You're all just of bunch of haters. What will you do when AMD isn't around to give Intel competition?
Take in care something: AMD dies, nVIDIA leaves the x86 market soon after since Intel would start to find a way to lock nVILINK and nerf PCI-e and since they are with the US government, they won't be sued at least initially. Also nVIDIA knows that the dGPU market is slowly dying and without competition, they won't continue the situation like that. They are moving too. They are going Post PC too. They won't waste time on a market who is about to die and without competition, they know that they won't last long enough.
Also it means the death of GloFo (yeah, AMD dies, they do too) and a MASSIVE defeat of Samsung, Khronos (Vulkan) , Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft since the first will lose a key client, the 2nd will lose a BIG supporter, the 3er will lose their only CHEAP way to enter to the current graphics market (they won't move to Intel or nVIDIA, so they will be Power PC all over again and you know how they looks on that), Sony will lose a lot of boost and since they won't move to Intel... maybe they go ARM...
And Microsoft simply leave for real the Console World since Intel is about to enter to that world too and they have other priorities. Even more, since XBox One didn't sold well and is still NOT selling in most countries, seems that this is the last generation from MS on the console world, also they started to focus on PC world again.
Even more, that will mark a defeat of VIA since they need a mid tier competitor to stay alive, without them, Intel will likely to revoke their x86 licence.
If AMD does go under, i will weep in sorrow :'(
But... that will also mean we will see the US antitrust division splitting both Intel and Nvdia apart. Oh boy, won't that be fun to watch
When was the last time AMD legitimately challenged AMD with competition?
Wouldn't happen, sorry to burst your bubble. Intel is not even close to dominant in the worldwide market for computer processors these days as the ARMy is so keen to point out.
Same w/ NV -- they are waaaayyy below others as far as GPU shipments go.
This makes as much sense as saying coca cola will compete with McDonald in the fast food industry lol. Who's there to compete against intel in the x86 market? Until we see ARM servers and PCs, it is unlikely.
So it seems that the announced 40% IPC improvement was a very conservative estimation, by now they have real silicon and certainly also real numbers..
They don't have real silicon. They don't even have samples yet. Listen to the call.
They forcibly have some since november, Polaris was silicon taped out earlier, otherwise it couldnt had been demoed recently, two months wouldnt had been enough to debug the chip and etch a single revision at GF.
At the end your statements are completely out of tune in respect of industry delays and sound more like exorcism of a fear than as a logical reflexion..
I suggest Admin to establish a Finance category to manage topic like this thread, because finance and CPU-tech topic is not even closed to each other.
Also, sneaky, sneaky AMD...they put the Zen CPU IPC uplift in the DATA CENTER column, not the client PC column, and are now claiming >40% IPC uplift. Last CPU AMD had in the DATA CENTER was Piledriver based.
Never short of words when it comes to bash AMD, hey..?..
Does change nothing, it s more than competive, you can look at the competition, all their highest scores are achieved with high TDPs, to the point that NBC discard Prime 95 for some Intel based laptops.
Yeah, OK. AMD's CFO said in December that Zen hadn't taped out and told investors to listen for this key milestone. Given the piss-poor financial results AMD just announced and guided to and the beating that the stock is about to take, don't you think they would have reassured investors that they had working chips and that
the performance is super duper?
The fact that they didn't say that is very likely indication that it's not true.
Also, sneaky, sneaky AMD...they put the Zen CPU IPC uplift in the DATA CENTER column, not the client PC column, and are now claiming >40% IPC uplift. Last CPU AMD had in the DATA CENTER was Piledriver based.
It s not in a CFO s role to give infos about products release dates...
Now we know that Polaris will be released in summer 2016
Zen being released a few months later mandate having silicon currently as it s a product that is vastly different from previous CPUs contrary to the new GPUs.
Lol, this is typicaly a perception of yours, i think that you would say otherwise with the same words coming from another certain firm...
Nope, they tested both single and dual-channel. And the 10 x 9 result is with dual-channel.
Haterade :sneaky:
Isn't Bristol Ridge limited to relatively slow DDR4 though? 2400?
When was the last time AMD legitimately challenged AMD with competition?
CFO better know all about tape outs given that there is a pretty significant operating expense increase associated with taping out a major CPU design.
Yep, looking like good execution from RTG so far.
Zen isn't a "few months later." They are saying SAMPLES for Zen-based server CPUs in 2016 with production volumes in 2017. For Summit Ridge they're claiming late 2016, which probably means Q4 and I'd bet the tail end of it at this point.
I rip on Intel quite often on these very forums. Just bring up "Intel mobile" or "Intel Atom" and I'd be happy to show you just how harsh on the company I can be
That said, you WON'T see me ripping on their desktop/server CPUs because guess what? They're best in class, excellent performance and power and only a select few people routinely try to spread FUD about how Intel chips are actually terrible but that the whole world is being hoodwinked by "amazing marketing."
Joke's on you, dude:
The humiliation is that Carrizo is a 28nm planar product and its competitive at low power environments of 15W TDP against Intels 14nm FinFet products.
If you take off the AMD and Intel words in the sentence, you would truly marvel the engineering work and technology involved to achieve such a thing.
Spin it like a DJ, AtenRa
Yea im good at telling things exactly the way they are. You know very well that if Carrizo was an Intel product it would sell like a champ and you would cheerleader at how amazing technology Intel has to design and produce such a chip at 28nm planar process when others need two FinFet process advantages to compete.
Nope, if AMD were fielding SKL and Intel were fielding Carrizo, it would be an absolute disaster for Intel. Interestingly, this is exactly the situation that Intel faces in the mobility market. Intel has a worse overall architecture and is behind in process (22nm in phones v.s. 14nm from competitors).
The humiliation is that Carrizo is a 28nm planar product and its competitive at low power environments of 15W TDP against Intels 14nm FinFet products
This makes as much sense as saying coca cola will compete with McDonald in the fast food industry lol. Who's there to compete against intel in the x86 market? Until we see ARM servers and PCs, it is unlikely.