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MeldarthX

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HAHA that's AMDMatt's Set up in the UK - he had 2 295X2s before in quadfire - I'm trying to see if he'll lend me one

Honestly Fury X is being held back by drivers; why it looks all over the place. We'll really see it stretch it legs in DX12 - Honestly if I wasn't saving to move - I'd pick one up for next Deus Ex game
 

B-Riz

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Srsly, this is just trolling now.



The article did not say one card "won the race, game over, GTFO other card".



Get your effing 980 Ti to replace the sorry 680 setup and leave us alone.

That's a bit aggressive, this is a forum man either rebut or ignore not revenge trolling.

In the larger context, 2is has expressed dissatisfaction about buying the 680's with 2GB memory and the attendant limitations now, and being unhappy with it.

But, does not feel the need to replace the cards with nVidia or AMD vid cards, only show up to muck up AMD threads and offer nothing constructive or anecdotal; only to point out the obvious, argue semantics / black and white view points.

Past performance is indicative of future posting.

I am not going into any 980 Ti thread and nitpicking, it is a boss card, so the nitpicking in a sub-forum now is very troll like.

I'll take a demerit if so warranted.
 

B-Riz

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Enigmoid

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Does it hold the 1201 consistently across all games or do some get boosted more / less?

Because the 980 Ti specs say 1000 stock and 1075 boost.

http://maxwell.nvidia.com/gtx-980-ti

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-980-ti/specifications

1201 is a heck of a boost that was not disclosed, that I can find...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/16

Looks like [H]'s card was running a bit faster than average. Nvidia cards frequently run faster than boost.
 

YBS1

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Does it hold the 1201 consistently across all games or do some get boosted more / less?

Because the 980 Ti specs say 1000 stock and 1075 boost.

http://maxwell.nvidia.com/gtx-980-ti

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-980-ti/specifications

1201 is a heck of a boost that was not disclosed, that I can find...

Boost has always worked this way. 1000/1075 are your guaranteed clocks. You may get more depending upon your individual chips characteristics. For instance, if I recall correctly my Classifieds boost about ~100MHz over their already higher than default advertised clock rates.
 

B-Riz

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Boost has always worked this way. 1000/1075 are your guaranteed clocks. You may get more depending upon your individual chips characteristics. For instance, if I recall correctly my Classifieds boost about ~100MHz over their already higher than default advertised clock rates.

For posterity's sake, why not just lock the card at 1075 max boost, as that is what nVidia has on their site and then benchmark?

Anything beyond that should be OC comparisons.

I looked at the [H] 980 Ti review, and the numbers are lower in 4K versus what was presented in the Fury X review.

And every benchmark config is slightly different, even for the same game, so nothing can really be compared.

If there was some consistency to the testing, it would help paint a clearer picture, if drivers or boosting for the different 980 Ti numbers.
 

Udgnim

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looks like AMD needs more time to optimize drivers for HBM

http://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-graphics-card-reviewed/12

Crysis 3 at 4K

44 average FPS for Fury vs 34 average FPS for 290X

however, go to the bottom of the web page and click the "Beyond 50 ms" button and the chart says

303 for Fury X versus 84 for 290X for time spent between rendering frames beyond 50ms

so Fury X is dipping below 20FPS a whole lot more often than 290X
 

Enigmoid

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For posterity's sake, why not just lock the card at 1075 max boost, as that is what nVidia has on their site and then benchmark?

Anything beyond that should be OC comparisons.

I looked at the [H] 980 Ti review, and the numbers are lower in 4K versus what was presented in the Fury X review.

And every benchmark config is slightly different, even for the same game, so nothing can really be compared.

If there was some consistency to the testing, it would help paint a clearer picture, if drivers or boosting for the different 980 Ti numbers.

Because the card does not run 1075 mhz out of the box.

looks like AMD needs more time to optimize drivers for HBM

http://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-graphics-card-reviewed/12

Crysis 3 at 4K

44 average FPS for Fury vs 34 average FPS for 290X

however, go to the bottom of the web page and click the "Beyond 50 ms" button and the chart says

303 for Fury X versus 84 for 290X for time spent between rendering frames beyond 50ms

so Fury X is dipping below 20FPS a whole lot more often than 290X

There is one huge stutter for the Fury that is causing that.

TR's time spent numbers MUST be taken with a grain of salt.
 

monstercameron

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http://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-graphics-card-reviewed/4

don't know enough about GPU architecture and game rendering pipeline to understand whether Polygon throughput is what is limiting the Fury X or if it's something else

hopefully the Anandtech review might better explain some things whenever that comes out

from what i understand, nvidia focuses on large number of polygons -think batmans tesselated cape- while amd focuses on compute and shaders -read filters and effects, lighting etc.
 

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AMD Radeon R9 Fury X took the lead in the top class of single-processor accelerator (400-800 dollars), confidently beating the recently released single processor flagship NVIDIA - GeForce GTX 980 Ti. Moreover, in a number of tests R9 Fury X is at a much more expensive product from the premium segment - GTX Titan X. A 2-3 Fury X test performance even reached the level of Radeon R9 295X2 (of course, we are not talking about a low-resolution, where speed can be limited by the graphics card environment).
https://translate.google.com/transl...u=http://www.ixbt.com/video3/fiji-part3.shtml
 

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This URL was posted because of someone asking Brent, how his review comment about 4GB falling short on 1440p benchmark doesn't make much sense, when FuryX performs relatively better in the 4K tests of the same game. Brent's response is that the game was running so slow on the highest quality 4K settings, that he had to dial down the image quality, which must have reduced the VRAM usage, allowing FuryX to come closer.

If you look at all the results across the many review sites, we can see that FuryX is closest to 980Ti at 4K, and the performance difference increases (for the worse for FuryX), as you go down in resolution steps to 1600x900. Something is holding back FuryX, but it's very likely not VRAM limitation. 4K is actually where the FuryX is benchmarking the best.

The biggest problem is Brent's assumption, that VRAM usage numbers show the amount of VRAM *required* to run the game. That is, if a game takes up 5.2GB on a 6GB card, then that's what the game needs with those settings and resolution. It is a completely incorrect assumption. The memory management modules in game engines work in many different ways. Some employ high and low watermarks (which are based on percentage of available VRAM) to allow flexibility and some hysteresis in how data is swapped out to VRAM. So for instance, same game running on 6GB may have 5.2GB allocated where 2.6GB of data has been referenced in last 1000 frames or so, and maybe 1GB has not been referenced at all for a while. The engine is under no pressure to swap out the VRAM (indirectly of course by freeing up RAM or asking for more, since it's the driver's job to actually swap the data in or out) as high-watermark is not met. A 4GB VRAM card can run the same game perfectly fine at the same asset quality, and with minimum swaps to system RAM in the drivers.

Unless you have the driver or game profiling tool, it's not easy to determine how the loaded VRAM is in use. The only way available is largely empirical - that is testing out the game across different cards with different VRAM settings and same image quality and seeing where the actual VRAM cut off is by *noticing performance drops (frame rates and frame times)* between the cards and also across different resolutions.

I am, in no way saying that 6GB vs 4GB doesn't matter. It can and surely must do for few applications. However the current 4K results don't prove at all that the FuryX is limited by its VRAM in vast majority of tested games.
 
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KingFatty

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Maybe he has the understanding that his assumptions are correct unless *proven* wrong.

It would be nice if he approached it as not making an assumption because the burden is on the person making the assumption to prove it is correct.

VRAM usage is pretty easy to test, I'd think, by just using existing tools to show that 4 GB works the same as 6 GB, so if your tool shows you are using more than 4 GB on the 6 GB card, then the situation is as you describe.
 

Harrod

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So I'm guessing that there is no point in me getting rid of my 7970's at this point, would going to a fury X be considered a sidegrade?
 

raghu78

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looks like AMD needs more time to optimize drivers for HBM

Multiple reviewers have mentioned that drivers are holding back Fury.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...Fiji-Finally-Tested/Overclocking-Pricing-and-

"In the case of GTA V, one of the latest and most popular PC games with a heavy modding community, the GTX 980 Ti was 15-33% faster depending on the resolution in question. That is a hard performance gap to write off. (UPDATE: A couple of people have guessed that the GTA V performance deficit might be related to driver immaturity. That's definitely possible but still concerning considering GTA V is such a big PC game currently.)"

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...682-amd-r9-fury-x-review-fiji-arrives-22.html

"Normally a few hiccups could be overlooked but we’re talking about sub-optimal performance within one of AMD’s own “sponsored” engines in Frostbite and two of this year’s most popular games. To me, that points to two potential issues: one being immature drivers and the other being a lack of Render Back End resources which may be bottlenecking the architecture in some situations. However, both are purely speculation on my part but nonetheless there’s obviously something cutting off framerates at the knees in some titles. "


Its very frustrating that AMD has not learnt from the past launches. They needed to get Fury in the best shape they could from the software point of view. But again they have failed. Anyway AMD can redeem themselves if they make those improvements before R9 Nano launches as thats going to be the high volume product which will go up against GTX 980. If AMD can fix the glaring frametime inconsistencies and poor scaling over R9 390X in so many cases then there is hope. Otherwise they are only going to bleed further and suffer miserably :thumbsdown:

So I'm guessing that there is no point in me getting rid of my 7970's at this point, would going to a fury X be considered a sidegrade?

not now. Fury X is not ready yet imo. Wait for a few months and we will see Fury drivers mature and the supply become more consistent / steady. We don't know if AMD seems to be having teething issues with drivers for the new memory technology called HBM. But multiple reviews have pointed out that Fury drivers need improvement. So yeah I think the smart thing would be to wait it out and get a Fury X once drivers are polished.
 
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flopper

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Multiple reviewers have mentioned that drivers are holding back Fury.

question is, will this change when transition to windows 10 happen and have a better improvement scale in that OS? Might be what AMD done to optimize it heavily for win 10?
 

raghu78

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question is, will this change when transition to windows 10 happen and have a better improvement scale in that OS? Might be what AMD done to optimize it heavily for win 10?

That does not mean AMD can forget Windows 7 and Windows 8 users. Having good performance on Win7/Win8/Win10 is imperative. I think Fury drivers will improve over the next few months making it much more competitive with GM200. But for the time being Nvidia has the upper hand. AMD is always playing catchup and Nvidia is coasting towards a >80% market share and record revenue and profits.
 
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flopper

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That does not mean AMD can forget Windows 7 and Windows 8 users. Having good performance on Win7/Win8/Win10 is imperative. I think Fury drivers will improve over the next few months making it much more competitive with GM200.

Yea we have a time of transition obviously but for me as I jump to win 10 asap its more interesting how amd reason about this.
 

DeathReborn

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Weren't we hearing about AMD tweaking drivers for a few months prior to the launch of both the 300 series & Fiji?

It seems like a lot of people are done with hyping the card and are now hyping possible driver improvements in the future. On the whole the reviews haven't been great, worse than RTP & their supporters were hyping but not exactly bad either. AMD will sell whatever supply they have, I just don't think they have much supply.
 

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That does not mean AMD can forget Windows 7 and Windows 8 users. Having good performance on Win7/Win8/Win10 is imperative. I think Fury drivers will improve over the next few months making it much more competitive with GM200. But for the time being Nvidia has the upper hand. AMD is always playing catchup and Nvidia is coasting towards a >80% market share and record revenue and profits.



I think the whole windows 10 plan is way bigger than it seems. Xbox is partnering with every VR company they meet n the basis is win 10. They were at PC conference in e3 promoting(again ) win 10 n I am sure gears collection will need win 10.

They are giving win 10 1 year upgrade to just about everyone. And these companies(sony, MS, even nvidia n AMD) have a way to subtly push their newer products by slowing support to last Gen consoles or hardware. So, I don't think AMD will forget win7&8 but they surely won't be high on priority list since everyone is speculating that dx12 will make Fiji chip shine and hence both MS & AMD would want higher and higher win 10 acceptance in the market.

Just imo...
 

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So I'm guessing that there is no point in me getting rid of my 7970's at this point, would going to a fury X be considered a sidegrade?

Based on my own looking (hoping to move off my 7990), it does appear it is either side-grade or back a step. 980ti is basically a side-grade as well.

Looks like the wait continues.
 

B-Riz

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Multiple reviewers have mentioned that drivers are holding back Fury.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...Fiji-Finally-Tested/Overclocking-Pricing-and-

"In the case of GTA V, one of the latest and most popular PC games with a heavy modding community, the GTX 980 Ti was 15-33% faster depending on the resolution in question. That is a hard performance gap to write off. (UPDATE: A couple of people have guessed that the GTA V performance deficit might be related to driver immaturity. That's definitely possible but still concerning considering GTA V is such a big PC game currently.)"

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...682-amd-r9-fury-x-review-fiji-arrives-22.html

"Normally a few hiccups could be overlooked but we’re talking about sub-optimal performance within one of AMD’s own “sponsored” engines in Frostbite and two of this year’s most popular games. To me, that points to two potential issues: one being immature drivers and the other being a lack of Render Back End resources which may be bottlenecking the architecture in some situations. However, both are purely speculation on my part but nonetheless there’s obviously something cutting off framerates at the knees in some titles. "


Its very frustrating that AMD has not learnt from the past launches. They needed to get Fury in the best shape they could from the software point of view. But again they have failed. Anyway AMD can redeem themselves if they make those improvements before R9 Nano launches as thats going to be the high volume product which will go up against GTX 980. If AMD can fix the glaring frametime inconsistencies and poor scaling over R9 390X in so many cases then there is hope. Otherwise they are only going to bleed further and suffer miserably :thumbsdown:



not now. Fury X is not ready yet imo. Wait for a few months and we will see Fury drivers mature and the supply become more consistent / steady. We don't know if AMD seems to be having teething issues with drivers for the new memory technology called HBM. But multiple reviews have pointed out that Fury drivers need improvement. So yeah I think the smart thing would be to wait it out and get a Fury X once drivers are polished.

This has been my love / hate relationship with PC gaming since the 3DFX Voodoo days; hardware lives and dies by proper and proven drivers.

I remember having to wait for new PC Gamer cd's just for Voodoo graphics game patches...
 

maniacalpha1-1

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If there is going to be price movement downward, either by 980ti or Fury ($549 atm) or Fury X ($649 atm), how long will it take to materialize?

For my 1440p needs, I'm kind of guessing that I'd be happy with Fury (pending reading actual benchmarks), especially if the DX12 gains materialize at even a quarter of what is suggested. Thus - pricing at this point is what it's all going to be about.
 

monstercameron

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If there is going to be price movement downward, either by 980ti or Fury ($549 atm) or Fury X ($649 atm), how long will it take to materialize?

For my 1440p needs, I'm kind of guessing that I'd be happy with Fury (pending reading actual benchmarks), especially if the DX12 gains materialize at even a quarter of what is suggested. Thus - pricing at this point is what it's all going to be about.


From what I understand amd is trying to shift perspective and shed its image as a value brand, I don't think they will be doing many more fire sales or aggressive, reactionary price cuts.
 

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1440P I feel like a Nano could be something you would also want to take a look at.

Not exactly sure but...the Fury might end up being a bit "hotheaded". Will have to wait and see.

Either way...Nano will be above 290X/390X and also have 4GB of HBM.(At least if we trust AMDs word here...which I still kinda do)
 
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