I guess the gtx 680 should cost $700 upon release. Then the 8970 should be $775. Followed by the 780 at $999.
LCD TV's should be near $7,000 a piece at this point. I mean better performance and bigger screens should equal higher prices.
You people still argueing about that whining Oppop article? Its only a stinking article, not the end of the world. Let it go already......
Are some people overlooking the fact that after the XT2900 og 3xxx series AMD needed to gain support...so they lowered their prices...but that really hurt their bottomline.
Now they return to normal...and people seem surprised?
really sad they crippled their own release by a greedy price point.
Imagine the reaction at $450, or even $499.
The problem with that is the 580 is a 520mm^2 chip.
The 7970 is only 365mm^2.
Im guessing that the 580 costs alot more to make, lowering its price that much would probably mean nvidia would be make alot less on them.
I think nvidia would prefer to keep them around the 500$ range, even if they sell less of them.
AMD doesn't care. They'll sell all their 7970's until Nvidia forces them to do something.
Just using the info posted here to show how die size / price can be all over the place. Cayman die size was 389 and they sold at 379.00.
The 7970 has over 4 billion transistors (at least sounds very impressive). I imagine they have a business model envisioned where there is some work-station counter-part to the 7970. We will have to see bench numbers how those compare to the 5000 dollar Fermi based work-station cards. To understand how /where the profit is made.
Now they return to normal...and people seem surprised?
First of all, you can't compare near-commodity level consumer electronics with premium video cards. There's much more competition in the LCD TV market, with over a dozen brands, and LCD panels are produced by the millions at very low cost.
GTX 680 should be priced commensurate with the competition. If the GTX 680 is released in April, and outperforms the $499 7970 by 20%, then I'd expect a price of $550-600. But, supposing Nvidia is losing marketshare and/or mindshare to AMD at that time, maybe the GTX 680 is $499, we can hope.
Well he was right and your whineposts about his preview stand like a foot-in-mouth now *shrugs*
But I understand why you want to move on :whiste:
You might be surprised. Most consumers don't take kindly to price gouging, myself included. They'll sell the first run out for sure. What happens when nvidia drops prices on the 580 and AMD is tied to a $550 price point? They can't just drop the 7970 price by $150. That would be very unfair for the customers that paid the $550. How many customers would they lose by doing that?
A $220 gtx 560 ti will play 99% of games maxed out at 1080p. Good luck finding enough people to buy a $550 card. Thinking the 680 could sell at $600 is ridiculous.
Sure it was -- they both offered the highest performance, specifically with tessellation and GPU processing -- very similar but the 7970 may be more balanced with stronger performance per watt and cooler to many.
Whats the muffler for? It's not noisy under load.
I have the antec kuhler 620 (silent) setup, 2500k @ 4.5ghz (the limit of mITX MB) no more than 52C under load. The air is sucked in of the case from the sides/top and vented out the front, no hot air in the case. GPU has almost separate air intake from side taking in cool RT air, exhausting it out the rear.
It fits 10 inch cards fine, but anything bigger you need to cut the front panel.. i don't have a dremmel and its gonna be messy. But i've been waiting for 28nm to get top performance @ ~200W mark, the 7970 fits that bill perfect.
Very similar setup to this one, with the 3.5 inch HDD sitting beneath the PSU on top of the CPU, water cooling such as H70 or 620 are a must as theres not much room for airflow or a good HSF for overclocking.
I have that case myself. It's not noisy as long as it does not have noisy components. However it does not shield or dampen noise at all, so something as loud as an hd7970 is going to be heard loud and clear in that case. Hence, you'll need a muffler. And a dremmel. Hmmm come to think of it, didn't you say you wouldn't buy this card if it was as long as the hd6970?
You might be surprised. Most consumers don't take kindly to price gouging, myself included. They'll sell the first run out for sure. What happens when nvidia drops prices on the 580 and AMD is tied to a $550 price point? They can't just drop the 7970 price by $150. That would be very unfair for the customers that paid the $550. How many customers would they lose by doing that?
The 7970 offers over twice the performance/watt as the 480. The power draw/heat was one of the biggest complaints about Fermi initially, which is why the comparison is so out to lunch. Fermi still has some heat/power issues, Nvidia has wisely implemented aggressive power draw clamping in drivers to help offset this.
It doesn't matter. The Fermi comparison was not made by me. The 7970 is not "slow, hot, suffering from yield issues" like Fermi was. At all. It was a dumb comparison at best.I'm assuming you know that they are on two different nodes, and are choosing to ignore that fact in your discussions of performance/watt. :awe:
LOL, remember what I said about reading comprehension...
Inside sources tell ABT that the HD 7970 is likely to be released much like GF 100 Fermi was. Originally, Nvidia released the hot-running and poor-yielding GTX 480 which was later reworked into the greatly improved GF110 GTX 580.
I'm assuming you know that they are on two different nodes, and are choosing to ignore that fact in your discussions of performance/watt. :awe: