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AdamK47

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Also Titan has already fallen £80 within weeks of launch. Prices are falling already due to poor sales. Consumer wins when you vote with your wallet.

I must have missed it. Can you post the source for Titan sales number?
 

bystander36

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Yes and that is called screen tearing.

Why would someone want to up the visual quality and then put up with horrific screen tearing.

Choose and argument and stick to it.

I have stuck with my argument, or can you not even figure that out?

Your opinion is not the same as everyone else's and what you think are facts are not.

What you call horrific screen tearing is an opinion. I wouldn't consider 80 FPS causing horrific screen tearing, but I do recognize it causes screen tearing. On my 120hz monitor, 80 FPS doesn't tear all that much.

I also recognize that 80+ FPS lessens latency, and lower latency trumps no tearing in my opinion. Even though 80+ FPS is needed for me not to get nauseated, I did not call it a fact, because other people are not as sensitive to latency as I am, just like other people are not as sensitive to tearing as you. Just like others value higher image quality over no tearing...

A fact is something indisputable.
 
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Fx1

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You have not specified a requirement to call it a fact.

If your requirement is to play Crysis 3 at max settings on 1440p, then all you have to do is be able to play Crysis 3 at max settings on 1440p. 60 FPS is not a requirement.

Seriously go to school.

I think you need to go to school. I cant understand any of that you just wrote.
 

Elfear

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30-40% slower than high end, shareholders are still getting theirs off you :thumbsup:

You mean 18-35% slower. :hmm:

I guess if you consider $1000 the new high-end then you are correct. Personally I would consider that uber high-end much like the 8800 Ultra and 6800 Ultra Extreme.
 

Fx1

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30-40% slower than high end, shareholders are still getting theirs off you :thumbsup:

No im pretty sure that the deal i got wont make Nvidia shareholders rich.

My 7970's might keep AMD out of bankruptcy though.

Also at £300 it was a bargain considering im running at 1125/1700 24/7 which is likely only about 25% slower than an £850 Titan

Oh and 3 free games

:thumbsup:
 

bystander36

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Yes.

More powerful GPU/CPU/Memory = More FPS

Do you want me to prove the moon landing happened and the world is round next?

Yes, a more powerful computer, assuming it is designed to play games, can generate more FPS, but you have not proven what is considered powerful enough.

Hint: For me, it takes 80 FPS to be powerful enough, for you it takes 60 FPS, for other people who have weighed in, 30 FPS is enough. Most review sites consider 30-40 FPS to be powerful enough.
 
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Fx1

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Yes, a more powerful computer, assuming it is designed to play games, can generate more FPS, but you have not proven what is considered powerful enough.

Since a monitor is capped at 60fps unless its 120hz. 60 FPS is a key metric of performance.

So basically you need to spec up your system to play the games at 60fps or turn down the graphics so you can maintain 60 FPS.

Its a pretty simple concept.
 

bystander36

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Since a monitor is capped at 60fps unless its 120hz. 60 FPS is a key metric of performance.

So basically you need to spec up your system to play the games at 60fps or turn down the graphics so you can maintain 60 FPS.

Its a pretty simple concept.

Now prove that syncing up to your refresh rate is a requirement.

Note: Your statement was, "If your PC cant run a game at 60 FPS. Then your system isnt powerful enough." It does not say anything about requiring you to be synced up to your refresh rate.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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You mean 18-35% slower. :hmm:

I guess if you consider $1000 the new high-end then you are correct. Personally I would consider that uber high-end much like the 8800 Ultra and 6800 Ultra Extreme.

Or -5-exponentially% faster, whatever works for you though I couldn't care less.


I would rather choose to look at hardware specs and performance while ignoring price.

I wouldn't want to approach hardware as an ignorant consumer, I don't think we should at a tech site in a tech discussion.
 

bystander36

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It should just be dropped. He clearly can't see that it is something subjective, or just won't admit he is wrong.
 

parvadomus

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I also would not recommend anyone use more than 4x MSAA on demanding games, and I'm perfectly fine with sacrificing some settings for 80+ FPS, but I'm not so self absorbed to think that my opinion is the only opinion. Unfortunately, I don't believe Fx1 and possibly a couple others here would consider 80+ FPS to be acceptable (yes, I have a 120hz monitor), as it hurts their AMD is perfect ideal.

Dont know what this has to do with AMD. But I agree with FX1 playing below 60 fps sucks, it´s just not smooth. I will sacrifice image quality any day to stay at 60 or better, and if the game is not sensitive to input lag I will choose vsync on always.
 

crashtech

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Dont know what this has to do with AMD. But I agree with FX1 playing below 60 fps sucks, it´s just not smooth. I will sacrifice image quality any day to stay at 60 or better, and if the game is not sensitive to input lag I will choose vsync on always.

But you are correctly expressing your preferences as such, and not as immutable truths, which is a much more agreeable stance.
 

Elfear

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Or -5-exponentially% faster, whatever works for you though I couldn't care less.


I would rather choose to look at hardware specs and performance while ignoring price.

I wouldn't want to approach hardware as an ignorant consumer, I don't think we should at a tech site in a tech discussion.

I look at it more what is currently in the market rather than what we expected from each manufacturer and the "real" successor to last gen's high-end. Otherwise we're left saying there was no high-end for ~14 months.

Even performance-wise I'm not sure how your definition would work. Would a 6970/580 be mid-range like the 7970/680 even though there is a large performance delta there (larger gap than Titan vs. 7970/680) or would they be low-end? If 6970/580 are low-end, what would that make a 6950/570 or 6870/560Ti?
 

bystander36

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Dont know what this has to do with AMD. But I agree with FX1 playing below 60 fps sucks, it´s just not smooth. I will sacrifice image quality any day to stay at 60 or better, and if the game is not sensitive to input lag I will choose vsync on always.

Like I said, I personally sacrifice to reach 80 FPS, unless in 3D Vision, then it is 60 FPS. However, not everyone has the same opinion as me. Some people are perfectly happy at 40 FPS.

The only reason the topic started, was a review was done that showed AMD had microstutter issues below 60 FPS. To Fx1, the review was invalid, as they weren't playing at the "right" FPS. The way I play, at 80+ FPS, is also wrong in Fx1's opinion, because it is not at 60 FPS with v-sync on. (but he doesn't recognize it as an opinion. He called it a scientific fact earlier).
 
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Fx1

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Like I said, I personally sacrifice to reach 80 FPS, unless in 3D Vision, then it is 60 FPS. However, not everyone has the same opinion as me. Some people are perfectly happy at 40 FPS.

The only reason the topic started, was a review was done that showed AMD had microstutter issues below 60 FPS. To Fx1, the review was invalid, as they weren't playing at the "right" FPS. They way I play, at 80+ FPS, is also wrong in Fx1's opinion, because it is not at 60 FPS with v-sync on. (but he doesn't recognize it as an opinion. He called it a scientific fact earlier).

The only way you can play at 40fps is with a frame limiter. Also you are going to be tearing to hell. BF3 is awful for this.

This is an oxymoron if i ever saw one. On one hand they claim they want amazing visuals from max settings but they also have to put up with screen tearing which is one of the worst visual problems with gaming on PC without vsync.
 
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