AMD Quarterly Report Discussion Thread

jpiniero

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Computing Solutions was down 20% YoY.

Yes, it really does look like the console deals (& Wall Street's addiction to junk bonds) saved AMD for now.

Edit: And Wall Street is pissed, down 16% in after hours
 

SAAA

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Sad. Competitors needed. Anyone, help them! (throws money at screen)
 

Phynaz

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For so many years have they been saying they will be profitable with $1.3B of revenue per quarter. And yet they still aren't.
 

mrmt

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Yes, it really does look like the console deals (& Wall Street's addiction to junk bonds) saved AMD for now.

That's the only healthy business at AMD. They lost market share again to Intel, and given that the PC market is reacting they should have lost market share to Nvidia as well. This in a quarter where they launched new products, which should have generated good sales because of the inventory build up from OEMs. Next quarter, if their sales predictions are to be believed, they also will lose market share to Intel.

This quarter I won't even bother with the Q&A, they do not have anything new to show and nothing new to explain. We should see a lot of RR tap dancing and that's it.
 
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That's the only healthy business at AMD. They lost market share again to Intel, and given that the PC market is reacting they should have lost market share to Nvidia as well. This in a quarter where they launched new products, which should have generated good sales because of the inventory build up from OEMs. Next quarter, if their sales predictions are to be believed, they also will lose market share to Intel.

This quarter I won't even bother with the Q&A, they do not have anything new to show and nothing new to explain. We should see a lot of RR tap dancing and that's it.

They blamed bitcoin mining machine softness for some of the desktop MPU declines. Unbelievable.
 
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Pretty typical. Doing well - we are great. Not doing well - it's not our fault.

This is why they unveiled K12. They know that the next year or two is going to be very difficult financially so they put out a beacon of hope for investors to keep their attention on.
 

mrmt

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They blamed bitcoin mining softness for some of the desktop MPU declines. Unbelievable.

Yes... I remember how annoying AMD Q&A can be when management starts to tap dancing.

Q: Rory, what's your CPU roadmap?

A: We plan a multi-prongued ambidextrous heterogeneous semi custom approach to our company, we are in the middle the transformation.

Q: Lisa, what's your plans for when Intel deploys 14nm chips.

A: We plan to use face recognition technology with our APUs in order to provide value to customers.

Yaaaawn
 
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Yes... I remember how annoying AMD Q&A can be when management starts to tap dancing.

Q: Rory, what's your CPU roadmap?

A: We plan a multi-prongued ambidextrous heterogeneous semi custom approach to our company, we are in the middle the transformation.

Q: Lisa, what's your plans for when Intel deploys 14nm chips.

A: We plan to use face recognition technology with our APUs in order to provide value to customers.

Yaaaawn

I wish you were joking, but you're not.

They talked about the potential for further opex reductions during the next 12-24 months. I do not know how they can reconcile this with the claims that they will be moving to the 14/16nm FinFET nodes in 2016 (which is still fairly aggressive relative to the other fabless companies). I just don't see how they can afford to keep pace.

Perhaps I am missing something; would appreciate your thoughts on this.
 

NostaSeronx

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They talked about the potential for further opex reductions during the next 12-24 months. I do not know how they can reconcile this with the claims that they will be moving to the 14/16nm FinFET nodes in 2016 (which is still fairly aggressive relative to the other fabless companies). I just don't see how they can afford to keep pace.

Perhaps I am missing something; would appreciate your thoughts on this.
The 14-nm and 16-nm nodes from GlobalFoundries and TSMC are 20-nm FinFETs. 20-nm bulk then 20-nm FinFETs, same node generation different FETs. Then, around late 2017 / early 2018, AMD will move onto true 14-nm FinFETs called 10-nm FinFETs. There will be a split at the 7-nm node for the pure play foundries; Tunnel FETs, Carbon Nanotube(Big bias for this one), FinFETs, SOI FinFETs(GAA/Omega).

Intel plans to do this with the 10-nm node with FinFETs and Carbon Nanotubes. ~10-nm FinFET to ~10-nm Carbon Nanotube, same node generation different FETs.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Intel plans to do this with the 10-nm node with FinFETs and Carbon Nanotubes. ~10-nm FinFET to ~10-nm Carbon Nanotube, same node generation different FETs.

Where has Intel said ANYTHING about production chips being based on Carbon Nanotubes?
 

mrmt

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I wish you were joking, but you're not.

They talked about the potential for further opex reductions during the next 12-24 months. I do not know how they can reconcile this with the claims that they will be moving to the 14/16nm FinFET nodes in 2016 (which is still fairly aggressive relative to the other fabless companies). I just don't see how they can afford to keep pace.

Perhaps I am missing something; would appreciate your thoughts on this.

We've been talking here on this forum about them dropping a product line or two and I think that time will eventually come for their big core line. AMD simply cannot afford three CPU pipelines (ARM, x86 big and x86 small) and three CPU platform pipelines.

What they should be planning to do is to consolidate their x86 line around a single core. Given that what gives them "semi-custom" business is the small core line, which is the line that sustains the CPU business and has better conditions to fight Intel and their future AIM is commonality with their ARM chip (IP reuse), I think that x86 K12 will have a scope much closer to their small core line than to their big core line, which makes their big core line the prime candidate to be shut down after development of Carrizo is completed. We should be talking about projects of a much more limited scope than their original big core line and correspondently smaller teams, so even if they shift the big core teams to ARM or the x86 k12 team, there will be some redundancies.

The platform consolidation they are planning to do with their project Skybridge should lead to some other redundancies.

The shift to 16nm finfet isn't too far fetched if they go straight to 16nm, skipping 20nm on their MPU and only moving their TSMC GPUs to this node. Given that GLF 20nm is a late mess with effectively 0 customers adopting it, I don't think that skipping it is such a bad deal.
 

NostaSeronx

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Where has Intel said ANYTHING about production chips being based on Carbon Nanotubes?
Intel is doing pre-emptive tooling at Ireland and Arizona for Carbon Nanotubes + EUV + 1.5D BEOL. So, there will be a slow down in 14-nm and 10-nm FinFETs and 10-nm CNFETs will be early.
 
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The shift to 16nm finfet isn't too far fetched if they go straight to 16nm, skipping 20nm on their MPU and only moving their TSMC GPUs to this node. Given that GLF 20nm is a late mess with effectively 0 customers adopting it, I don't think that skipping it is such a bad deal.

I'd agree, but AMD has publicly announced ARM/small core X86 on 20nm.

If I had to guess, they may "launch" 16 FinFET K12 in 2016 in the same way that Temash "launched" in 2013.
 

mrmt

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I'd agree, but AMD has publicly announced ARM/small core X86 on 20nm.

If I had to guess, they may "launch" 16 FinFET K12 in 2016 in the same way that Temash "launched" in 2013.

AMD launch isn't an Intel launch. Intel launching an processor means that a few days later you might buy a product from a lot of places. AMD launching a processor means shipments to a few OEMs, and usually months until you can buy something.

If they did announce, then you should be probably right and we should be talking about 16FF being 2017.

Keep in mind that AMD under Rory Read is not really delivering things on targets, and it seems that they are not on cost too.
 

Homeles

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Intel is doing pre-emptive tooling at Ireland and Arizona for Carbon Nanotubes + EUV + 1.5D BEOL. So, there will be a slow down in 14-nm and 10-nm FinFETs and 10-nm CNFETs will be early.

Source? I'd be really interested in reading more about that.
 

SketchMaster

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Bought 40 shares of AMD @4.15 for a fun short sale on the off chance they'd pull a win. I totally missed my chance to sell at 4.75 and was too annoyed buy the MASSIVE drop in AMD to even care that my ford shares were kicking butt.

Not looking forward to watching that stock drop for the next few days, best I can hope is to reach 4 again and eat the loss; otherwise, wait for the next Q rush and sell off.
 
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