AMD Radeon 6970/6950 Retail Pictured, released Dec 13-17, $500/$375 pricing

[SirPauly]

I can't neutrally consider this 'passion', though. Nor do I think that the sports analogy works. Why?

When I want the NY Jets to win (and I don't, for the record!) over the Patriots, I invest an emotional response in a sports game. If the Patriots are crushed 70-0 I can celebrate, feel an emotional high, identify with my team and then go home and make sweet love to my partner. I don't hope that the Patriots go bankrupt, or that their players are hit by a bus; I don't want them eliminated as such. I want the two teams to meet head on and produce a show for us fans. It's a spectator sport.

When it comes to video cards, though, we are talking about performance parts. A better analogy than sports teams would be vacuum cleaners. The behaviour often seen in video card forums is analogous to my joining a forum that discusses vacuum cleaners and posting hundreds and thousands of times pontificating as to why Dyson is far and away the best, even though their rival performs similarly. Worse, the analogy with some of the members of this forum (and others) would have to be: "I want the competitor of Dyson to fail, making people only have a choice to buy Dyson products, so Dyson will send me products for free to evaluate and so I can derive pleasure by deriding people who wanted another option other than Dyson to purchase. Dyson must reign supreme!"

That last bit reeks of bitterness, pettiness and so on. Certainly not 'passion'. In my humble opinion, of course.

Imho.


But the key difference is video cards bring enjoyment to someone like a sports team and some offer wild views like sports fans.

I enjoy 3d gaming and their technologies so much, desire AMD and nVidia both to do well, and right now in my glory. nVidia and AMD are both at around 50-50 share and both offering compelling choice and features for consumers. Sure, there is differentiation but this is healthy so consumers can best pick the product that fits their mind-set.

nVidia offered strong tessellation and strong DirectX 11 performance at times but their products were not as balanced as AMD's but still a compelling choice. The market spoke loud which one they liked considering AMD"s execution and balanced offerings top-to-bottom. IT was wonderful to see more balance from nVidia and hope that AMD's offering can top it -- to continue to bring strong competition and raise the bar again.

For all this wishing of AMD winning or nVidia winning, maybe someone may get their wish but that will spell doom for consumers based on it may slow down innovation and value.

 

[thilanliyan]

Only the misinformed did - everyone who saw the roadmap clearly saw it marked as midrange

Forgetful much?

Also:

http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/21128-radeon-hd-6970-is-10-20-faster-than-gtx-480

Surprise, surprise, guess who was wrong!



Now it's obvious who all the shills and trolls are

please forward this to happy so he can update his thread.

 

[Douglar]

But the key difference is video cards bring enjoyment to someone like a sports team and some offer wild views like sports fans.

Maybe it's more like rednecks debating Ford vs. Chevy.

 

[happy medium]

please forward this to happy so he can update his thread.

thats not my thread...

 

[Mistwalker]

thats not my thread...

Look back two posts, he's referring to your thread here with a thread title stating something now known to be false.

I see a chart with the 6970 beating a gtx 570 by 33% in the heaven bench

I dont believe it. Unless tessalation was off.?

I think we should talk about the content of the graphs, not whether or not they're true.

If the source really is Nvidia, then wow--maybe I was wrong about AMD taking a gradual approach to added tessellation power, they might just roar out of the gates this round. Or it could mean they optimized for current benchmarks, and performance in future titles is still a big question mark.

Only a few days until we have actual numbers from reliable sites!

 

[happy medium]

Look back two posts, he's referring to your thread here with a thread title stating something now known to be false.

nothing was proven false about those articles I posted. I'm not gonna change my thread because some guys goofed on the same site.

 

[digitaldurandal]

Well of course they do. NV will rain on AMDs parade with a minimum $100 price drop on the 580. Nothing else they can do.

You smoking something good over there? They wont drop the 580 by 100 bucks. Maybe 50 tops and I doubt theyll drop it at all yet.

 

[MangoX]

You smoking something good over there? They wont drop the 580 by 100 bucks. Maybe 50 tops and I doubt theyll drop it at all yet.

This Kush is gooood

 

[Skurge]

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1036548072&postcount=19

 

[Triggaaar]

Also:

http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/21128-radeon-hd-6970-is-10-20-faster-than-gtx-480

Surprise, surprise, guess who was wrong!

Oh bless them.

 

[Silverforce11]

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1036548072&postcount=19

Turbo button.. but i like the "clit" better. Press it to turn on your GPU to the max.

 

[Skurge]

Turbo button.. but i like the "clit" better. Press it to turn on your GPU to the max.

LOL!!!

 

[Will Robinson]

You don't press it...you rub it.
It's pretty cool anyway lol...."It's TURBO TIME!
With that and 2GB of on board VRAM....AMD delivers a big,fat shit sandwich to NVDA hehe :biggrin:


Profanity is not allowed in the technical forums.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[Wreckage]

Well it forced radical price adjustments to a 50%and a 100% larger GPU card (GTX460 and GTX470). The GPU costs for nvidia should be around 200% and 400% of Barts depending on yields.

I see this posted a lot. But no one can explain why AMD is making virtually no profit on their graphics division. In fact last quarter NVIDIA made more profit than AMD and ATI combined.

 

[Janooo]

I see this posted a lot. But no one can explain why AMD is making virtually no profit on their graphics division. In fact last quarter NVIDIA made more profit than AMD and ATI combined.

Only a few people know how AMD's intra-company accounting works and I guess they won't tell.

Edit: ... and I thought AMD graphics made about $140M in their last four quarters.

 

[MrK6]

Turbo button.. but i like the "clit" better. Press it to turn on your GPU to the max.

Lol! :awe: This is completely bad ass. It's good to see AMD listening to the enthusiast community and giving us what we want. I'm excited for the overclocking potential of this card.

 

[heflys]

I see this posted a lot. But no one can explain why AMD is making virtually no profit on their graphics division. In fact last quarter NVIDIA made more profit than AMD and ATI combined.

Yeah.....Riiiiiiiiigggghttt........

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:AMD&fstype=ii


http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NVDA&fstype=ii

 

[Arkadrel]

I see a chart with the 6970 beating a gtx 570 by 33% in the heaven bench

I dont believe it. Unless tessalation was off.?

the 69xx cards have more than 1 tessellation unit, and each of those is likely more powerfull than the 5870's are by a good bit.

It wouldnt be that far fetched to believe that the 69xx cards have better tessellation performance than the nvidia cards.

Personally i think that slide is made up stuff, to get more people to look at some page or spread rumors.
But the 6970 could be 35% stronger in tessellation than the 570, in benchmarks like heaven.

 

[Mistwalker]

In fact last quarter NVIDIA made more profit than AMD and ATI combined.

Source?

 

[Wreckage]

Source?

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19974
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19815

AMD lost $118 million. NVIDIA made $84.9 million.

 

[Mistwalker]

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19974
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19815

AMD lost $118 million. NVIDIA made $84.9 million.

Thanks, was having trouble understanding all the figures in heflys's post.

That does cut to the heart of it: ouch for AMD...

 

[heflys]

Thanks, was having trouble understanding all the figures in heflys's post.

That does cut to the heart of it: ouch for AMD...

Nvidia lost 141 million in the second quarter, and AMD actually made more overall money than Nvidia in the 3rd quarter. AMD's operating cost for the 3rd quarter analysis was 128 to Nvidia's 103. Operating revenue is the amount earned before taxes.


Furthermore, Nvidia's profit increase in the 3rd quarter was to be expected, since they had released the 400 series. AMD had incredible revenue when they released the 5000 series; as represented by the sharp increase shown in Google Finance for the 4th quarter of 2009. Don't be surprised to see AMD do well again after the complete release of its 6000 series.

 

[notty22]

Thanks, was having trouble understanding all the figures in heflys's post.

That does cut to the heart of it: ouch for AMD...

This article deals with AMD's graphic division for the 2nd and 3rd quarter where you might think things would look 'rosy'.
This proves they can't get in to a price war.
Their business model does not allow them.
Whether or not the die size effects cost in that it would allow them to sell lower. The amount of wafers they have is limited, which leads in to the argument, they sell every part so they don't have to lower prices.
They can't and turn a profit, imo.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/10/18/good-news-bad-news-for-nvidia.aspx

"It's no secret in the graphics card community that [AMD] has been wiping the floor with NVIDIA in some key segments of the market. Yet the company saw operating profits in the segment fall from $47 million last quarter to just $33 million in the current quarter. AMD blamed a higher mix of less-profitable notebook cards and parts shortages for declining profitability, but I'd like to see better results when the company is at such a strong competitive standpoint in midrange cards."
Well, if I wasn't impressed with $33 million, you better believe I think last quarter's $1 million operating profit on $392 million in sales is a fly in the company's ointment. AMD might be dominating areas like graphics cards in notebooks, but what good are these gains if they're too aggressively priced to meaningfully add to the bottom line?

 

[tincart]

Some pics of the 6970

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4661875&postcount=2558

 

[Arkadrel]

Nice picture Tincart, powercolor went with a angel in red battle armor and a greatsword. Wont Amd be able to tell who leaked the picture by the stuff readable on the card?