I think a lot of people here underestimate GTX580's performance (based on TPU's benchmarks of old games), and haven't carefully compared GTX580 vs. HD6970 in the same games AMD uses in their slidedeck. Also, let's add that GTX580 overclocks another 21%.
Apoopin wrote:Say Hi to Rollo for us...hope he has proof read(and approved) your new review or NV HQ may be miffed....:whiste:
The biggest news is today is probably the fan off at idle AND the new revised specs for the 7950, only 28 CU vs 32, its a perf shortage that cannot be recovered (as easily) with overclocking like in previous generations, since each CU cluster of SP is now 100% efficient unlike VLIW.
I like many others suffered through the whole Apoppin/Rollo/Jethro 2900XT love/hate fest over at Rage3D.Mark is one of the few people that was touting AMD when it was a 2900XT. Most of us rolled our eyes at that piece of garbage, but he soldiered on. So, don't tell me he has an nVidia BIAS. He likes both companies.
Again, if you don't like him - fine, but to accuse him of BIAS is silly. Just start reading the posts of his in the past. You'll find he often defends AMD/ATI and nVidia. How can that be? Because, again, he likes both.
The biggest news is today is probably the fan off at idle AND the new revised specs for the 7950, only 28 CU vs 32, its a perf shortage that cannot be recovered (as easily) with overclocking like in previous generations, since each CU cluster of SP is now 100% efficient unlike VLIW.
Bigger perf gap = product differentiation. I guess they finally caught on that their 5850 and 6950 was seriously cannibalizing sales of their bigger brother.
Well, all indications are that the clusters include the ROPs in GCN.
Presumably, this would mean that successfully unlocking a cluster would get you 4 ROPs + 16 TMUs + 256 SPs, or equivalent specs to the 7970.
I just wouldn't be so confident in the ability to unlock at this stage in the game. Maybe 6 months from now when processes are more mature, but this early in the 28nm launch, we're going to see many of these being legitimate waterfall of defective 7970s.
Especially at launch, when volume of 7970 vs. 7950 will likely be higher than any other time. Once the initial demand for the 70 cards dies down, you'll probably be luckier in finding working 70 version dies in 50 version cards. Still, demand for the 7970 relative to the 7950 will likely be higher than the 6970 vs. 6950 demand just due to the fact that the 7970 will likely hold the performance crown for a while and that will have some people buying the 7970s just because it's the best available. That's something you don't see when you look at 6970 / 6950... if they want the best available, they're most likely going to be moving to the 580.
He keeps bashing on AMD users, lmao.
For what? because people dont love his artical that read like a charlie piece? full of bitter hatre towards amd?
(charlies is just towards nvidia, only differnce)
AMD does it again, they put out a good product, shoot themselves in the foot with messaging it, and manage to leave a bad taste in everyones mouth. Welcome a new crop of Llano CPUs, and quite possibly the greasiest naming convention since Intels iSomethingmeaningless and Nvidias G8x infinite renames
Apoopin wrote:Say Hi to Rollo for us...hope he has proof read(and approved) your new review or NV HQ may be miffed....:whiste:
Bigger perf gap = product differentiation. I guess they finally caught on that their 5850 and 6950 was seriously cannibalizing sales of their bigger brother.
@ArchAngel777
Go read his latest artical (that preview peice of his), and what he wrote from page 43 on in this thread. Tell me that isnt biased.
It reads like a charlie peice, just with hatred towards amd instead of nvidia.
And Appopins peices have been that way for sometime I feel, haveing read afew of his from time to time.
maybe back in the day, he wasnt biased towards nvidia, but he sure sounds like it now.
When was the last time you said anything positive about any NV graphics card? I don't recall such an instance. Accusing someone of the professional writing community to be sponsored by NV HQ is a bit extreme, don't you think?
That was me and rightfully so because you guys are throwing personal attacks at him.@OVerLoRDI
go back to page 43 and read there.
Then people read it, and comment its nothing but negative sping from Appopin in it, and based on his own speculation.
Apperntly its that way because he didnt get a card to review.
So it reads like "bitter hatred" from him (something unlike charlie he apperntly doesnt do).
He says he doesnt like Radeon users, so hes rarely here anymore.
At which point AnandThenMan post this:
to which Appopin re:
Then we get you calling people Douchbages. Which isnt helping the situation.
If anything it sounds like Appopin is in the wrong here.
He keeps bashing on AMD users, lmao.
For what? because people dont love his artical that read like a charlie piece? full of bitter hatre towards amd?
(charlies is just towards nvidia, only differnce)
That was not necessary....Apoopin wrote:Say Hi to Rollo for us...hope he has proof read(and approved) your new review or NV HQ may be miffed....:whiste:
I don't even.....Archangel wrote:I like many others suffered through the whole Apoppin/Rollo/Jethro 2900XT love/hate fest over at Rage3D.
Since he got pwned so badly vainly trying to put lipstick on that pig he's been NVDA green through and through.
I don't need you to teach me to suck eggs.
Another dirty lie. i wasn't at Rage3D. My posts over the past 11 years have mostly been here. Occasionally i posted at B3D and very rarely at HardOCP. That's it for video.Archangel wrote:I like many others suffered through the whole Apoppin/Rollo/Jethro 2900XT love/hate fest over at Rage3D.
Since he got pwned so badly vainly trying to put lipstick on that pig he's been NVDA green through and through.
I don't need you to teach me to suck eggs.
How do we know that HD7950 will be slower by more than 15% than HD7970? Also, how do we know you won't be able to unlock the 7950?
I believe the GCN architecture uses 4 TMUs per 1 CU. So 7950 will still have 112 TMUs, and 384-bit memory interface with 240GB/sec of memory bandwidth. I am not seeing a performance gap more than 15%, which is similar to what HD5870 and HD6970 had over 5850 and 6950.
Don't stop posting just because of your post count. It's good to have varying points of view. Also, any member's post count doesn't make his/her posts less or more valuable. It's about the quality of the post that counts. Hopefully you'll have a review ready before a lot of other sites. :thumbsup:
Another dirty lie. i wasn't at Rage3D. My posts over the past 11 years have mostly been here. Occasionally i posted at B3D and very rarely at HardOCP. That's it for video.
ABT has been in existence for just over 3 years and i am still a media partner with AMD and with Nvidia (and recently, Intel - along with a host of other mega companies like Kingston). It does not work to play favorites and i never have with companies - i will prefer one product over another - but that changes from month to month.
My review of Bulldozer is posted by AMD as an example of a "good" review - one that their marketing recommends that people read. i can see that chips potential even though most tech writers dismissed it.
i say what i feel and if that ruffles feathers, frankly i don't give a damn. i do look for the good in each product and i also said some good things about the HD 7970 that some of you are ignoring.
Perhaps it is what i say about AMD's viral marketers infesting this forums that makes me unpopular. But they are not worthy of consideration as shills who hide their affiliation with the company who gives them hardware.
Not anymore extreme than a bunch of ppl here accusing [H] of being AMD biased. Just because he games at 1600p or 3x1080p and thats where radeons perform better doesn't make him biased, it makes his results extremely valid for that market segment. Top cards for top monitor gaming.
Who is this Charlie person people keep yakking about?
A bit on the edge right now about this release every time i check a new reply its about Charlie this Charlie that.
Don't mean to sound ignorant i have no idea who this person is but then again i am still relatively new here compared to other forum members
Some of his results are biased because he pretends that 25-30 fps at 2560x1600 4AA is playable in a first person shooter or a racing game. If one card is doing 28 fps and another 25 fps, you can say that card 1 is faster, but both are completely unplayable. So really the fact that 1 is faster is irrelevant since you'll need to back off your image quality or lower the resolution.
Yet, in [H]'s world, 25-35 is perfectly fine for gaming. I have 0 problems with 2560x1600 or 3x 1080P benchmarks at real world 50-60 fps. If one card gets 50-60 and another 30-40, yes there is a winner. But comparing 25 vs. 32 fps and declaring a winner is like comparing a turtle to a snail in a race.
Except it has already been confirmed by your own moderator - IdontcareYou lose credibility real fast with those types of accusations, Apoppin..Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them a shill. However, your article speaks for itself. So, if you want to accuse someone of something, aka: shill... please have proof, because "like your article." you've picked up a nasty habit of speculating...
After adjusting its strategy, AMD has today announced the Radeon HD 7970 as people expected. Yeston, the well-known manufacturer of graphics cards and motherboards from Mainland China, has also launched their Yeston R7970-3072GD5 Deluxe worldwide which is priced at US$679.