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Nintendesert

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"RADEON HD 7970 with 32 ROP, 32 of each cycle to complete the color processing and 128 Z / Stencil treatment, but because of the higher effective bandwidth, in the real world performance than the theoretical value of 50% faster as the Cayman ."


Impessive. So Tahiti's 32 ROPs ~ 48 Cayman ROPs.




It needs to be the damn 22nd already. All the speculation is driving me nuts and the fervor is reading a feverish pitch now.

I swear red vs. green has more hatred in it than East vs. West did.
 

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You're usually at OTHER sites at launches, attempting to drum up traffic to your own site. I can't think of any other site that does this forum-involved marketing. I understand why you do it, and I even appreciate it sometimes when you give the inside scoop, but you do this every launch... you aren't here "very rarely."
That is a lie. i ONLY post mostly at my own forum (duh); once or twice a week here on average and maybe once a month at HardOCP.

And if you are looking at 35000 posts - that is over 11 years. i used to be a video moderator here and i posted regularly here. Do a search on my name and see how many topics i have posted in here over the past 3 years - not much.

That's it. And frankly i don't need to post here at all. This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club.

Here's something none of you appear to know:

The HD 7970 launch goes live in in 3-1/2 hours


Please refrain from posting inflammatory rhetoric that is likely to merely result in escalating an already volatile discussion.

Regarding: "This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club."

It is unproductive and needless in ways that as a forum-owner yourself I am sure you can recognize and appreciate.

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JAG87

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If the idle and load power of this card are accurate, that is really impressive. I almost have to eat my whole value argument just because of all the money you'll save on power over a couple of years.

Very impressive. Waiting for reviews.
 

RussianSensation

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It needs to be the damn 22nd already. All the speculation is driving me nuts and the fervor is reading a feverish pitch now.

I swear red vs. green has more hatred in it than East vs. West did.

Ok my jaw just dropped.



FAN OFF in idle states. :wub:

Pair this with HD3000 on Z68 chipset and you got yourself a quieter rig for 2D work! Now we just need 650-700W noiseless PSUs to run 2 of these in CF.

"the entire card consumes less than three watts, fans will be completely closed, completely avoid noise nuisance."


For people using 3 GPUs, this is like 90-100W in idle power savings from graphics cards alone.
 
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jackstar7

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Are we expecting to see reviews become available right at midnight tonight?

I recall the last few major releases have had 6am-9am PST/EST times tied to the NDAs. So I expect nothing til morning. But if appopin is right, then you all can read about it while some of us slumber.
 

Nintendesert

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Ok my jaw just dropped.



FAN OFF in idle states. :wub:

Pair this with HD3000 on Z68 chipset and you got yourself a quieter rig for 2D work! Now we just need 650-700W noiseless PSUs to run 2 of these in CF.




It does make me almost regret not jumping on those seasonic fanless PSUs that went on sale a few weeks back.
 

OVerLoRDI

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Ok my jaw just dropped.



FAN OFF in idle states. :wub:

Pair this with HD3000 on Z68 chipset and you got yourself a quieter rig for 2D work! Now we just need 650-700W noiseless PSUs to run 2 of these in CF. For people using 3 GPUs, this is like 100W in power savings from graphics cards alone.

That is pretty nifty in theory. We will have to see how it works in practice.

Also isn't it December 22nd somewhere in the world. I want some reviews this evening!
 
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DaveSimmons

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That is a lie. i ONLY post mostly at my own forum (duh); once or twice a week here on average and maybe once a month at HardOCP. ...

That's it. And frankly i don't need to post here at all. This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club. ...

Please do keep posting here. Info like the comparison of GPU performance on the i3-2100 with and without HT enabled is both interesting and useful.
 

RussianSensation

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That's it. And frankly i don't need to post here at all. This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club.

Don't stop posting just because of your post count. It's good to have varying points of view. Also, any member's post count doesn't make his/her posts less or more valuable. It's about the quality of the post that counts. Hopefully you'll have a review ready before a lot of other sites. :thumbsup:
 

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The bottom line is, if AMD has a product that can ship and give ~30% better performance than their competitor, why in the world would they wait?

AMD is shipping; I didn't say they weren't. And it's not cynical at all. It's common sense. If a chip can overclock like mad, then there is plenty of potential it has but it's current design or transistor use is holding it back because of how much more heat it generates as it is overclocked. Nvidia did the exact same thing with the gtx480 and gtx460 because it made sense to release it as it was in April (and June) instead of waiting until December and January for the better functioning Fermi.

But reasons why a company would not ship a chip that works is because it's not yielding as well as it should be and/or the power envelope is higher much higher than it was projected to be. I think that is pretty easy to understand. If chip developers released chips that functioned on the first try back from the fab, power draw and yield be damned, there would be some really, really terrible chips that everyone relies on for their work or pleasure. At the same time, if they delayed a release every time they missed a projected speed or TDP, then development times would be longer. It's a balance that these companies have to find.

Of course it will do extremely well in eyefinity and 2560x1600 + extreme AA situations. I think that is what AMD's PR slides are generally showing - situations where the hd7970 will look it's best vs. the competition. But I also think when reviews are out, situations which are not vram limited will show a disappointing performance improvement over both AMD's previous flagship and Nvidia's current one.
 

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Ok my jaw just dropped.



FAN OFF in idle states. :wub:

Pair this with HD3000 on Z68 chipset and you got yourself a quieter rig for 2D work! Now we just need 650-700W noiseless PSUs to run 2 of these in CF.

"the entire card consumes less than three watts, fans will be completely closed, completely avoid noise nuisance."


For people using 3 GPUs, this is like 90-100W in idle power savings from graphics cards alone.

This is the coolest bit of news I've read yet regarding any upcoming GPU.
 

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This is the coolest bit of news I've read yet regarding any upcoming GPU.

You can say that again, who cares if you get an extra 2 FPS in Crysis if your GPU sounds like a lawn mower. I hope Nvidia releases a similar feature.
 

Arkadrel

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Idle mode,... without fans running.... craaazy....
I bet all them silent pc guys will love this.


my 5870 feeling abit long in the tooth.... maybe its time to dish it and get one of those 7xxx cards,
the thought of silent gpu in 2D mode... that ll sell me on the 7xxx series. Doesnt really need to be much faster than my 5870, it does fine for my needs atm.

7850... or so sounds good, if it can beat a 5870.
 
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apoppin

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Don't stop posting just because of your post count. It's good to have varying points of view. Also, any member's post count doesn't make his/her posts less or more valuable. It's about the quality of the post that counts. Hopefully you'll have a review ready before a lot of other sites. :thumbsup:
You guys know where to find me. There are very few of my friends left here. Eventually i simply won't have to time to post here at all.

As to my posting "a lot" here. i posted in SIX (6) threads in video in the past month (30 days). i guess that is way too much for you Radeon guys.


The NDA ends on the HD 7970 at midnight ET and we shall all see the benches. You can come over to my forum and tell me i was wrong. i won't be back here for awhile.
--C-ya!
 

badb0y

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That is a lie. i ONLY post mostly at my own forum (duh); once or twice a week here on average and maybe once a month at HardOCP.

And if you are looking at 35000 posts - that is over 11 years. i used to be a video moderator here and i posted regularly here. Do a search on my name and see how many topics i have posted in here over the past 3 years - not much.

That's it. And frankly i don't need to post here at all. This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club.

Here's something none of you appear to know:

The HD 7970 launch goes live in in 3-1/2 hours

Don't listen to the douchebags I think your an asset to our Anandtech VC&G community.

Ok my jaw just dropped.



FAN OFF in idle states. :wub:

Pair this with HD3000 on Z68 chipset and you got yourself a quieter rig for 2D work! Now we just need 650-700W noiseless PSUs to run 2 of these in CF.

"the entire card consumes less than three watts, fans will be completely closed, completely avoid noise nuisance."


For people using 3 GPUs, this is like 90-100W in idle power savings from graphics cards alone.
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ArchAngel777

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Mark is good people. Definitely an asset to the community. But... He is a strange old kook! Don't get all metaphysical on me now!
 
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AMD is shipping; I didn't say they weren't. And it's not cynical at all. It's common sense. If a chip can overclock like mad, then there is plenty of potential it has but it's current design or transistor use is holding it back because of how much more heat it generates as it is overclocked.

No, your logic makes no sense. If they release a product with a LOT of OC headroom, it means their chip is actually very capable, but they run it lower to fit with a designated target TDP. Power use efficiency is their major focus. IF they release a gpu with crap OC headroom it means they were force to clock it higher to meet a perf target at the expense of TDP.

If it does OC like crazy, that's only good for consumers.. and it will be an advantage. But for HPC servers who run at default, they want the best perf/w and obviously the 0W at idle is a HUGE bonus.

Idle fans aren't noisy anyway, the only advantage with fan off at idle is actually preventing dust build up and we gamers don't have to clean out the GPU as often.

Russian: @Xbit, you overestimate the perf difference, remove TWIMTBP games from that list of yours, its a lot closer (im looking at shogun 2, crysis 2, dirt 3 and a few others, pretty close)
 
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AnandThenMan

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That's it. And frankly i don't need to post here at all. This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club.
No one is forcing you to be here. If you really think this is a "whiny AMD fan club" then don't stick around. But I don't think this place is like that at all, in fact just look at the overwhelming condemnation of Bulldozer, for the most part I think people here call it like they see it.
Here's something none of you appear to know:

The HD 7970 launch goes live in in 3-1/2 hours

I thought it was fairly common knowledge when the NDA lifted? I could be wrong.
AMD is shipping; I didn't say they weren't. And it's not cynical at all. It's common sense. If a chip can overclock like mad, then there is plenty of potential it has but it's current design or transistor use is holding it back because of how much more heat it generates as it is overclocked. Nvidia did the exact same thing with the gtx480 and gtx460 because it made sense to release it as it was in April (and June) instead of waiting until December and January for the better functioning Fermi.
The AMD and Nvidia situations have been very different the last couple of generations. Fermi was clearly not ready, the performance/watt was terrible. AMD has adopted a strategy of "almost the best performance" and by doing so, puts the silicon more in the sweet spot as far as power/performance. Nvidia goes all out and pushes the transistor count to the limit on a given process, and gets the highest performance as a result. It's a different strategy, I expect the same thing to be true for the 7xxx series. On the Nvidia side, probably the same general strategy as with Fermi, although I believe TSMC will have a more mature process so as not to hamper Nvidia near as much (or maybe not at all) as with Fermi.

There are always rapidly diminishing returns up the clock speed curve, silicon is clocked at the point where performance and power draw find the best compromise. Your argument that AMD is not reaching their desired performance metrics is pure speculation honestly, and the way you state it comes across as needless pessimistic IMO. Plus, I am really baffled when people complain about game tests at maxed out settings and resolutions. That is exactly what a flagship video card is supposed to be for!
 

Cookie Monster

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3W sure does sound impressive yet my general feeling is that it probably only applies to times where one just leaves the PC on doing nothing, not during actual 2d activity e.g internet browsing, word processing etc.

However I think it will be great for multi GPU setups, where you can shut off your other cards (while leaving one on) when not doing anything 3d extensive.

Im more interested in dual/multi monitor idle power consumption tbh.
 

ArchAngel777

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Seasonic Fanless 460W PSU on Newegg for $80 after MIR. That's probably the lowest price I've seen.

Obviously not strong enough for 2 HD7970, but sufficient for an overclocked 2600k + HD7970.

I definitely respect the fact that people like quiet... But lets be realistic here - If someone is bothered by 35db of noise, they have a hard life ahead of them. You certainly don't need a blow dryer running, but even a 120mm at 700-1000rpm provides minimal noise with massive cooling potential. A truly 'fanless' rig versus a 'quiet rig' are in two different leagues regarding performance yet the fanless rig is only slightly quieter.
 

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@OVerLoRDI

go back to page 43 and read there.

Unlike CharLIE bitter hatred of Nvidia, i did not say an unkind word about AMD or their HD 7970 in my preview article.
Then people read it, and comment its nothing but negative sping from Appopin in it, and based on his own speculation.

Apperntly its that way because he didnt get a card to review.
So it reads like "bitter hatred" from him (something unlike charlie he apperntly doesnt do).

He says he doesnt like Radeon users, so hes rarely here anymore.
At which point AnandThenMan post this:





to which Appopin re:

As to my posting "a lot" here. i posted in SIX (6) threads in video in the past month (30 days). i guess that is way too much for you Radeon guys.
Then we get you calling people Douchbages. Which isnt helping the situation.

If anything it sounds like Appopin is in the wrong here.

This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club.

He keeps bashing on AMD users, lmao.
For what? because people dont love his artical that read like a charlie piece? full of bitter hatre towards amd?
(charlies is just towards nvidia, only differnce)
 
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Will Robinson

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Apoopin wrote:
That's it. And frankly i don't need to post here at all. This forum resembles a whiny AMD fan club.
Say Hi to Rollo for us...hope he has proof read(and approved) your new review or NV HQ may be miffed....:whiste:
 
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