AMD Radeon 7990 reviews thread

[bystander36]

The only way you can play at 40fps is with a frame limiter. Also you are going to be tearing to hell. BF3 is awful for this.

This is an oxymoron if i ever saw one. On one hand they claim they want amazing visuals from max settings but they also have to put up with screen tearing which is one of the worst visual problems with gaming on PC without vsync.

I see tons of posts from people who cannot see tearing until their FPS is higher than their refresh rate. In some games, I can't see it at all either. Due to tearing being minimal with FPS below your refresh rate, there is even a myth that has gone wild, about how you can't get tearing with FPS below your refresh rate.

 

[Fx1]

I see tons of posts from people who cannot see tearing until their FPS is higher than their refresh rate. In some games, I can't see it at all either. Due to tearing being minimal with FPS below your refresh rate, there is even a myth that has gone wild, about how you can't get tearing with FPS below your refresh rate.

40 FPS is a stuttering mess. If your pushing your system to max to get 40FPS out of a game then your going to see all sorts of problems.

Bottlenecks and slowdowns with your PC running at 100% sucks.

There is a good reason to only run your PC at 90%. Less parts fail, smoother game play. If your OC isnt 100% stable its less likely to crap out when your chips are cooler and running below full utilisation.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Really depends on the engine, some games I'm perfectly fine with 30 fps. I can tell the difference between 30 and 60, but 30 isn't bad enough that I'd rather lose the IQ for 60.

Other games like FarCry 3 are terrible up to 60, and beyond with my 7950.



However what we have here is Fx1 trying to wrap up the world in 60 fps min/avg/max because coming off that means you're either at 30, inducing more input lag than just vsync, stuttering because you have a Radeon, or stuttering because you have two.

That's why he's all in.

 

[Fx1]

Really depends on the engine, some games I'm perfectly fine with 30 fps. I can tell the difference between 30 and 60, but 30 isn't bad enough that I'd rather lose the IQ for 60.

Other games like FarCry 3 are terrible up to 60, and beyond with my 7950.



However what we have here is Fx1 trying to wrap up the world in 60 fps min/avg/max because coming off that means you're either at 30, inducing more input lag than just vsync, stuttering because you have a Radeon, or stuttering because you have two.

That's why he's all in.

Im all in because PC gaming is 60FPS. Not 30.. who games at 30? seriously...

Since when is this all about AMD? Also whats the relevance?

 

[bystander36]

Im all in because PC gaming is 60FPS. Not 30.. who games at 30? seriously...

Since when is this all about AMD? Also whats the relevance?

We, or at least myself, thought this is the most logical course of reasoning behind your ramblings. If it is not, the alternatives make you look more foolish.

 

[AdamK47]

Fx1 likes to state his opinions as facts.

He fits in nicely around here.

 

[Will Robinson]

Im all in because PC gaming is 60FPS. Not 30.. who games at 30? seriously...

Since when is this all about AMD? Also whats the relevance?

QFT....give the AMD bashing a rest Balla...it is so trite seeing you write "HD7970 is mid-range bro" etc etc. then follow it up with "I wouldn't want to approach hardware as an ignorant consumer"...because that's how it makes you look...:thumbsdown:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

QFT....give the AMD bashing a rest Balla...it is so trite seeing you write "HD7970 is mid-range bro" etc etc. then follow it up with "I wouldn't want to approach hardware as an ignorant consumer"...because that's how it makes you look...:thumbsdown:

Oh I'm sorry Willy, I forgot you were emotionally invested in one of the companies being discussed.

 

[blackened23]

I don't like the cat in your avatar. What.

Anyway, yeah FX1, you should consider taking a deep breath before hitting post. I don't mean any offense or anything but you have a serious tendency of adding fuel to a fire or starting them outright.

 

[pandemonium]

Flagship card fails to impress. Check.

Flagship card stirs endless comparing performance criteria. Check.

Flagship card makes AT'ers debate personal preferences and how theirs is right and others are wrong. Check.

What'd I miss?

Seriously though, we all have our preferences. If you can sacrifice a few framerates for better eye-candy, that's up to you. Don't knock someone for doing so (unless they're on your team in your favorite FPS shooting you in the back due to low framerates; then, by all means, cry bloody murder). Figure out what you like and roll with it. Not everyone has the infinite budget or infinitely high standards, either.

 

[Souv]

Guys just finished Bioshock Infinite,one of the best games I played till now..
It's not just a modern trend of generic corridor shooter as COD,BF,....but something special and very unique(I will not sprout any spoilers though)
Infinite unleashes the hidden potential of video gaming

 

[Silverforce11]

You are basing your opinion on an assumption and unless you can produce stats to show that the majority of people who purchase $1000 GPUs do so to attain 60FPS I could easily assume otherwise.

I don't need to produce stats for such obvious assumptions, if one visited gaming forums frequently, one would see the expected norms.

If I said most ppl who buy top end GPUs do not game at 1024 x 768 res, I would be right, I don't need to produce stats.

 

[Fx1]

I don't like the cat in your avatar. What.

Anyway, yeah FX1, you should consider taking a deep breath before hitting post. I don't mean any offense or anything but you have a serious tendency of adding fuel to a fire or starting them outright.

Yeh coming from the guy who said Hi-PPI monitors wouldnt exist.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/08/sony-4k-oled-prototypes/

Didnt we have like a 10 page argument about this?

Then 1 week later about 5 showed up at CES or something?

 

[NIGELG]

7970 is not mid range....

D:

 

[ICDP]

I don't need to produce stats for such obvious assumptions, if one visited gaming forums frequently, one would see the expected norms.

If I said most ppl who buy top end GPUs do not game at 1024 x 768 res, I would be right, I don't need to produce stats.

Nobody brought up 1024x768 as a variable apart from you, nice attempt at a strawman argument. You cannot assume that everyone who purchases a high end $1000 GPU does so to exclusively game at 60FPS. The are more than enough of them who do so to push up the eye candy.

Once again you present your opinions as facts without a hint of irony. Just because you prefer 60FPS and will compromise eye candy to reach that goal does not mean everyone else shares the same opinion. This all stems from Fx1 arrogantly claiming that anyone who games at less than 60 FPS should be pitied and you agreed with him.

 

[Fx1]

Nobody brought up 1024x768 as a variable apart from you, nice attempt at a strawman argument. You cannot assume that everyone who purchases a high end $1000 GPU does so to exclusively game at 60FPS. The are more than enough of them who do so to push up the eye candy.

Once again you present your opinions as facts without a hint of irony. Just because you prefer 60FPS and will compromise eye candy to reach that goal does not mean everyone else shares the same opinion. This all stems from Fx1 arrogantly claiming that anyone who games at less than 60 FPS should be pitied and you agreed with him.

Oh just bore off will ya.

If you try and say that people actually prefer to game at 30-40 FPS rather than 60FPS then you are just trolling.

I played crysis with frequent dips to 30fps and it was unplayable in comparison. No vsync and FPS between 25 and 80 FPS depending on where i was looking. It ruined the experience.

Just because some people like to eat dog shit, doesnt mean its a good idea.

 

[Silverforce11]

Nobody brought up 1024x768 as a variable apart from you, nice attempt at a strawman argument. You cannot assume that everyone who purchases a high end $1000 GPU does so to exclusively game at 60FPS. The are more than enough of them who do so to push up the eye candy.

Once again you present your opinions as facts without a hint of irony. Just because you prefer 60FPS and will compromise eye candy to reach that goal does not mean everyone else shares the same opinion. This all stems from Fx1 arrogantly claiming that anyone who games at less than 60 FPS should be pitied and you agreed with him.

So you visit game forums often and you agree with the statement that people who folk out for expensive rigs prefer to game at 30 fps? Which is more likely true, they prefer >60fps or 30 fps? Use your logic please instead of being contrary for the sake of contrarian.

As ive also said several times, everyone is entitled to opinions. But whether it carries the same weight or not is different. The 1024x768 is an example, because some review sites still bench low res and include it as a valid result, even when they review high end cards.. while it is valid, it carries no weight.

 

[ICDP]

Lol, nice work Fx1, bring the discussion down to the toilet. :thumbsup:

Silverforce, just because you think your opinion carries more weight than someone elses does not make it a fact. This is an entirely subjective issue and a majority opinion on subjective issues do not = fact. How can you not grasp that simple concept?

You do not get to tell someone they are to be pitied or laugh at their preference for FPS vs Eyecandy in video games. Take a step back from the monitor and get a grip.

 

[Silverforce11]

Lol, nice work Fx1, bring the discussion down to the toilet. :thumbsup:

Silverforce, just because you think your opinion carries more weight than someone elses does not make it a fact. This is an entirely subjective issue and a majority opinion on subjective issues do not = fact. How can you not grasp that simple concept?

You do not get to tell someone they are to be pitied or laugh at their preference for FPS vs Eyecandy in video games. Take a step back from the monitor and get a grip.

Did I ever say it was fact? No, since the first post you started criticizing me, I already responded: everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I get to tell someone whatever because its my opinion. Just as you are now going sermon mode on me. If someone comes to an enthusiast PC forum and laments that the latest and greatest $1k gpu is bad because they prefer to game at 30 fps.. then I sure as heck will say they are full of it and should stick to consoles.

 

[Fx1]

Lol, nice work Fx1, bring the discussion down to the toilet. :thumbsup:

Silverforce, just because you think your opinion carries more weight than someone elses does not make it a fact. This is an entirely subjective issue and a majority opinion on subjective issues do not = fact. How can you not grasp that simple concept?

You do not get to tell someone they are to be pitied or laugh at their preference for FPS vs Eyecandy in video games. Take a step back from the monitor and get a grip.

No its not subjective.

30 FPS isnt as good as 60 FPS the same way 120FPS rules both.

Side by side comparison of settings is nearly impossible to guess when its turned on or off most of the time. Far Cry and Crysis 3 are great examples of this.

But you can always see the difference between 30 and 60 FPS.

If you try and argue with me that people prefer to lose 50% frames rather than reduce image quality in ways you can barely detect then i call BULL S%^&.

If people are doing this then they just dont have a clue about PC gaming. They turn the game on and max out the settings and play through a game with a screen tearing and stuttering mess.

Ignorance isnt brilliance. These people just dont know better or have any clue.

 

[NIGELG]

Steady45 fps with all eye candy vs 60 fps with compromises....I'll take the former any time.

 

[Fx1]

Steady45 fps with all eye candy vs 60 fps with compromises....I'll take the former any time.

You do realise that some eye candy actually makes games look worse by adding stupid effects such as the foggy effect of distance and blurring of motion and other crap like that to add "effect"

This often causes the game to run at 45fps rather than 60fps.

I know what id do.

 

[Will Robinson]

Look,we've all seen the screenshots posted from time to time where AMD or NVDA fans are poring over fairly small visual details.
2xAA V 4xAA with some AF thrown in etc etc.
I'll bet a lot of the time you click on the pics and then really have to concentrate to pick out the "shock horror" of slightly less AA etc.I know I do and often wonder what all the fuss is about.
It's reasonable then to ease off on some settings if you can go from a 45fps ish to a slicker 60fps.
That will be more noticeable than a slightly jaggy guard rail edge somewhere during the game.
I think Fx1's opinion is the correct one.

 

[Elfear]

Steady45 fps with all eye candy vs 60 fps with compromises....I'll take the former any time.

+1

As long as a setting adds a perceivable improvement, I can deal with a little less fps. Some games run best at 60+fps but a lot of single player games run fine at 45fps.

 

[Jaydip]

Why we are dealing with a subjective matter that can be proven neither true nor false? Move on guys.