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Lonbjerg

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Silly Season TM has really hit now...time to bookmark people posts, so you can disregard certain people at next Silly Season TM...
 

apoppin

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i just got notice of FedEx tracking for an AMD (looks like Graphics Division) package due on Friday

Quote:
Service type
FedEx 2Day Box

Weight
1.0 lbs/.5 kg
A bomb?


Are they trying to make me feel guilty for doing a HD 7970 Preview?
:$






Doubtful it's a CPU .. hopefully its a (small/light) video card. Maybe ABT is under NDA and we didn't know it
:whiste:
 
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skipsneeky2

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i just got notice of FedEx tracking for an AMD (looks like Graphics Division) package due on Friday


A bomb?


Are they trying to make me feel guilty for doing a HD 7970 Preview?
:$






Doubtful it's a CPU .. hopefully its a (small/light) video card. Maybe ABT is under NDA and we didn't know it
:whiste:

If its overnight package or 2 day it has to be a video card and the 22nd nda lift is true.

If its a card and when your done reviewing it ship it this way so i could review it too

After the many delays amd did with bulldozer i am very skeptical of these nda lift dates...i would believe in the easter bunny and santa before these dates:awe:
 

Olikan

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i just got notice of FedEx tracking for an AMD (looks like Graphics Division) package due on Friday

Doubtful it's a CPU .. hopefully its a (small/light) video card. Maybe ABT is under NDA and we didn't know it
:whiste:

apoppin, you should go to semi-accurate forum and see what charlie thinks about your preview :twisted:
 

AdamK47

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i just got notice of FedEx tracking for an AMD (looks like Graphics Division) package due on Friday


A bomb?


Are they trying to make me feel guilty for doing a HD 7970 Preview?
:$






Doubtful it's a CPU .. hopefully its a (small/light) video card. Maybe ABT is under NDA and we didn't know it
:whiste:

Do you have a motherboard to test PCI-E 3.0 functionality?
 

nitromullet

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Tell me you didn't buy into that PR?

We are not even close to maxing out PCI-E 2.0...

It's not about PR... PCIe 3.0 exists, and the X79 chipset is supposed to support it, but we don't know if it does until we have a PCIe 3.0 video card to test with. Valid question IMO regardless of required bandwidth.
 

apoppin

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Apoppin, you didn't get a review card, I take it?
Not yet. That is why i am wondering what is coming

As to CharLIE, i am certain he did not read my article. He is seeing what others are telling him what i wrote. He also has an awful track record of being generally 100% wrong about Nvidia's upcoming products.

Unlike CharLIE bitter hatred of Nvidia, i did not say an unkind word about AMD or their HD 7970 in my preview article. i used logic to show that there will be an early respin and attempted to explain strategy as to why AMD is launching *now*.

We tech writers are as good as our sources. i am relying on what i heard about the HD 7970 in relation to the GTX 580 and the HD 7970. That is why i ballparked the comparison figures.

We will all find out tomorrow and the AMD fans will say HD 7970 is the best launch since r300 while Nvidia fans will point out its flaws and minimize it.

And yes, i have 3.0 PCIe platform - but it won't be necessary for 7970 .. and probably not necessary for 7990.
 

maddie

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Not yet. That is why i am wondering what is coming

As to CharLIE, i am certain he did not read my article. He is seeing what others are telling him what i wrote. He also has an awful track record of being generally 100% wrong about Nvidia's upcoming products.

Unlike CharLIE bitter hatred of Nvidia, i did not say an unkind word about AMD or their HD 7970 in my preview article. i used logic to show that there will be an early respin and attempted to explain strategy as to why AMD is launching *now*.

We tech writers are as good as our sources. i am relying on what i heard about the HD 7970 in relation to the GTX 580 and the HD 7970. That is why i ballparked the comparison figures.

We will all find out tomorrow and the AMD fans will say HD 7970 is the best launch since r300 while Nvidia fans will point out its flaws and minimize it.

And yes, i have 3.0 PCIe platform - but it won't be necessary for 7970 .. and probably not necessary for 7990.
FWIW, I found your article sounded pretty bitter, like a sour grapes story.
 

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Not yet. That is why i am wondering what is coming

As to CharLIE, i am certain he did not read my article. He is seeing what others are telling him what i wrote. He also has an awful track record of being generally 100% wrong about Nvidia's upcoming products.

Unlike CharLIE bitter hatred of Nvidia, i did not say an unkind word about AMD or their HD 7970 in my preview article. i used logic to show that there will be an early respin and attempted to explain strategy as to why AMD is launching *now*.

We tech writers are as good as our sources. i am relying on what i heard about the HD 7970 in relation to the GTX 580 and the HD 7970. That is why i ballparked the comparison figures.

We will all find out tomorrow and the AMD fans will say HD 7970 is the best launch since r300 while Nvidia fans will point out its flaws and minimize it.

And yes, i have 3.0 PCIe platform - but it won't be necessary for 7970 .. and probably not necessary for 7990.

If your a serious techsite and have some journalism you dont publish speculation unless the website is a rumor one like fudzilla, there is a reason why people tend to dislike such.
I find that article a bad attempt to draw attention based upon being left out from amd and they most likely had a good reason no?
If you dont understand how you come across to the reader, I suggest you change career.
 

notty22

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The last couple people casting judgement , what do you think of Charlie calling fellow tech reporters f@ng idiots, babbling about talking to people in the know, not being under any NDA himself, but not releasing any insight other than possibly reaffirming the only 25% better than the gtx 580. Then going on with his die size mantra etc.
Isn't the new AMD gpu on a new process also clocked about 20% faster than a 40nm gtx 580 ?
The AMD gpu will be worth, the rumor pricing when launched because, it will be the fastest GPU, at least for a while.
 

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If your a serious techsite and have some journalism you dont publish speculation unless the website is a rumor one like fudzilla, there is a reason why people tend to dislike such.
I find that article a bad attempt to draw attention based upon being left out from amd and they most likely had a good reason no?
If you dont understand how you come across to the reader, I suggest you change career.

I would hope he tried other methods of getting a review sample first. Can't fault him too much for angling for hardware to test, it will probably be 3-4 weeks before he could buy one retail. Might burn him regarding future product releases, but that's between him and AMD.
 

apoppin

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If your a serious techsite and have some journalism you dont publish speculation unless the website is a rumor one like fudzilla, there is a reason why people tend to dislike such.
I find that article a bad attempt to draw attention based upon being left out from amd and they most likely had a good reason no?
If you dont understand how you come across to the reader, I suggest you change career.
That isn't how it works. If we are bound by a NDA we hold it sacred and leak nothing about the product. If we have no NDA, it is "fair game"

Tech sites have done this since the beginning of tech sites. AlienBabelTech is a serious review site with a DEDICATED *RUMOR* SECTION - and what is rumor is identified as such - including in my preview article

FWIW, I found your article sounded pretty bitter, like a sour grapes story.
Where? Other tech journalists didn't think so.
:?:
 

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I agree with Maddie and Flopper --- your "preview", after glossing over the first page, looks kinda like an attempt to kick AMD in the shins. For one, it's based on known page-hit whoring site, two it's base on some illogical speculation and conjecture. Do you normally post stuff like this? I don't read your site to know if this is your normal publications, or if it's any indication of your professionalism.

But, this I do know --- Hardware reviewers are the biggest babies I have ever seen. The first time they don't get included on a release, they fall to the ground and kick their feet like children. Geesh, you all get free shite all the time. Grow up. You don't need more free shite to justify you or your site.
 

Arkadrel

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Not yet. That is why i am wondering what is coming

As to CharLIE, i am certain he did not read my article. He is seeing what others are telling him what i wrote. He also has an awful track record of being generally 100% wrong about Nvidia's upcoming products.

Unlike CharLIE bitter hatred of Nvidia, i did not say an unkind word about AMD or their HD 7970 in my preview article. i used logic to show that there will be an early respin and attempted to explain strategy as to why AMD is launching *now*.

We tech writers are as good as our sources. i am relying on what i heard about the HD 7970 in relation to the GTX 580 and the HD 7970. That is why i ballparked the comparison figures.

We will all find out tomorrow and the AMD fans will say HD 7970 is the best launch since r300 while Nvidia fans will point out its flaws and minimize it.

And yes, i have 3.0 PCIe platform - but it won't be necessary for 7970 .. and probably not necessary for 7990.


http://alienbabeltech.com/main/amds-upcoming-hd-7970-exposed-a-short-lived-video-card

Title: A short lived Card (not negative spin?)

The most interesting thing about this launch is that it appears that Tahiti’s HD 7970 may be short-lived. AMD’s 28nm yields are known to not be great and the specifications of the new GPU indicate that something strange is going on. The chip itself is quite complex with 4.3 billion transistors but its core only runs at a very conservative 925MHz. Most telling is that its performance is not that great except in DX11 games and especially in heavily tessellated scenarios – only about 25% faster than a GTX 580 overall.



This slide shows Civ5 getting like 60% ontop of a 580.... thats a heavly tesslated game right? Only 25%?

It also shows Shogun 2 (a tessellation game right?) where the 7970 is doing 60% faster than a 580? only 25% right?

If these slides are real, your really down playing the 7970 Apopin.

Same is shown with the slides of Heaven benchmark, in tessellation heavy games the 7970 is kickin arse and taking names.


Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480 which was later reworked into the greatly improved GF110 GTX 580. It is pure speculation, however, that this new HD 7970 may ship with some parts disabled that may be enabled in a respin to meet the next generation of Fermi, the GTX 680 in Q1 of 2012.
Not negative spin? You just said its gonna ship, with disabled parts, and run really hot, based on speculation.

Although supposedly it has new cooling technologies that are better, and a better working fan...... but it ll run really hot? more so than last gens 6970? Makes sense.


We are also hearing that across the board, the stock HD 7970 is a bit disappointing as it only scores about 20-30% faster than the stock GTX 580 – well within reach of an overclocked GTX 580 and priced similarly at about $550.
Not negative spin? how is 30% faster than a 580, disappointing?
Also can you please link a 580, that can overclock and reach 30% increase in performance? Was it with stock cooler? would be a feat it true (but again I suspect your lieing/exagerating).


And you are going to be hearing a lot of “firsts” – first to DX11.1 and first to PCIe 3.0 even though there are no DX11.1 games yet nor will next year’s upcoming dual-chip HD 7990 saturate even PCIe 2.0
^ true.... but thats a negative spin If ive ever heard one though.


Tahiti features 2,048 stream processors, all of which are enabled on the Radeon HD 7970.
^ wait a min.... didnt you say it was gonna ship with parts disabled?
Guess it wasnt the shaders.



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also going by your postings in this forum and your own, you dont strike me as a non-biased person.
You clearly have issue with AMD, just like Charlie does with Nvidia, it shows in your writeing.

Just like I clearly like AMD products.
 
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Firestorm007

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The last couple people casting judgement , what do you think of Charlie calling fellow tech reporters f@ng idiots, babbling about talking to people in the know, not being under any NDA himself, but not releasing any insight other than possibly reaffirming the only 25% better than the gtx 580. Then going on with his die size mantra etc.
Isn't the new AMD gpu on a new process also clocked about 20% faster than a 40nm gtx 580 ?
The AMD gpu will be worth, the rumor pricing when launched because, it will be the fastest GPU, at least for a while.
Because, for one, I never considered "SemiAccurate" a true techsite. It's Charlie for crying out loud..That said, I found Apoppin's article short sighted and whiney. It certainly wasn't tech site worthy. I barely read the first paragraph before I tuned out. It came off like " I didn't get my card, so let me bash AMD on the front page" so they give me one. Hey Santa, I didn't get that GIJOE this year either..alert the press..
 

apoppin

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I would hope he tried other methods of getting a review sample first. Can't fault him too much for angling for hardware to test, it will probably be 3-4 weeks before he could buy one retail. Might burn him regarding future product releases, but that's between him and AMD.
The only place a review sample is available from is AMD afaik

i lost contact with AMD when they had their realignment. i know their senior PR who still work there and Production Managers also. i emailed many times and also telephoned them ... and the last message was "i assume that i'm not under NDA on this product launch".

They did not ask me to take the article down. The only contact i got was yesterday - from AMD CPU to arrange a meeting at CES - and today that a package was being sent from AMD for arrival on Friday (after the NDA ends on the HD 7970)

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