't think there will ever be a buyer for AMD, what in my view will happen is AMD will become less and less relevant to the point where they declare bankruptcy and the pieces sold off.
I'd like to be wrong and AMD finds a buyer, the Intel monopoly has really stifled progress in processors.
They are getting more than nothing. No government regulators coming down on them is a huge deal.Yes I'm sure Intel will just give up all rights to their IP while getting nothing in return.
If so then it makes little sense why no one has snapped them up.Too many startegic patents. AMD is a tasty loot.
Why would any new buyer of AMD continue to make x86 chips?
How have the previous non-Intel makers of x86 chips done?
Think IBM, VIA, AMD.
What's more, are they going to spend 5 years to produce an x86 chip they hope will compete with Intel?
Try being rational, not emotional.
Meanwhile Spreadtrum and Rockchip have access to Intel x86 archs ...
What they paid for ATI has little to do with recent events - AMD acquired ATI 9 years ago, not 9 months ago. What has ruined AMD these past 5 years is the WSA with Global Foundries.
That's highly debatable... hence the discussion almost 10 years later.People need to get over the ATI purchase already. That was so long ago now and without that purchase AMD would be so far behind on everything they would have ceased to exist years ago.
Wow, the vitriol in this thread. The AMD fans sure are taking this one hard!
I imagine they are showing their frustration because it's undeniable what the future holds for AMD, and it isn't success.
See, and for a lot of other people, it's the exact opposite -- the writing on the wall, for them, says that AMD is doomed. There's quite an ideological dichotomy.That's exactly the talk that stirs the pot. I'm pretty confident that AMD will be successful in the future
Why would Qualcomm want to make x86 chips. Its directly against their business concept. Not to mention all the cash they need to spend for it to make it competitive.
And you dont have to buy a company to get employees.