AMD Radeon GPU appears, beats GeForce RTX 2080 Ti by 17% TweakTown

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AMD Radeon GPU appears, beats GeForce RTX 2080 Ti by 17%

AMD didn't show off anything related to Big Navi at CES 2020, and while AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su did say that AMD would be returning with a high-end GPU in 2020.

Well, barely 24 hours later a mysterious entry has appeared in the OpenVR benchmarks results database. The entry is called 'AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics' and nothing specific, so we could be looking at a dual-GPU solution or Big Navi itself.

Whatever it is, it is fast -- as it beats out a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, and that's a very, very big deal. You might be sitting back not believing this, but imagine that something similar to this leaked out before the first-gen Ryzen CPUs. Imagine the headlines "AMD so far behind in CPUs, but they're coming back and will beat Intel!" -- no one would believe it. Fast forward to now, and oh boy how the tables have turned.

Could we expect a huge David and Goliath match between AMD and NVIDIA this year, something that we've all been salivating over and wanting for what feels like forever? Please, please let that be the case. I personally (and professionally) can't wait to see what AMD can do with Big Navi.

During a Q&A roundtable at CES, AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su said: "[laughs] I know those on Reddit want a high-end Navi! You should expect that we will have a high-end Navi, and that it is important to have it. The discrete graphics market, especially at the high-end, is very important to us. So you should expect that we will have a high-end Navi, although I don't usually comment on unannounced products".

 

[Hans Gruber]

The problem is Ampere coming out later this year on 7nm. Nvidia has already hinted that gamers would be happy with the performance improvements over Turing cards. 18-20% (Turing cards) would mean that AMD big NAVI would still be trailing Nvidia when Ampere is released.

 

[Shamrock]

That 103 score was also tested on the 4800H MOBILE cpu. Throw it on a 3950x and see how much.

Also, if NV is getting 18-20% improvements, wouldn't that put AMD neck and neck? Since they got 17% better than 2080 TI.

 

[Shmee]

Hmm, looking forward to more info on it. Hopefully it isn't too expensive.

 

[happy medium]

Didnt I read this was actually a 3070 Nvidia card?
It's been rumored all over the web Amper will be 50% faster than current cards.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Didnt I read this was actually a 3070 Nvidia card?
It's been rumored all over the web Amper will be 50% faster than current cards.

That is the rumor. AMD is better off playing the inexpensive game vs. Nvidia. Consider how much AMD gained with the shrink to 7nm for the 5700 and 5700XT which was simply a die shrink alone.

 

[Shmee]

That is the rumor. AMD is better off playing the inexpensive game vs. Nvidia. Consider how much AMD gained with the shrink to 7nm for the 5700 and 5700XT which was simply a die shrink alone.

Well, it depends when Ampere is out and how good it is / how expensive it is. Also, my understanding is that Navi is a new architecture, more than a die shrink to 7nm. You may be thinking of the Radeon VII, which is a Vega on 7nm.

 

[Kedas]

Didnt I read this was actually a 3070 Nvidia card?
It's been rumored all over the web Amper will be 50% faster than current cards.

The process move from 12nm to 7nm will be more or less the same like AMD had.
50% power at the same speed OR 20-25% speed for the same power
and about 40-50% die size reduction.
And then people start mixing these numbers.

Obviously they will have updated the ray-tracing hardware so I do expect a bigger jump in that area, or should I say a smaller drop with ray tracing on.

About big Navi:
The way Lisa said it like " it is important to have it " like it won't be sold a lot, I think it will be very expensive seems like she talked about a halo product not something you will buy.
So I don't see much hope for lower prices in the high end market.

 

[happy medium]

The process move from 12nm to 7nm will be more or less the same like AMD had.
50% power at the same speed OR 20-25% speed for the same power
and about 40-50% die size reduction.
And then people start mixing these numbers.

Obviously they will have updated the ray-tracing hardware so I do expect a bigger jump in that area, or should I say a smaller drop with ray tracing on.

About big Navi:
The way Lisa said it like " it is important to have it " like it won't be sold a lot, I think it will be very expensive seems like she talked about a halo product not something you will buy.
So I don't see much hope for lower prices in the high end market.

AMD'S 7nm is less efficient than Nvidia's 12nm.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think that AMD's Trademark lawyers would have something to say about an NVidia hypothetical 3070 card identifying in drivers as a "Radeon (tm)" card. Let's just say, that's not a plausible explanation, and that NVidia fans should be ashamed for promulgating that rumor.

 

[Kedas]

AMD'S 7nm is less efficient than Nvidia's 12nm.

Not sure what your point is, AMD's current GPU design is indeed less efficient than NVIDIA's, It doesn't change the relative expected improvements of changing process node for both.

It does indicate though that there is potential progress to be made for AMD in the GPU design department.

 

[Kenmitch]

I think that AMD's Trademark lawyers would have something to say about an NVidia hypothetical 3070 card identifying in drivers as a "Radeon (tm)" card. Let's just say, that's not a plausible explanation, and that NVidia fans should be ashamed for promulgating that rumor.

I viewed it as nothing more than a green turd. Some unfortunate soles will do whatever it takes to keep their will never buy the brand down. It's weird how some will seek and destroy anything positive while never acknowledging any accomplishments from said company. It must be some kind of illness caused by the drinking of too much Kool-Aid.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

While AMD definitely upped the transistor density going from 16/12nm to 7nm, they did not come anywhere close to 7nm's theoretical max transistor density. wonder if we're going to see a much denser chip with big Navi.

Maybe they had to do this to build a HP part on a "mobile" process, but it will be really interesting to see what happens with 7nm EUV, which looks like a bigger jump than 16nm to 12nm, and if we're going to get a respun 5700xt and 5500xt.

2020 should be a fun year for GPU releases, I know I'll be mainlining GPU reviews and "deep dives" (still waiting for the 5700xt deep dive and the GTX 960 review, AT) as soon as they hit the web.

 

[Mopetar]

Didnt I read this was actually a 3070 Nvidia card?
It's been rumored all over the web Amper will be 50% faster than current cards.

I think the test was done using one of AMDs new APUs for the CPU so it would be really weird for unreleased NVidia hardware to be paired with unreleased AMD hardware.

The more likely explanation would be that it’s an elaborate hoax. I also don’t think anyone would expect AMD to keep the performance crown with big Navi if they managed to take it at all. NVidia would make sure to beat it and they’re almost assured to have the advantage of seeing what AMD does before they release their own cards.

 

[happy medium]

I think the test was done using one of AMDs new APUs for the CPU so it would be really weird for unreleased NVidia hardware to be paired with unreleased AMD hardware.

The more likely explanation would be that it’s an elaborate hoax. I also don’t think anyone would expect AMD to keep the performance crown with big Navi if they managed to take it at all. NVidia would make sure to beat it and they’re almost assured to have the advantage of seeing what AMD does before they release their own cards.

Well I agree with the article when they said what better way to hide an Nvidia card then to use a mobile AMD cpu...
But your right it doesn't make a difference these big Navi cards are as good as cooked with new Nvidia cards on the horizon.

Actually a big Navi card should beat the 2 year old 2080ti,if not it's a total failure in my eyes.

 

[Mopetar]

I don’t think NVidia is any hurry to release. Just like everyone else right now they’re limited on wafers for 7nm which means they prioritize dies.

We’re not going to see them rushing to release a consumer card when customers are content to wait at the expense of the enterprise parts that sell for thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars.

The only NVidia customers that will rush to buy a big Navi with top dog performance are the same ones that will by the next NVidia card that takes the crown back. The rest of their lineup already competes fine and they can always cut prices to better align, but AMD seems content to match NVidia on price rather than start a price war so expect big Navi to carry 2080 Ti prices if that’s where it performs.

I could well be wrong, but I suspect that distant horizons is a better description of where things are at as far as new NVidia cards are concerned.

 

[maddie]

Well I agree with the article when they said what better way to hide an Nvidia card then to use a mobile AMD cpu...
But your right it doesn't make a difference these big Navi cards are as good as cooked with new Nvidia cards on the horizon.

Actually a big Navi card should beat the 2 year old 2080ti,if not it's a total failure in my eyes.

He said unreleased AMD GPU. There is a difference.

 

[lopri]

Beating the 2080 Ti by 17% is a big deal for AMD considering where their GPUs positioned in the market in the last few years, but I doubt that NV will let AMD to steal the crown. NV will pull whatever trick is necessary to not allow that to happen. Though it may turn out to be a win-win-win for AMD, NV, and the consumers, especially considering TSMC's now-mature 7nm (+?) process.

 

[Glo.]

Well I agree with the article when they said what better way to hide an Nvidia card then to use a mobile AMD cpu...
But your right it doesn't make a difference these big Navi cards are as good as cooked with new Nvidia cards on the horizon.

Actually a big Navi card should beat the 2 year old 2080ti,if not it's a total failure in my eyes.

Nvidia gaming cards have not been taped out yet, if you do not believe, go to Ampere thread and read about the proofs, with sources of this information.

And no, Nvidia gaming cards are not Ampere which also has been proven.

The GPU in this benchmark is AMD GPU, that is 30% faster than standard RTX 2080 Ti, and 17% faster than heavily OCed RTX 2080 Ti.

And Nvidia is preparing RTX 2080 Ti Super with full 4608 Alus, 12 GDDR6 memory chips that are 16 Gbps, to counter this GPU.

Will they succeed? Unlikely. AMD can undercut Nvidia, with massively smaller dies - lower manufacturing costs, which will result in lower price, and higher performance.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Nvidia gaming cards have not been taped out yet, if you do not believe, go to Ampere thread and read about the proofs, with sources of this information.

And no, Nvidia gaming cards are not Ampere which also has been proven.

The GPU in this benchmark is AMD GPU, that is 30% faster than standard RTX 2080 Ti, and 17% faster than heavily OCed RTX 2080 Ti.

And Nvidia is preparing RTX 2080 Ti Super with full 4608 Alus, 12 GDDR6 memory chips that are 16 Gbps, to counter this GPU.

Will they succeed? Unlikely. AMD can undercut Nvidia, with massively smaller dies - lower manufacturing costs, which will result in lower price, and higher performance.

Great points. The problem. AMD needs to release big Navi sooner rather than later. When Ampere is finally released on 7nm. It could spell trouble for AMD GPU's if the performance increase is significant. AMD knows how to play the low price game. Which is where most of the computer gaming market resides.

 

[Glo.]

Great points. The problem. AMD needs to release big Navi sooner rather than later. When Ampere is finally released on 7nm. It could spell trouble for AMD GPU's if the performance increase is significant. AMD knows how to play the low price game. Which is where most of the computer gaming market resides.

Ampere is HPC chip ONLY. There are no Gaming Ampere cards. Look in the Ampere thread, where I have brought you proofs. Gaming Nvidia cards HAVE NOT BEEN TAPED OUT YET. And they are not Ampere architecture.

Why AMD has to rush? Nvidia is late to the party with their products, so why would AMD Rush Big navi release? Bake it, make it good. They have plenty of time, and they will regain mindshare with Big Navi, because Nvidia cannot deliver their products, yet.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Why AMD has to rush? Nvidia is late to the party with their products, so why would AMD Rush Big navi release? Bake it, make it good. They have plenty of time, and they will regain mindshare with Big Navi, because Nvidia cannot deliver their products, yet.

Because they're still behind the 2070s/2080/2080s/2080ti? Granted the 5700 cards are in fat margins territory, while larger dies on the 7nm process might not maintain the same low defect rates and as a result dig into their margins.

If anyone doesn't have to get a move on things here, it's NV. They're still basically ahead in most/all metrics, and the only place AMD is really competitive right now (pre-5600) is right in the middle of the stack (crap-tier pricing on 5500 series kills that line-up right off the bat).

 

[aigomorla]

i heard this is a leak of the new super Navi card that is supposed to beat the turing.

AMD confirms ‘Nvidia killer’ graphics card will be out in 2020

Big Navi could show up sooner rather than later this year

www.techradar.com

It was dropped, and i am quite excited by it, as i would really LOVE to get off Nvidia again.
The last time i was off Nvidia was during my 4870X2 in quadfire.