AMD Radeon HD 9970 Specifications Leaked – Twice as fast as GTX 780 (ChipLoco rumor)

[3DVagabond]

If you're doing entry level 3d or CAD, or professional and consumer programs that use CUDA, then Titan is a helluva deal apparently.

It won't outperform the Quadro class cards, but it's close enough and MUCH cheaper.

For HPC, Titan would probably be useless as HPC uses double precision more than anyone else.. But then again, HPC usually has enormous budgets so they can afford the high priced Tesla cards.

Most (all, I think?) 3D modeling/animation apps don't use DP and will run just as well with a 780. What holds cards back in those apps are drivers and Titan uses Geforce drivers. Some final render apps use CUDA, drivers don't matter, but, again, the 780 should run about the same.

 

[Imouto]

If you're doing entry level 3d or CAD, or professional and consumer programs that use CUDA, then Titan is a helluva deal apparently.

Where did you read that? You will do any entry level 3d or CAD on a used Fermi card if you don't have one already.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/30-CUDA-Blender,3306.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/29-CUDA-3ds-MAX-iRay,3305.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...AutoCAD-2013-3D-Performance-Summary,3286.html

 

[Jaydip]

Price drops would be nice about now,the nvidia milk job is pretty freaking old and at this point i doubt many people here are gonna care about another $1,000 nvidia card,i think the majority of folks here are to smart to fall for another Titan.

Heh, people did buy titan and I belive most of them are gaming folks :biggrin: I won't be surprised if we start to see Titan ultra leaks soon.I find the 512 bit bus interesting though as 7970 was not bandwidth crippled most of the time

 

[sontin]

Price drops would be nice about now,the nvidia milk job is pretty freaking old and at this point i doubt many people here are gonna care about another $1,000 nvidia card,i think the majority of folks here are to smart to fall for another Titan.

There was nothing wrong with Titan. No competition for nearly 8 months.

 

[3DVagabond]

There was nothing wrong with Titan. No competition for nearly 8 months.

Bull! Titan released Feb 19th, GTX 780 released May 23rd. That's 3 months and don't say that the 780 doesn't compete with Titan. Titan was a complete hose job.

 

[Carfax83]

Where did you read that? You will do any entry level 3d or CAD on a used Fermi card if you don't have one already.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/30-CUDA-Blender,3306.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/29-CUDA-3ds-MAX-iRay,3305.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...AutoCAD-2013-3D-Performance-Summary,3286.html

Your links prove my point. Titan is leading in almost every single one of those benchmarks, even faster than the Quadro cards in many cases.

I'm sure the benchmarks don't fully underscore real world performance though, but I can see why someone with limited funds who does professional or semi-professional work would buy the Titan.

 

[raghu78]

The thing is it changes almost nothing(if the leaked benches are true). NV can price the 780 at $549 and debut the Titan ultra @ $999.It would be great if it came earlier which would make the 780 and Titan prices look saner.Kudos to AMD though.

Nvidia could get away with the Titan pricing bluff when there was no GTX 780. but after the GTX 780 launched the enthusiasts flocked to GTX 780 cards with custom designs. now with R290x trading blows with Titan there is no way Nvidia can price their flagship at USD 1000. they need to accept the fact that the free hand at the high end is over. Even if a Titan Ultra beats a R290x by 10% I don't see Nvidia hitting USD 1000. they risk losing sales with that kind of offensive pricing when the competition is quite frankly too close for comfort.

 

[blackened23]

Heh, people did buy titan and I belive most of them are gaming folks :biggrin: I won't be surprised if we start to see Titan ultra leaks soon.I find the 512 bit bus interesting though as 7970 was not bandwidth crippled most of the time

Uh, i'm not sure nvidia would bother. I don't think anyone will find a "Titan Ultra" product interesting if it costs 1000$ even if it has an ever so slight performance advantage. If it does have a performance advantage, it would be a minuscule one at that and will come at a ridiculous cost. Will anyone care? I highly doubt it, unless someone REALLY wants 6GB of VRAM which is like one out of 10000 people.

Titan Ultra would have, what, 2880 cores? It wouldn't be faster than the current Titan by an amazing extent - consider the performance difference between reference 780 and the reference Titan. There is something like a 350 CUDA core difference, and the performance difference is small. Titan Ultra would have 150 or so more cores. The performance difference? Minuscule.

Just IMHO, assuming the leaks of prices and performance of R9X are accurate. What would be more interesting , IMHO, is an in between product costing 600$. Or a price reduced 780. Not a 1000$ Titan Ultra. I suspect that not a single person will care about a card that is 2% faster than a current Titan but costs 1000$. You have to consider (DISCLAIMER, ASSUMING THE LEAKS ARE REAL ) that the R9X would trade blows with the Titan and cost 600$. Meanwhile, nvidia would release a "Titan ultra" for 1000$ that is 2% faster. Realistically, you can OC the R9x or Titan to cover that 2% performance gap. But it costs 400$ more. Would anyone care for 400$? For 2% performance. No thank you - like I said, nvidia would be more interesting to release an in between product that is PRICE competitive.

TL'DR: if the leaks are true, a 1000$ Titan Ultra wouldn't make sense. Nobody will care (Unless they're into CUDA development, IMHO). I think 780 price drops or another in between product would make sense from a gaming perspective. This all obviously hinges on the leaks being real and the R9X costing 600$, though. We'll see I guess.

 

[imaheadcase]

Oh man if Nvidia lowered price of Titan to R9X price point and 780 made $500. That would piss AMD off no doubt. lol

 

[blackened23]

Oh man if Nvidia lowered price of Titan to R9X price point and 780 made $500. That would piss AMD off no doubt. lol

The consumers wouldn't be pissed off, though. I don't think nvidia would make that drastic of a price reduction, but hey - if they do, that would be great news.

 

[Arkadrel]

I guess this means we ll be seeing the GTX Titan for ~500$ soon.

also pretty epic that ES is 5-17% faster than the Titan in most things.
Looking forwards to non ES versions, with final drivers reviewed.

 

[raghu78]

Oh man if Nvidia lowered price of Titan to R9X price point and 780 made $500. That would piss AMD off no doubt. lol

you forget that the AMD hawaii die is 30% smaller than Nvidia Titan die. a cut throat price war is not going to be a good idea. at the least Nvidia just needs to make GTX 780 price competitive with R290x. As for a flagship Nvidia can release a fully enabled Titan Ultra for USD 750 provided they are around 10% faster.

 

[Leadbox]

The consumers wouldn't be pissed off, though. I don't think nvidia would make that drastic of a price reduction, but hey - if they do, that would be great news.

Assuming these leaks have any truth to them, I think nvidia will just drop that unsupported 1/3DP altogether,maybe fully enable all shaders and drop it in at or above the 780 and call it a 780Ultra or something. Dropping the DP would be a good enough face saving excuse to lower prices

 

[HurleyBird]

you forget that the AMD hawaii die is 30% smaller than Nvidia Titan die.

It's starting to look closer to 20% than 30%.

 

[imaheadcase]

you forget that the AMD hawaii die is 30% smaller than Nvidia Titan die. a cut throat price war is not going to be a good idea. at the least Nvidia just needs to make GTX 780 price competitive with R290x. As for a flagship Nvidia can release a fully enabled Titan Ultra for USD 750 provided they are around 10% faster.

Well the whole deal is that Nvidia has plenty of inventory vs AMD with new chips no doubt. So if they just wanted to ruin them for the holiday sales only they could.

 

[Black Octagon]

Titan die is 30% bigger than that of the R290x. This is NOT the same thing as saying that the R290x die is 30% 'smaller' than that of the Titan. Maths, people.

2 is 100% bigger than 1. But 1 is 50% smaller than 2.

Etc.

 

[HurleyBird]

Titan die is 30% bigger than that of the R290x. This is NOT the same thing as saying that the R290x die is 30% 'smaller' than that of the Titan. Maths, people.

2 is 100% bigger than 1. But 1 is 50% smaller than 2.

Etc.

Correct, and that's what I meant when I said it's starting to look closer to 20% as well. That GK110 is ~20% larger than Hawaii that is.

 

[sontin]

you forget that the AMD hawaii die is 30% smaller than Nvidia Titan die. a cut throat price war is not going to be a good idea. at the least Nvidia just needs to make GTX 780 price competitive with R290x. As for a flagship Nvidia can release a fully enabled Titan Ultra for USD 750 provided they are around 10% faster.

And you forget that nVidia is producing GK110 since july 2012 and has a huge inventory of Chips of them. And there are custom designs out in the market which are faster than Titan for the same GTX780 MSRP:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=-1&isNodeId=1

If AMD is really going for a $649 price tag they need to be faster than the custom cards.

 

[raghu78]

And you forget that nVidia is producing GK110 since july 2012 and has a huge inventory of Chips of them. And there are custom designs out in the market which are faster than Titan for the same GTX780 MSRP:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=-1&isNodeId=1

If AMD is really going for a $649 price tag they need to be faster than the custom cards.

USD 650 is not a good price if AMD is serious about market share. USD 600 with free BF4 coupon is the deal which will attract consumers. also as far as overclocked cards go most enthusiasts are anyway going to overclock so perf per clock is very important. AMD needs to beat GTX 780 on a perf per clock basis and be able to hit 1200 - 1300 mhz with voltage OC.

 

[Abwx]

And you forget that nVidia is producing GK110 since july 2012 and has a huge inventory of Chips of them.

Produced when the process was way more costly than
it is currently , lots of margins as a result...

And there are custom designs out in the market which are faster than Titan for the same GTX780 MSRP:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=-1&isNodeId=1

If AMD is really going for a $649 price tag they need to be faster than the custom cards.

So they need to be faster to sell at lower prices.??.
The 780 is clearly behind and would need 20% more
frequency to just catch up barely despite about
30-40% more TDP than at stocks , good luck with
a 325-350W TDP chip.

 

[3DVagabond]

And you forget that nVidia is producing GK110 since july 2012 and has a huge inventory of Chips of them. And there are custom designs out in the market which are faster than Titan for the same GTX780 MSRP:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=-1&isNodeId=1

If AMD is really going for a $649 price tag they need to be faster than the custom cards.

AFAIK it's targeted at <$600, and why would the reference 290X have to beat aftermarket 780's? Don't you think there will be aftermarket 290X's to compete with aftermarket 780 cards?

 

[24601]

If Nvidia wanted to, they could easily do a 300w (with 2x 8 pin for 375w maximum TDP while being in spec) TDP SKU of GTX 780, maybe called GTX 780 Ultra, that uses 7000 MTps GDDR5, perhaps having more shaders or just with stock 780 amount of shaders.

Perhaps they can use higher quality/more VRMs as well for better voltage regulation so that they can do higher clocks with lower normalized voltage comparatively (kinda like what AMD/ATi did with 7990).

That way they have zero increase of cost to themselves, and a massive increase of performance to the end user.

 

[wand3r3r]

And you forget that nVidia is producing GK110 since july 2012 and has a huge inventory of Chips of them. And there are custom designs out in the market which are faster than Titan for the same GTX780 MSRP:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=-1&amp;isNodeId=1

If AMD is really going for a $649 price tag they need to be faster than the custom cards.

Yawn. Now we compare stock vs. overclocked models? I would expect nothing less.

 

[sontin]

Produced when the process was way more costly than
it is currently , lots of margins as a result...

They are producing and selling these chips since one year. They know everything about their production.

So they need to be faster to sell at lower prices.??.
The 780 is clearly behind and would need 20% more
frequency to just catch up barely despite about
30-40% more TDP than at stocks , good luck with
a 325-350W TDP chip.

Lol, maybe you should wait for the launch and the reviews. Claiming the card is cleary in front of the GTX780 is funny because the test has not even close all of the latest games (Splinter Cell:BL, Arma3, Rome 2 etc). A lot can change with other games.

And custom cards are around 20% faster than the reference GTX780:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/60269-evga-geforce-gtx-780-classified/?page=6

Yawn. Now we compare stock vs. overclocked models? I would expect nothing less.

Why should i compare the reference modell when i can get for the same price 20% more performance? You should hope that AMD allows their partners to start with custom designs because if they have only a reference design it's their problem and not mine.

 

[blackened23]

And you forget that nVidia is producing GK110 since july 2012 and has a huge inventory of Chips of them. And there are custom designs out in the market which are faster than Titan for the same GTX780 MSRP:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=-1&amp;isNodeId=1

If AMD is really going for a $649 price tag they need to be faster than the custom cards.

Is this serious or what. I'm sure the R9X will get factory OC'ed models in time, comparing reference to aftermarket is just assinine. No credible reviewer would compare anything except reference to reference, and in two months or so the factory OC'ed R9 cards will be released.