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While I understand this 550$ MSRP, the true performance isn't there for this price point and it's bad for overall pricing. The Kepler dude, when he'll enter the scene, might ask 600$ for a ride as I can't imagine it'll be just 20-30% faster than his fellow Fermi.

People are setting a bad precedent if they fork over the $550. Nvidia will look and say hmm if they'll pay that for that much performance then they'll have no problem forking over $699 for 40% more performance.
 

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3d is subpar with AMD, drivers aren't nearly as stable, nvidia is always improving performance of their cards through drivers much more than AMD does, and there are many more AAA games optimized for nvidia.

What's absolutely hilarious is that in your previous posts you strongly implied that you'd buy the 7970 if it met your "expectations". You've complained about the performance and price, and when presented with data that clearly shows the 7970 is both faster and faster per dollar than the GTX 580, now comes the "AMD drivers aren't nearly as stable", Nvidia has "many more AAA games optimized for nvidia." (which 7970 wins, anyway)

What you should have simply said was, "eh, I already have a top-of-the-line GTX 580, I just don't have a reason to upgrade to the 7970", and most of us would be like "yeah, bro, you're right".
 
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When logic fails... IT'S MY OPINION. :whiste:

High end single gpu cards sell for $500. AMD walks in with a gtx 580+, plops it on the table, and demands $550. We all know Kepler will smoke it but AMD wants to do a little price gouging In the meantime. Explain to me why you're okay with a price increase on what has become the norm? I'm sorry if I'm paying X amount for electric and one day I get the electric bill saying its gone up and the explanation that the electric company gives me is that there's no competition fork it over. That's gonna piss me off just a little.
 

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Average overclocking results are in:


Source

Based on these overclocking results, AMD could probably counter with a 1050mhz card when necessary. Overclocking results are by far the most impressive thing for me this entire launch, followed closely by ZeroCore long-idle states technology (esp. with multiple-GPUs). If only the "no fan" worked in 2D, and not only when the screen was shut off for a single GPU. Don't see how they can't get this work if we have an APU GPU setup.

We all know this card is basically a gtx 670 but they want gtx 680 money.

Maybe my expectations for Kepler are extremely high, I don't think this card will even beat a GTX670. Fermi was faster in DX11 performance (Tessellation) than HD5800 and HD6900 series and since HD7970 with current drivers is just 25-30% faster than a GTX580, I fully expect GTX670 to beat it in DX11 games (I am assuming driver improvements for GTX670/680 will be similar to HD7970).

I expect AIBs to have these cards clocks at 1ghz or maybe even more. AMD left a lot of headroom on the table, which bodes well for an HD7980 style refresh.
 
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Well, I guess? If you want to use your own definition of what yields means.

You're the one questioning Fermi's yields. Just don't understand why considering they had to supply three GeForce Sku's, Quadro and Tesla families. Pretty tough to believe they were poor doing this - unless one desires to blanket Fermi as only the full core part -- very Charlie like.
 

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High end single gpu cards sell for $500. AMD walks in with a gtx 580+, plops it on the table, and demands $550. We all know Kepler will smoke it but AMD wants to do a little price gouging In the meantime. Explain to me why you're okay with a price increase on what has become the norm? I'm sorry if I'm paying X amount for electric and one day I get the electric bill saying its gone up and the explanation that the electric company gives me is that there's no competition fork it over. That's gonna piss me off just a little.

We *don't* know Kepler will smoke it. Kepler isn't here. GTX 680 isn't walking thru that door. GTX 670 isn't walking though that door. GTX 670Ti isn't walking thru that door. Kepler could be here in 2 months or 7.

Nvidia's true current competitor for the 7970 isn't the GTX 580, it's the GTX 580 3gb, which is $600. It makes the 7970 look like a good deal. But I sure as hell am not going to drop that kind of cash on a GPU.

Why aren't you raining against Nvidia? Their apex cards are worse values than 7970.
 

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High end single gpu cards sell for $500. AMD walks in with a gtx 580+, plops it on the table, and demands $550. We all know Kepler will smoke it but AMD wants to do a little price gouging In the meantime. Explain to me why you're okay with a price increase on what has become the norm? I'm sorry if I'm paying X amount for electric and one day I get the electric bill saying its gone up and the explanation that the electric company gives me is that there's no competition fork it over. That's gonna piss me off just a little.

If AMD thinks that the card is going to sell out, they have the duty to appease their shareholders by pricing the card appropriately.
 

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High end single gpu cards sell for $500. AMD walks in with a gtx 580+, plops it on the table, and demands $550. We all know Kepler will smoke it but AMD wants to do a little price gouging In the meantime. Explain to me why you're okay with a price increase on what has become the norm? I'm sorry if I'm paying X amount for electric and one day I get the electric bill saying its gone up and the explanation that the electric company gives me is that there's no competition fork it over. That's gonna piss me off just a little.
So asking 10% more money for 20-30% more performance while consuming quite a bit of less power than 580 is price gouging.
On the other hand 580 was ~15% better than 570/6970 while consuming more power, and asking ~30-40% more money for that is ok?

I don't like paying $500+ for GPUs either, and it's not a big leap in performance by any means, but you're not fair. It's a much better value than 580 and much smaller premium than nVidia typically charges for the top GPU. AMD is simply exploiting the fact that nVidia doesn't have anything to compete right now. It will drop the prices when Kepler comes, though I wouldn't expect big price drops, I think nVidia will be happy to go back to their $600-700 price bracket that was common before 4870.
 

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Maybe my expectations for Kepler are extremely high, I don't think this card will even beat a GTX670. Fermi was faster in DX11 performance (Tessellation) than HD5800 and HD6900 series and since HD7970 with current drivers is just 25-30% faster than a GTX580, I fully expect GTX670 to beat it in DX11 games (I am assuming driver improements for GTX670/680 will be similar to HD7970).

I fully expect AIBs to have these cards clocks at 1ghz or maybe even more.

If you're right, and if Nvidia can make this happen by March, they're in OK shape. After that the clock slowly starts ticking in favor of AMD being able to swiftly counter Kepler. Unless AMD has an ace up their corporate sleeve (I don't think so).
 

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You're the one questioning Fermi's yields. Just don't understand why considering they had to supply three GeForce Sku's, Quadro and Tesla families. Pretty tough to believe they were poor doing this - unless one desires to blanket Fermi as only the full core part -- very Charlie like.

They had zero/zilch/nada/none/goose egg/no fully functioning chips. Even their midrange gtx-460 was a crippled chip. Fermi yields were zero until the 580 and 560 ti.
 

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Nvidia's true current competitor for the 7970 isn't the GTX 580, it's the GTX 580 3gb, which is $600. It makes the 7970 look like a good deal. But I sure as hell am not going to drop that kind of cash on a GPU.

Hmm... Most of the reviews I've read all used 1.5GB GTX 580s, which are $500. Why do you say the main competitor is the 3GB version? Because it shows a worse performance/$ at $600, which makes the 7970 look good? I see!
 

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They had zero/zilch/nada/none/goose egg/no fully functioning chips. Even their midrange gtx-460 was a crippled chip. Fermi yields were zero until the 580 and 560 ti.

nVidia is a true corporate master to bring in revenue and impressive margins with crippled chips and yields at zero, hehe!
 

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Hmm... Most of the reviews I've read all used 1.5GB GTX 580s, which are $500. Why do you say the main competitor is the 3GB version? Because it shows a worse performance/$ at $600, which makes the 7970 look good? I see!

Assuming you are serious...

Because they are both top-end, 3gb cards.

7970 presents better value than 1.5gb GTX580, also. Generally 10-40% better performance, 10% higher price.

Of course, by Jan 9, Nvidia could drop the GTX 580 in price, so maybe the value pendulum swings back to them.

For your edification, here's a review link that includes the GTX 580 3gb: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1805/1/
 
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Hmm... Most of the reviews I've read all used 1.5GB GTX 580s, which are $500. Why do you say the main competitor is the 3GB version? Because it shows a worse performance/$ at $600, which makes the 7970 look good? I see!

Because it's nVidia's fastest single gpu card, just like this is AMD's fastest, single gpu card.

What does it matter what the reviews compare it to? They can compare it to the 8800 GTX for all they wanted.
 

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Why aren't you raining against Nvidia? Their apex cards are worse values than 7970.

True. I still think HD7970 is not great value vs. an unlockable HD6950 or even against a GTX570. I realize this is to be expected since it's the highest end single-GPU card with the best performance. It truly shines with overclocking and I can't wait to see what AIBs have ready. GTX580's value is just awful at the moment, and frankly has been for at least 6-8 months. When you can pick up a GTX570 for $270 right now, the value equation for a $470-480 GTX580 is just not there.

If you're right, and if Nvidia can make this happen by March, they're in OK shape. After that the clock slowly starts ticking in favor of AMD being able to swiftly counter Kepler. Unless AMD has an ace up their corporate sleeve (I don't think so).

Well for enthusiasts who want the fastest card, and who bought $500 GTX480/580, they'll probably pick up an HD7970 (overclock it to hell), and then if GTX680 is faster, get that card as well. So I think for them, when Kepler launches doesn't change much since they don't hold on to cards for 3-5 years. They'll be hopping from the best card to the next best card. Still, for 2560x1600 resolution, HD7970 simply runs out of steam and its performance increase in BF3 is lacklustre at this resolution. I don't play BF3, but I can see how GTX480/580 users are left extremely disappointed since the performance increase in BF3 was hyped up to be 50-60% faster than the GTX580.

For guys running unlocked HD6950s or even GTX570s, this release changes nothing. HD7950 will probably be priced at $449 -- way too expensive from $230-280 price levels of 6950/GTX570. The biggest implication for me is that HD7970 wasn't fast enough over my own HD6970 at 1080P resolution, which doesn't leave me that excited for an already high-priced HD7950, unless it's guaranteed to overclock as well and unlock. I am not going to upgrade for just a 33-38% average performance increase at 1080P, esp. not at $450-550.

I said from the beginning that from a business side, I fully justify AMD to raise the price of HD7970 to $500-550. Looks like I have to wait another 12-15 months to get a much faster card at ~ $250-275. I was expecting that anyway.
 
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Why don't any of the idiots in this thread realize that Nvidia sets the price for the 7970. AMD is actually offering good value based on 7970 price/performance compared to the gtx580.

Now if nvidia lowers their price to try and keep selling the gtx580 expect the 7970 to come down in price to counter it. People are acting like AMD priced the 7970 at $550 out of greed and not based on their competitor's products...
 

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I think a lot of people are looking at this card all wrong. When you actually think about things, this quite is much better than a lot of people are thinking, or atleast, AMD's strategy with this card is much more commendable. Few points to consider:

1. When the 5870 first came out, it wasn't an amazing overclocker. Reference card got about 8%, and as it matured and non reference cards came out, average was about 15-18%. The reference 7970 cards seem to be getting about 25% overclocks and the overclock scaling as far as performance goes is quite a bit better than the 5870. So once more mature cards and non reference cooling comes out, I'd expect to see that go up to 30, even 35%. The people overclocking the card said,
"Without any voltage mods AMD says that enthusiasts and overclockers should be able to hit 1.2GHz and if someone wanted to do some voltage mods that they might be able to able to hit 1.3 GHz!"

1.3 GHz would be a massive OC of 40%, and I'd say with voltage mods and a decent MSI or Asus cooler, 1.25 GHz is really gonna be the norm, which, as I said, would be an OC of 35%. The highest I ever really see GTX 580's go is about 15-20% OC's, so assuming both are at maximum OC, the 7970 is in actuality about 30% faster than the GTX 580, assuming similar OC scaling, which it seems to be that way.

2. The 7970 has lower idle, and load power consumption than the GTX 580, and while that doesn't matter to most enthusiasts, it is worth mentioning. Idle noise is basically quiet, and load noise could be better, I'd definitely agree to that. Fortunately, Asus and MSI non-reference models are usually quite a bit quieter, but the same could be said for the GTX 580 and so on, so we'll call that even.

3. Almost no new games that are even remotely demanding are being released until atleast 2013 when the new consoles come out. BF3, Skyrim, MW3, many of these games really aren't all that demanding. If AMD really wanted to go after 50% faster than the GTX 580, I'm sure they could have by souping up a VLIW4 architecture. But when a GTX 580 is pulling 80 FPS in Skyrim, does it really matter all that much if your 7970 is doing 120 FPS? No, of course not, and I like the fact AMD recognized this fact. So instead of maxing out pure pixel-pushing performance, AMD took a play out of Nvidia's book and added a lot of new features onto this card to make it more universally useful. Specifically dealing with compute performance, this card actually has a decent bit of die space dedicated to that, where as in the VLIW4 architecture, compute performance was an afterthought.



Specifically here, the GTX 580 is over 69% faster than the 6970 in this compute performance benchmark. Generally speaking, the GTX 580 is only about 15% faster than the 6970, so having such a big performance gap is much more damaging to the card than an extra FPS here and there. And so with the 7970:



Same benchmark, wildly different result. The 7970 is 58% faster than the 6970, and 12% faster than the GTX 580. The 7970 is usually about 40% faster than the 6970, so thats a pretty tangible additional performance increase in compute, compared to what would have been an irrelevant few extra FPS in Skyrim.

4. Similar to the point above, AMD diversified this cards performance by making tessellation so much better as well.



The 7970 gets a gain of 56% better tessellation performance over the overall 40% better performance it has over the 6970. Tessellation is becoming a more and more used feature in games, and so AMD caught on to this and made this card much more tessellation capable compared to the 6970.

5. As we continue to go down the nodes, performance returns will continue to shrink a little. The 5870 was about 50-60% faster than the 4870 on release and that was considered a massive gain and a great new architecture. The 7970 is about 40% faster than the 6970, so obviously a little less. Some of that can be contributed to decreasing returns on node shrinks, but mostly I'd say this architecture just isnt as raw performance driven, because it doesn't need to be given the rather undemanding games of today. If you really want to look at details, technically the 5870 was the last "new" architecture and die shrink, so you could compared the 7970 to that (where it is 50-60% faster) and the refresh of the 7970, say the 8970 to the 6970. But lets be honest, everybody is comparing the 7970 to the GTX 580 so it really doesn't matter.

6. Yes, the price is relatively high. But what do you expect? AMD needs money, they have no real competition right now, and so they really need to charge all the market can bare for this series. Intel on the other hand, who has even less competition in the CPU department, has plenty of money and so can afford to not maximize profits and sell their CPU's relatively cheap. This is also a enthusiast level GPU, its supposed to not have great price/performance. If you want cheap GPU that can max most games, just buy a GTX 560Ti, but if that's you, this card isn't meant for you, so don't judge it.

7. New architectures always gain the most from new and improved drivers. We are comparing the 6970 on mature drivers, to the GTX 580 on mature drivers, to the 7970 on new drivers. You can always factor in about 5-10% better performance across the board when a few driver revisions come out.
 
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I agree with everything you wrote. I'm very happy with the value and performance of my GTX 460 @ 875/2000. I'm not a hardcore gamer, my res is 1680x1050 and the card performs well. I have another MSI GTX 460 Cyclone lined up for $100 in January, will be my 1st dual-card setup since Voodoo days.
 

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You might be surprised. Most consumers don't take kindly to price gouging, myself included. They'll sell the first run out for sure. What happens when nvidia drops prices on the 580 and AMD is tied to a $550 price point? They can't just drop the 7970 price by $150. That would be very unfair for the customers that paid the $550. How many customers would they lose by doing that?

Did you complain about the price of the GTX 280 ? They didn't lose many customers after AMD forced their hand with the 4870. It was actually the AIBs who lost, at least a few of them, who offered cash back cheques to people who paid $650 for them and saw the price plummet to $400 overnight.

I don't get these complaints. These cards will sell out, and stay in stock/sold out for the next few months. I already am seeing threads on my major etailor I use, ncix.com, of people saying 'WHERE ARE THE 7970s!!!!' The buyers are already chomping at the bit ready to buy the new performance crown part.
 

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Maybe my expectations for Kepler are extremely high, I don't think this card will even beat a GTX670.

Mine are as well. If the 2nd tier card from the top Kepler chip (the gtx570 replacement) does not soundly beat the hd7970, then I think Nvidia will have failed from a performance perspective. In fact, seeing how the gtx560ti is about 50% faster than a gtx285, I expect Kepler's gtx560ti card to match or at least be insignificantly slower than the hd7970.
 

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1. When the 5870 first came out, it wasn't an amazing overclocker. Reference card got about 8%, and as it matured and non reference cards came out, average was about 15-18%.

The performance increase of HD5870 over 4870/4890 was HUGE. Not everyone likes to overclock, or should be expected to overclock. If you just compared a stock HD7970 vs. a stock GTX580, the performance increase is too small for a next generation product, even vs. a stock HD6970, it's far too small. Back then, the average increase of HD5870 was skewed since DX10 games were just in their infancy with almost no DX11 games. In almost all the latest games, HD5870 is 2x faster than HD4870 and at least 75% faster than HD4890.

In contrast, we have DX11 games today such as Shogun 2, BF3 (4x MSAA), Crysis 2, Metro 2033 and in those very games, HD7970 barely changes anything for 30 inch monitor users who craved more performance.

Do you recall HD5870 on launch drivers?

"But there's one thing we can be certain of right now, and that is that the Radeon HD 5870 crushes the old Radeon HD 4870 -- and even the 4890 -- in terms of performance. Newer games such as Wolfenstein showed massive gains of up to a 100% when compared to its previous-generation sibling; and not only did the 5870 beat the GTX 285 by a huge margin in this particular game, but it also put away the Radeon HD 4870 X2.

Using a 2560x1600 resolution, where multi-GPU technology works at its best, the single-GPU Radeon HD 5870 actually managed to outperform the Radeon HD 4870 X2 in 6 out of the 15 games tested, and in many of the cases where it was slower the margin was minimal.

The Radeon HD 5870 also beat the GeForce GTX 295 in 5 of the games tested, which is certainly very impressive considering we are talking about a pair of high-end GPUs here." ~ TechSpot.

How many times does HD7970 tie or beat an HD6990/GTX590 on a single monitor?
How many times does HD7970 double the performance of HD6970/GTX580?

The reference 7970 cards seem to be getting about 25% overclocks and the overclock scaling as far as performance goes is quite a bit better than the 5870. So once more mature cards and non reference cooling comes out, I'd expect to see that go up to 30, even 35%.

GTX460 @ 900mhz also came extremely close to matching an HD5870 in performance. Why didn't AMD just release a 1100mhz 7970 then? I shouldn't be expected to overclock a card to get my desired performance increase. Overclocking is a bonus to me, not something that I should be required to do just to reach good performance increase levels.

2. The 7970 has lower idle, and load power consumption than the GTX 580, and while that doesn't matter to most enthusiasts, it is worth mentioning. Idle noise is basically quiet, and load noise could be better, I'd definitely agree to that.

Idle power consumption is impressive, but the reference cooler now is much louder, which means you pretty much have to spend extra for an AIB card.

3. Almost no new games that are even remotely demanding are being released until atleast 2013 when the new consoles come out. BF3, Skyrim, MW3, many of these games really aren't all that demanding.

So you just made a case that the HD7970 isn't really worth upgrading to for modern games?

No, of course not, and I like the fact AMD recognized this fact. So instead of maxing out pure pixel-pushing performance, AMD took a play out of Nvidia's book and added a lot of new features onto this card to make it more universally useful. Specifically dealing with compute performance, this card actually has a decent bit of die space dedicated to that, where as in the VLIW4 architecture, compute performance was an afterthought.

Can you specifically say what compute tasks you perform on your videocard? The added compute performance sounds great on paper but it adds little for consumers. It's just as much marketing BS as NV's Germi GPGPU compute was. Did you enjoy the added compute performance that Fermi offered over HD5870? If not, then why would HD7970's added compute performance over Fermi would be any different?

Compute benefits businesses/financial instituations/science, etc. and a few people who code in FP64. For 99% of consumers, even if they improved compute by 100x, it would change little right now (Civ5 seems to have benefited). Maybe in 5 years when applications on the PC take advantage of GPU compute performance, we can add this as +.

Tessellation is becoming a more and more used feature in games, and so AMD caught on to this and made this card much more tessellation capable compared to the 6970.

Yes, for sure. But in real world, the tessellation performance is only 60% or so faster, not 4x as they said. So basically, the card still isn't fast enough to run a Tessellated game such as NV's City Tessellation demo.

One game that made heavy use of Tessellation was Crysis 2. In that game, HD7970 can't even get you 45 fps at 1080P 4AA. It was only 41% faster over 6970 and just 23% faster over GTX580 here. In Metro 2033, the performance increase is too small as well.

So while the Tessellation performance increase was excellent in theoretical benchmarks, in practical terms under real world games, it was not enough to actually affect playability.



5. As we continue to go down the nodes, performance returns will continue to shrink a little.

Probably makes for a stronger case to upgrade every other generation.

Yes, the price is relatively high. But what do you expect?

Imo, the performance is not enough for the price. Using GTX580 to show HD7970 as the better value card misses the point that GTX580 was awful value to begin with. HD5870 was $380 but it was 75-100% faster than HD4870 in the most demanding games, something that can't at all be said of HD7970 over HD6970, and esp. not over GTX580.
HD7970 is about 40% faster than a $270 GTX570 and costs almost $300 more since you'll want a non-reference cooler! In that context, the price is ridiculous, especially since it doesn't really change the playability in Crysis 2, BF3 or Metro 2033. :hmm:
 
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