Actually I have NOT read any reliable confirmation that the announcement on 23 September is even intended to go for the single card crown, let alone the single GPU crown
Actually I have NOT read any reliable confirmation that the announcement on 23 September is even intended to go for the single card crown, let alone the single GPU crown
How many APUs will be used to get 499 place from Top500? 7000000000 APUs? :sneaky:
Actually I have NOT read any reliable confirmation that the announcement on 23 September is even intended to go for the single card crown, let alone the single GPU crown
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...h-gpu-codenamed-hawaii-in-hawaii-sept-25.aspx
"We just got confirmation that AMD will be announcing their latest GPU codenamed Hawaii. The event will be scheduled during the week of September 23rd, and there will be a live streamed public event on the 25th that will introduce AMD's new flagship GPU to the world."
"AMD is clearly gunning to compete with Nvidia's GeForce GTX Titan and we'll see if AMD can deliver us a single GPU solution that can compete with Nvidia's own $1000 GPU."
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/amd-to-launch-hawaii-in-hawaii/
"It looks like new GPUs are coming this fall with AMD’s Hawaii now set for late September. This one is going to change the market mainly because there is no competition for it this year."
"Hawaii and the Volcanic Islands family is coming this fall and a late September public show likely means an October silicon launch. This is a massively updated GPU vs the minor tweaks in the last round. Given the timing, Hawaii is unquestionably a 28nm part so no shrink related performance bump but the architectural changes should more than make up for that. It is unlikely to be an incremental advance."
"Update 8/7/13 @ 4pm: AMD has clarified that it is the Hawaii/Volcanic Islands tech day in September, not the launch. The launch will officially happen in Q4 some time"
http://techreport.com/news/25258/report-amd-hawaii-graphics-cards-to-mass-ship-in-october
"DigiTimes specifically refers to Hawaii as a next-gen high-end GPU, so there's little room for misinterpretation on that front.
Kicking off shipments in early October, a week or so after the press event, wouldn't be unusual."
http://videocardz.com/45523/retail-amd-radeon-r9-9000-series-arrive-mid-october
"The AMD Radeon 9k series are just around the corner. Few weeks ago we told you that the new series will launch in October. Since then we did not have any proof. That’s until now. Most of you probably know that Hawaii GPU will be shown by AMD in late September. Of course this will only be the official announcement. The new retail models will hit the shelves in mid October according to our latest information."
You can take the information with how much ever salt you want. :biggrin: But few things are clear.
1. 28nm flagship AMD GPU launching .
2. significant improvement over Tahiti. GK110 competitor.
3. Sep 25th press event. mid October retail launch.
If people don't want to believe any of this thats fine.its only 40 days to launch. all doubts will be settled by Oct 15th :thumbsup:
Can't wait for this AMD big die GPU monster to release and seeing the benchmarks pour in
All this text and still doesn't clearly identify a single big GPU from AMD. Unless you weren't intending to offer this as proof of such. If not, I apologize.
Sure, 28nm is more than plausible and downright likely.
Significant improvement over Tahiti (on what metric? Performance? Compute? Power consumption to performance ratio?) Wide open.
Dates are really irrelevent.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...h-gpu-codenamed-hawaii-in-hawaii-sept-25.aspx
"We just got confirmation that AMD will be announcing their latest GPU codenamed Hawaii. The event will be scheduled during the week of September 23rd, and there will be a live streamed public event on the 25th that will introduce AMD's new flagship GPU to the world."
"AMD is clearly gunning to compete with Nvidia's GeForce GTX Titan and we'll see if AMD can deliver us a single GPU solution that can compete with Nvidia's own $1000 GPU."
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/amd-to-launch-hawaii-in-hawaii/
"It looks like new GPUs are coming this fall with AMDs Hawaii now set for late September. This one is going to change the market mainly because there is no competition for it this year."
"Hawaii and the Volcanic Islands family is coming this fall and a late September public show likely means an October silicon launch. This is a massively updated GPU vs the minor tweaks in the last round. Given the timing, Hawaii is unquestionably a 28nm part so no shrink related performance bump but the architectural changes should more than make up for that. It is unlikely to be an incremental advance."
"Update 8/7/13 @ 4pm: AMD has clarified that it is the Hawaii/Volcanic Islands tech day in September, not the launch. The launch will officially happen in Q4 some time"
http://techreport.com/news/25258/report-amd-hawaii-graphics-cards-to-mass-ship-in-october
"DigiTimes specifically refers to Hawaii as a next-gen high-end GPU, so there's little room for misinterpretation on that front.
Kicking off shipments in early October, a week or so after the press event, wouldn't be unusual."
http://videocardz.com/45523/retail-amd-radeon-r9-9000-series-arrive-mid-october
"The AMD Radeon 9k series are just around the corner. Few weeks ago we told you that the new series will launch in October. Since then we did not have any proof. Thats until now. Most of you probably know that Hawaii GPU will be shown by AMD in late September. Of course this will only be the official announcement. The new retail models will hit the shelves in mid October according to our latest information."
You can take the information with how much ever salt you want. :biggrin: But few things are clear.
1. 28nm flagship AMD GPU launching .
2. significant improvement over Tahiti. GK110 competitor.
3. Sep 25th press event. mid October retail launch.
If people don't want to believe any of this thats fine.its only 40 days to launch. all doubts will be settled by Oct 15th :thumbsup:
I clearly stated we have to wait 40 days for the facts. :thumbsup: 20 days if you are the press. :biggrin: But you do get an idea of what to expect.
Hawaii will beat Tahiti on every metric. Perf - both gaming and compute, perf/watt and perf/sq mm. Hawaii is based on the next iteration of GCN - GCN 2.0. Hawaii includes
1.) Architectural and efficiency improvements
2.) Process related design improvements.
3.) Power management related improvements.
You can verify all 3 metrics on launch. But I am confident AMD have done it. :thumbsup:
Havent AMD lost the Head GPU designer of GCN?, what was his name?, Eric something.....
I truly think some people are expecting too much from this GPU when you have to consider that they lost the guy who built the original architecture, have to compete on same node, and havent built a big die in over 5 yrs...
To me, this all just sounds like the last CPU launch expectations....
Havent AMD lost the Head GPU designer of GCN?, what was his name?, Eric something.....
I truly think some people are expecting too much from this GPU when you have to consider that they lost the guy who built the original architecture, have to compete on same node, and havent built a big die in over 5 yrs...
To me, this all just sounds like the last CPU launch expectations....
AMD has gone big die whether you like it or not.
GTX 780 is 20% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. Titan is 30% faster than HD 7970 Ghz.
Actually AMD went small die, 191.343255321 mm2 to be exact, and it's faster than Titan Tri SLI.
Trust me.
Using a stock 780 as a point of reference is convenient but hardly relevant for consumers since after-market versions are selling for $20 more and they are 35-36% faster.
Then there is the HOF 780 which demolishes every 780 out of the box -- "...our GALAXY 780 HOF runs at a real-time frequency of 1.1GHz while gaming, in every game! Therefore, a reference 780 runs at 900MHz while gaming, and the GALAXY GTX 780 HOF Edition runs at 1.1GHz while gaming, a whopping 200MHz faster out-of-the-box."
That means the HOF 780 is 20% faster than the stock 780 or 40% faster than a 7970GE for only $40 more over the reference 780.
All this text and still doesn't clearly identify a single big GPU from AMD.
Unless you weren't intending to offer this as proof of such. If not, I apologize.
Sure, 28nm is more than plausible and downright likely.
Significant improvement over Tahiti (on what metric? Performance? Compute? Power consumption to performance ratio?) Wide open.
Dates are really irrelevent.
"and we'll see if AMD can deliver us a single GPU solution that can compete with Nvidia's own $1000 GPU."
Even they don't know. hehe.
So you truly believe that AMD can't and/or won't release a single-GPU card faster than a 7970Ghz?
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avg of 30% difference is probably correct once you add a few more TWIMTBP games. for double the price. not so great. :thumbsdown: Hawaii by mid -october will put things in a different perspective.
Out of the box after-market 780s are 35-36% faster than a 7970GE. That's before taking overclocking into account. A lot of the games you linked run faster on AMD hardware (i.e., 7970GE > 770 in them) but if you start looking at average performance, it's more like the difference between a 1.275Ghz 7970 and 1.3Ghz 780 is 30-35%. Did you suddenly forget that 1.275Ghz is much faster than 7970GE?
If you are going to cherry pick games like Hitman and TR where AMD's cards take full advantage of Compute/GCN optimizations, why not include games where after-market 780/Titan crushes the 7970GE? It's only fair.
52% faster in FC3
54% faster in BF3
49% faster in RTW2
9970 would need to match Titan out of the gate and have 25% overclocking headroom to match Galaxy HOF 780/EVGA Classified and similar cards. I don't see how this is possible since NV's chip is much larger, wider and overclocks like a champ.
At the same clocks the 780 is 50% faster than the 680 and it has 50% more units. Thus it scales perfectly. Titan scales a little worse. For 75% more units it's only about 68% faster at the same clocks:
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2013/55_directx11_grafikkarten_im_test/index30.php
That is pretty good, but I guess bandwidth is becoming a limiting factor. That the frontend is a limiting factor seems unplausible since the 780 scales so perfectly and Titan only has 16% more units.