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96Firebird

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He said it was hot and power hungry and performs bad, 10-20%.

Did you read his article? That is not what he says at all, care to quote it?

He said the leaked BF3 numbers were way off, which they were. He said it would overclock well, which it does. I'm confused where you got that it performs bad, only 10-20%?
 
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Did you read his article? That is not what he says at all, care to quote it?

"Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480 which was later reworked into the greatly improved GF110 GTX 580. "

"We are also hearing that in a few older DX9 games, it is not that much faster than than the previous generation’s HD 6970, and AMD’s emphasis will be on DX11 and heavily tessellated games."

You can spin it how you like, but its there. It's overly negative.

Again, 50% faster than 6970 and ~30% faster than gtx580 is not terrible considering every other factor.

The fact that the gtx580 has a 10-20% lead on the 6970 and has been selling fine for a huge price premium, why do people diss the 7970 for selling at $550? No clue or just expect charity services from AMD but its ok for NV to rip them off?

ps. Why is it bad to focus on dx11 games? This will be the 3rd generation dx11 GPU.. isn't it time to focus on dx11?
 
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Grooveriding

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Did you read his article? That is not what he says at all, care to quote it?

It was a whine post, it read as a whine post. It was a rehash and mash of information from other sources long before with a spin put on it and it read as such.

And he's right there were plenty of false claims in there, not surprising, it was just random speculation put across as an article. I regret clicking the link and giving the page hit. The whole article felt premised on sour grapes that there is no 7970 review up there today :whiste:

It read like it was written by one of the 80% nv fanboy contingent of the 10 participating forum community members there.

If it's so important for credit to be given where credit is due, head over to donanimhaber or chiphell and say thanks.
 

96Firebird

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"Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480 which was later reworked into the greatly improved GF110 GTX 580. "

"We are also hearing that in a few older DX9 games, it is not that much faster than than the previous generation’s HD 6970, and AMD’s emphasis will be on DX11 and heavily tessellated games."

You can spin it how you like, but its there. It's overly negative.

Again, 50% faster than 6970 and ~30% faster than gtx580 is not terrible considering every other factor.

The fact that the gtx580 has a 10-20% lead on the 6970 and has been selling fine for a huge price premium, why do people diss the 7970 for selling at $550? No clue or just expect charity services from AMD but its ok for NV to rip them off?

ps. Why is it bad to focus on dx11 games? This will be the 3rd generation dx11 GPU.. isn't it time to focus on dx11?

Right, he didn't say anything about the 7970 being hot running and power hungry. He was talking about the 480. Work on reading comprehension. Still looking for the 10-20% that you said he claimed? :whiste:

I didn't say anything about AMD's pricing strategy, but ok...

Its only negative to you because the card isn't what you were expecting. Many here thought the 28nm cards would be double the performance with half the power consumption, and they are now disappointed that it is 40% better than the 6970 at the same TDP. Gotta blame someone, might as well be Apoppin and all the "Nvidia fanboys"!
 
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Reading comprehension? What part of: "Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480" don't see you inferring that the 7970 is hot and power hungry?

Just the reference of it being Fermi is enough. You were around long enough to remember Fermi, right?

As to performance, infer from: "We are also hearing that in a few older DX9 games, it is not that much faster than than the previous generation’s HD 6970, and AMD’s emphasis will be on DX11 and heavily tessellated games."

If it's NOT THAT MUCH FASTER than the 6970, then its hardly faster than the gtx580. But it turned out to be MUCH FASTER than the 6970. So he is wrong. Period.

His sources need to be spoken to by him if he wants to publish more reveals in the future.
 

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@96Firebird

not many are disappointed with its performance, and no one is blameing Appoppin and the "nvidia fanboys" for its performance.

Thats silly talk and you putting words into peoples mouths.

Appopin just did a really biased "preview" based on his own speculations, and put a negative spin on it, because he didnt get a card to review. He clearly is not a unbiased reporter.




Here 7970 beats a 580 by around 40% with a stock voltage, overclock.
Thats like ~75% increase over a stock 6970.

how can that be disappointing?
 
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96Firebird

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Hey, I've never played 3DMark. Is it a multi-player game, or strictly single-player?

Its not a disappointment in my eyes, I didn't expect a whole lot mainly due to the new architecture. People were up in arms because he said it would only be 25-30% ON AVERAGE better than the GTX 580, which guess what... It is! He also said it would overclock well, which guess what... It does!

He was comparing it to Fermi because the 480 was short lived after the improved 580 came out. I guess if he had left out "hot and power hungry" it would be ok, right?
 

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Are we really comparing selected review samples in overclocked states VS stock retail cards ? They didn't have enough review samples for major review sites to test crossfire. Maybe these were all cherry picked to show good power and temp numbers at the chosen 925 reference clocks. I'm sure I heard those same pessimistic statements in the past regarding Nvidia o/c results.
 

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I expected a bit higher performance, but overall it's a pretty good card. The diesize is relatively small compared with what Kepler likely brings so there is alot of room for pricecuts in the future. Overall the competitive landscape won't change much once Kepler is out. It should be the about same as the last 2 generations.
 

Arkadrel

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I still think its a good card.
Them getting ~50% increase over their 6970, is good, as is 30% or so over the 580.

New architecture, drivers will probably drive that up abit over time.
 
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really sad they crippled their own release by a greedy price point.

Imagine the reaction at $450, or even $499.
 

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He said it was hot and power hungry and performs bad, 10-20%.

Not all correct. In fact, its not hot at all, runs very cool and if anything its the most power efficient GPU outside of iGPU, period. Power hungry? With features like zero power on idle, no.

It's performance varies depends on what games you throw at it, but it wins across the board even in games that are traditionally NV's babies; TWIMTBP titles. A solid ~30% lead in games where it matters, and a hefty OC ability with excellent scaling.

I would say overall, Apop's sources are in fact incorrect.

But they should still apologize to him because their comments were uncivilized and overly harsh, reeks of fanboism.

He was spot on to me with over-all performance over a GTX 580 -- around 25 percent.
 

AnandThenMan

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Right, he didn't say anything about the 7970 being hot running and power hungry. He was talking about the 480. Work on reading comprehension.
If you're going to call out people on reading comprehension, better get your own ducks in a row, right?

Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480 which was later reworked into the greatly improved GF110 GTX 580.

Comparing the 7970 to GF100 directly, which turned out not to be true at all. The only thing to complain about the 7970 is it might not perform up to expectations, but the performance/watt is off the charts. As for the price, it performs better than the highest overclocked 580's and costs less. It is nothing like the 480 was when released.
 

SirPauly

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Reading comprehension? What part of: "Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480" don't see you inferring that the 7970 is hot and power hungry?

Just the reference of it being Fermi is enough. You were around long enough to remember Fermi, right?

As to performance, infer from: "We are also hearing that in a few older DX9 games, it is not that much faster than than the previous generation’s HD 6970, and AMD’s emphasis will be on DX11 and heavily tessellated games."

If it's NOT THAT MUCH FASTER than the 6970, then its hardly faster than the gtx580. But it turned out to be MUCH FASTER than the 6970. So he is wrong. Period.

His sources need to be spoken to by him if he wants to publish more reveals in the future.

Fermi ended up as an outstanding architecture; what's the problem?
 
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really sad they crippled their own release by a greedy price point.

Imagine the reaction at $450, or even $499.

Exactly. They could of made some money off of me. At $550 they won't see a penny of mine and now I wait for the 680.
 

96Firebird

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If you're going to call out people on reading comprehension, better get your own ducks in a row, right?

Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480 which was later reworked into the greatly improved GF110 GTX 580.

Comparing the 7970 to GF100 directly, which turned out not to be true at all. The only thing to complain about the 7970 is it might not perform up to expectations, but the performance/watt is off the charts. As for the price, it performs better than the highest overclocked 580's and costs less. It is nothing like the 480 was when released.

Speaking of reading comprehension, read the thread. I already stated that he was talking about the 480 being short lived, which he thinks will happen with the 7970. Apparently he should have just left out the description of the 480 not to upset people...

And I would hope it has good performance/watt, since it is the first card to be on 28nm...
 

SirPauly

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It is nothing like the 480 was when released.

Sure it was -- they both offered the highest performance, specifically with tessellation and GPU processing -- very similar but the 7970 may be more balanced with stronger performance per watt and cooler to many.
 

Flipped Gazelle

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really sad they crippled their own release by a greedy price point.

Imagine the reaction at $450, or even $499.

It's not greed, it's business. It's better priced and higher performing than it's competition. Can't find any crippling there. Availability will probably be limited at first, and AMD will sell every 7970 it produces.
 

ddarko

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really sad they crippled their own release by a greedy price point.

Imagine the reaction at $450, or even $499.

Glass half full or half empty? You can play devil's advocate and blame Nvidia's for AMD's "greedy" price. If Nvidia wasn't selling the 580 at an equally "greedy" and inflated price point for a year now, the 7970 almost certainly would be cheaper. As Ryan points out in his review, the pricing of the 7970 seems pegged to Nvidia's price for the 580:

The MSRP for the 7970 will be $550, a premium price befitting a premium card, but a price based almost exclusively on the competition (e.g. the GTX 580) rather than one that takes advantage of cheaper manufacturing costs to aggressively undercuts the competition.

I don't think anyone's cheering for a $550 price but I really don't see why anyone should be surprised by it given the price of the 580. If Nvidia dropped the price of the 580 tomorrow, the 7970 would drop too. There's no real evidence that TSMC is having trouble making this chip - good news for Nvidia since it's using the same process - so poor yields doesn't seem to be a major factor in the price; it seems driven primarily by the 580's price.
 

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I see nothing wrong with the price.

The greedy person in me wants it to be cheaper so I don't spend as much but I think that the market is there for the card and it will sell out
 
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It's not greed, it's business. It's better priced and higher performing than it's competition. Can't find any crippling there. Availability will probably be limited at first, and AMD will sell every 7970 it produces.

I guess the gtx 680 should cost $700 upon release. Then the 8970 should be $775. Followed by the 780 at $999.

LCD TV's should be near $7,000 a piece at this point. I mean better performance and bigger screens should equal higher prices.
 

formulav8

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You people still argueing about that whining Oppop article? Its only a stinking article, not the end of the world. Let it go already......
 
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