AMD Radeon HD 9970 Specifications Leaked – Twice as fast as GTX 780 (ChipLoco rumor)

[3DVagabond]

OK, this ought to really get some excitement going, by both those who believe it, and by those who won't. I was going to add it to one of the other threads, but figured it's too much to be contained within another post. Personally I'd be shocked if it has any legitimacy.

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GPUBoss got hold of a sample of the upcoming flagship GPU, Radeon HD 9970. The specifications reveal that it has double the power compared to GeForce GTX 780 and looks to be faster than the GTX TITAN. LINK

Supposed 20nm sample in the wild? Say it ain't so!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Twice as fast as the 780, oh and also by association faster than the Titan.

lol...

This would be a far better outcome to silly season than any 28nm refresh would produce.

 

[seitur]

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I mean I want AMD to release products that are good performers and have better performance / price ratio than current offerings on the market, but 2x 780 is not even entertaining. I mean if someone make rumors at least make them theoretically beliveable - then rumor lives longer ;p

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[Jaydip]

I sincerely hope they won't make the same mistake with BD.Twice as fast as 780 but retails for ~$600, yeah that makes complete sense

 

[3DVagabond]

The most outrageous part of the rumor is that "GPUBoss", whoever that is, actually has one of these mythical beasts. Delivered, no doubt, by Mercury himself.

 

[3DVagabond]

Twice as fast as the 780, oh and also by association faster than the Titan.

lol...

This would be a far better outcome to silly season than any 28nm refresh would produce.

No. double the power. Not twice as fast. This is how ridiculous rumors get started by taking things out of context and misinterpreting them.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So it draws 400w and is faster than Titan?


lol

 

[3DVagabond]

So it draws 400w and is faster than Titan?


lol

You obviously haven't clicked on the link. The TDP is only 5 watts more than the 780.

 

[lehtv]

It's probably going to be a bit faster than Titan, methinks. Like 5-10%.

 

[Black Octagon]

Sigh. That Chipoloco article is from 5 AUGUST, i.e., it is garbage.

People seriously need to look before they leap

 

[Jacky60]

I have a hunch it could be quite a bit faster than we expect. I just don't see how AMD can expect to sell it if it's not very significantly faster than a 7970. The 7990 is the same price as the 780 here (UK) so if AMD introduce the 9970 and it's a little faster than the 780 and matches the Titan, who would buy one when a much quicker card is available (7990) already at the same price. Also wtf has AMD's graphics division been doing these last two years if they can only managed to improve the 7970 by 20-30%.

 

[Black Octagon]

The article is a month old, people!!!

 

[3DVagabond]

The article is a month old, people!!!

If it was printed yesterday, would that make it more believable?

 

[Black Octagon]

It would make it slightly less ridiculous, but I still call BS, especially on the 20nm.

I would be happy, even delighted, to be proven wrong. But I see no reason to consider this rumor anything other than garbage

 

[3DVagabond]

It would make it slightly less ridiculous, but I still call BS, especially on the 20nm.

I would be happy, even delighted, to be proven wrong. But I see no reason to consider this rumor anything other than garbage

What do you mean especially the 20nm? If it's not 20nm how would they get 4096sp, 512bit MB, etc. into a 28nm chip @ ~255W? The only way this can even begin to make sense is if it's on 20nm.

 

[Black Octagon]

I mean I find the very idea of 20nm being ready to be un-entertainable. I therefore think this entire rumor to be nonsense

 

[Leadbox]

What do you mean especially the 20nm? If it's not 20nm how would they get 4096sp, 512bit MB, etc. into a 28nm chip @ ~255W? The only way this can even begin to make sense is if it's on 20nm.

Smaller, simpler and less complex SPs can get you 4096 on 28nm (think GF110 512 CCs vs GK110 2880 CCs
IO of the memory bus is notoriously difficult to shrink so 28nm large chip makes even more sense here for a 512 bit bus

 

[3DVagabond]

I mean I find the very idea of 20nm being ready to be un-entertainable. I therefore think this entire rumor to be nonsense

I agree that the whole thing sounds unreasonable. The only part I find intriguing is the claim that someone actually has one and that's how they know the specs. The audacity just floors me. It's bad enough when people claim sources.

 

[3DVagabond]

Smaller, simpler and less complex SPs can get you 4096 on 28nm (think GF110 512 CCs vs GK110 2880 CCs
IO of the memory bus is notoriously difficult to shrink so 28nm large chip makes even more sense here for a 512 bit bus

They're going to have to be way smaller and less complex. We're talking 70% more and it's not like GK110 leaves a lot of room to grow. It's a pretty big chip already.

 

[Ibra]

Your shoes size + your house number = HD 9970 specifications

 

[Leadbox]

They're going to have to be way smaller and less complex. We're talking 70% more and it's not like GK110 leaves a lot of room to grow. It's a pretty big chip already.

Well, granted its 40nm vs 28nm, but it's still nearly 6 times more CC from GF110 to GK110 whereas it only 2 times more going from Tahiti's 2048 to 4096 so maybe not too small or less complex even on the same 28nm process
It would also have to be a fair bit bigger than tahiti's 365mm in order to pack a 512 bit bus.

Spoiler

I may be reaching a bit here but hey rumour thread right?

 

[Black Octagon]

I agree that the whole thing sounds unreasonable. The only part I find intriguing is the claim that someone actually has one and that's how they know the specs. The audacity just floors me. It's bad enough when people claim sources.

Ah ok, looks like we're on the same page then. The weeks before a new GPU generation launch are always infuriating for me. No matter what happens with Hawaii, you can be sure there will be equally-audacious rumours floating about in the 1-2 months before Maxwell hits.

 

[RussianSensation]

100% fake.

1502mhz memory quad channel = 6Gbps
512-bit bus
Total memory bandwidth = 384 GB/sec

Table says 307 GB/sec.

If the basic math doesn't even add up, how much weight can be put on the credibility of those specs? None.

Also, the article states that the launch is for first quarter of 2014. Makes no sense again.

 

[FalseChristian]

How could the 9970 be as twice as fast as the GTX 780? This has never happened before and never will. Both NVidia and AMD are in Cahoots: "OK, I'll bring something out that's 8% faster than your current flagship and then you bring something out later in, say, 6 months that'll be 8% faster than that."

 

[el etro]

Nops. This rumor is based in that image that came from semiaccurate forums. This numbers are all speculated(and not based in any rumor) based on this image.

The numbers are here: http://gpuboss.com/graphics-card/Radeon-HD-9970

The image that someone used to make this speculation:

These numbers are still unbalanced, it only doubles the specifications of 7970 and pushes the clock to 1Ghz. I still bet 9970 ~ Titan Ultra here.