AMD Radeon HD 9970 Specifications Leaked – Twice as fast as GTX 780 (ChipLoco rumor)

[skipsneeky2]

The circle of trust goes round and round.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

"circle" members are not happy with these tales from the crypt.. The not so good ol days for the green team

 

[boxleitnerb]

http://www.hisdigital.com/un/download1-769.shtml

HIS R7 240 iCooler 2GB DDR3 PCI-E HDMI/SLDVI-D/VGA
HIS R7 240 IceQ 2GB DDR3 PCI-E HDMI/SLDVI-D/VGA
HIS R7 240 iCooler 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E HDMI/SLDVI-D/VGA
HIS R7 250 iCooler 2GB DDR3 PCI-E HDMI/SLDVI-D/VGA
HIS R7 250 iCooler 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E HDMI/SLDVI-D/VGA
HIS R7 250 IceQ 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E HDMI/SLDVI-D/VGA
HIS R9 280X iPower IceQ X² Boost Clock 3GB GDDR5 PCI-E DLDVI-I/HDMI/2xMini DP

So 384-bit and 512-bit for only the most powerful models (290 and 290X)?

 

[Keysplayr]

Looks a lot like the GT2xx days from NV's naming convention.

 

[parvadomus]

http://www.hisdigital.com/un/download1-769.shtml
So 384-bit and 512-bit for only the most powerful models (290 and 290X)?

I think that 280X is 384-bits. It might be the fastest model. 290 could be the dual solution?

 

[wand3r3r]

http://www.hisdigital.com/un/download1-769.shtml
So 384-bit and 512-bit for only the most powerful models (290 and 290X)?

I think that 280X is 384-bits. It might be the fastest model. 290 could be the dual solution?

The 512bit may just be wishful thinking like so many rumors before each launch... Soon enough we'll know.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Or 280X is only Hawaii Pro and 290(X) is Hawaii XT and there won't be a Dual-GPU card until 2014?

 

[parvadomus]

I think 512 bits is too much for a 28nm process. Its easier to go with 384-bit + high speed memory like the GTX770.

 

[boxleitnerb]

R600 and GT200(b) had 512-bits. Bandwidth is important for HPC, don't only think about gaming.

 

[parvadomus]

R600 and GT200(b) had 512-bits. Bandwidth is important for HPC, don't only think about gaming.

They were both terrible products. Bandwidth might me important in some cases, but I dont think AMD will make the same mistake , matching a 512 bit bus with 48 ROPs will account for a similar performance and efficiency penalty as with Tahiti.
And the current HPC competition is based on a 384-bit bus, taking into account current (low) AMD relevance in HPC market plus GCN compute performance vs current NV offerings, why bother with a 512-bit bus?

 

[boxleitnerb]

GT200(b) was not terrible.
As I said, bandwidth is very important. Compute is only one factor but not everything. If AMD wants to really make a dent in the HPC-market, they will need to improve their game. And look at Intel, they have 512-bits and are becoming a serious thread to both, AMD and Nvidia, quickly.

And who said, AMD will run the 512-bit interface at full speed on the Radeons?

 

[HurleyBird]

GT200(b) was not terrible.

Architecturally it most certainly was. RV770 had what, close to twice the perf/transistor? And something like an order of magnitude higher DP throughput? If AMD wouldn't have went with such a pathetically small die for their high end product they would have walked away with the generation easily.

 

[parvadomus]

GT200(b) was not terrible.
As I said, bandwidth is very important. Compute is only one factor but not everything. If AMD wants to really make a dent in the HPC-market, they will need to improve their game. And look at Intel, they have 512-bits and are becoming a serious thread to both, AMD and Nvidia, quickly.

And who said, AMD will run the 512-bit interface at full speed on the Radeons?

You said it, Intel will take HPC market, why bother? Better make faster products for professional market and not HPC.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Architecturally it most certainly was. RV770 had what, close to twice the perf/transistor? And something like an order of magnitude higher DP throughput? If AMD wouldn't have went with such a pathetically small die for their high end product they would have walked away with the generation easily.

Their DP rate was high, but what did it get them? Nvidia dominated the market even more back then than they do today. Who knows what tricks NV had hidden in GT200 that AMD didn't have at that time (cache hierarchy etc.)?

You said it, Intel will take HPC market, why bother? Better make faster products for professional market and not HPC.

Intel are trying. If AMD can get a foot in that market where margins are very high, why not try, too?

 

[Face2Face]

I personally don't think we will see 512 bit bus card this generation (R9) I don't think there is really a need for it. The 7900 series already have a boatload of memory bandwidth and increasing memory frequency for most games does nothing or little to increase performance. I could see AMD putting in higher clocking memory modules though, similar to the GTX 770.

 

[piesquared]

You said it, Intel will take HPC market, why bother? Better make faster products for professional market and not HPC.

Unless Volcanic Islands competes well with Knight's Corner.

 

[DownTheSky]

[redacted] AMD. They're [redacted] morons. If you want greatness you must aim for [redacted] greatness. Instead they go for average. They deserve their fate.

I sincerely hope we don't know everything yet and their new top end will be 512bit 64ROP 3072CU monster.

Warning issued for inappropriate language.
-- stahlhart

 

[ocre]

This is why i thought all this mega hype up was a bad idea. Everyone getting hyped up over god like specs. Its a sure fire way to turn a great achievement to just meh

 

[RussianSensation]

This is why i thought all this mega hype up was a bad idea. Everyone getting hyped up over god like specs. Its a sure fire way to turn a great achievement to just meh

Same thing every generation it seems. People expect unrealistic specs and so far neither NV nor AMD has met those specs since 8800GTX surprised everyone. 512SP GTX480, 768SP GTX580, 30% faster than reality 6970 (aka the next 9700Pro), Titan with 2880 SP @ 1Ghz not too long ago, etc.

1.05Ghz, 2560SP and 48 ROPs, 384-bit bus, 3-4 ACE engines and improved geometry engines and call it 10-11 months until 20nm gen from AMD.

 

[3DVagabond]

This is why i thought all this mega hype up was a bad idea. Everyone getting hyped up over god like specs. Its a sure fire way to turn a great achievement to just meh

Hopefully nobody takes these specs seriously. Maybe next year, but not now.

 

[f1sherman]

Same thing every generation it seems. People expect unrealistic specs and so far neither NV nor AMD have met those specs since 8800GTX surprised everyone. 512SP GTX480, 768SP GTX580, 30% faster than reality 6970 (aka the next 9700Pro), Titan with 2880 SP @ 1Ghz too not long ago, etc.

1.05Ghz, 2560SP and 48 ROPs, 384-bit bus, 3-4 ACE engines and improved geometry engines and call it 10-11 months until 20nm gen from AMD.

False equality!

Lets be honest here - compared to NV, AMD broke at least twice as more dreams, and it does so almost consistently through the history.
5870 being the only notable exception. And 4770 being a big surprise for everyone.

GTX 480... Letdown was only in TDP department, and only somewhat in perf. It still beat 5870 easily.

768 SP 580? Never heard of it.
Actually GTX500 was a huge surprise, and caught AMD with their pants down, remember?
I mean 580 was so bad that 7950 barely beat it WOOT

Titan with 14 CU instead of 15 is a huge let down rly?
If you like OC-ing(j/k we all do), even GTX 780 easily matches that 2880 SP @ 1GHz.

So if anything Nvidia over-delivered with GTX 780. Same as with 680. For anyone in the know anyway.
8 year olds dreams are irrelevant, and bound to stay in dream domain no matter what.

 

[RussianSensation]

Lets be honest here - compared to NV, AMD broke at least twice as more dreams, and it does so almost consistently through the history.

Never in the history of GPU making has AMD ever released any details about its future GPUs, not during 4870/5870/6970 or 7970 eras. You cannot break promises "almost consistently through the history" when the firm made no such promises in the first place. Let's not take random people posting specs online as some information AMD/NV promise to gamers.

I might as well make claims that Maxwell GTX880 will be 2x faster than Kepler GTX780 in Crysis 3 and when it fails, I scream that NV failed to meet their "promises"? AMD promised nothing at all for R9 280X not even a concrete release date.

Also, if to you getting 75% of the performance for $400 less is breaking dreams, I'll take that all day. When a 1.05ghz 7970 is going or $290 and GTX770 4GB sells for $440 while GTX780 sells for $650, NV can keep its overpriced lineup.

 

[f1sherman]

Never in the history of GPU making has AMD ever released any details about its future GPUs, not during 4870/5870/6970 or 7970 eras. You cannot break promises "almost consistently through the history" when the firm made no such promises in the first place. Let's not take random people posting specs online as some information AMD/NV promise to gamers.

Agreed.

We are talking about breaking dreams (not promises) of reasonable people, are we not?

R600, monster Cayman, and Tahiti XT 20-25% faster than 580.
And what do you offer on NV side?

480, 580 and Titan!
All of them GPU monsters that easily OBLITERATED competition

 

[f1sherman]

Also, if to you getting 75% of the performance for $400 less is breaking dreams, I'll take that all day. When a 1.05ghz 7970 is going or $290 and GTX770 4GB sells for $440 while GTX780 sells for $650, NV can keep its overpriced lineup.

So we are back to most bang per buck

I'll just remind you that people in the know aka sushiwarrior claims faster than Titan ULTRA!
^^ And that's EXACTLY how AMD brakes dreams (not promises)

IMHO

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[RussianSensation]

False equality!

GTX 480... Letdown was only in TDP department, and only somewhat in perf. It still beat 5870 easily.

No I am talking about forum hype. GTX480 only ended up beating 5870 by 15% and didn't come out fully unlocked.

768 SP 580? Never heard of it.
Actually GTX500 was a huge surprise, and caught AMD with their pants down, remember? I mean 580 was so bad that 7950 barely beat it WOOT

No one said 580 was bad. I am saying the hype around successor to the 480 was initially a card with 768 CUDA cores. It was on our forums and other forums online but I am not going to look that up now.

Titan with 14 CU instead of 15 is a huge let down rly?
If you like OC-ing(j/k we all do), even GTX 780 easily matches that 2880 SP @ 1GHz.

Again, you are missing the point for the 3rd time. People hyped up specs for the stock Titan to be a card with 2880 cuda cores @ 1Ghz. I am not talking about comparing a 780 @ 1.3-1.4Ghz to that. We are talking about that the forum constantly hypes up every new GPU well beyond its stock performance. This happened every single generation since 8800GTX on both the AMD and NV side so far. None of the GPUs since then lived up to the hype, not the 7970, not the 680 not the Titan. Every single one of those chips failed to meet the hyped specs posted online. Similarly, R9 280X won't have 3072 SPs, 512-bit bus, 64 ROPs and other such made up non-sense.

So if anything Nvidia over-delivered with GTX 780. Same as with 680.

I would agree with that but I am talking about hype/forum specs prior to release vs. real world specs. 680 was actually rumored to be what 780 ended up to be. So in reality 680 on the forum never lived up to the hype since it was only 35% faster than 580, the lowest increase from flagship to flagship between new generations in NV's history. If you consider 680 a 660Ti, then sure NV did beat expectations but that's now how things played out since 780 was released more than 1 year later.