AMD Radeon HD 9970 Specifications Leaked – Twice as fast as GTX 780 (ChipLoco rumor)

[AnandThenMan]

Not even close to taking these supposed leaks as fact. Nice if true, we'll surely see price drops from Nvidia. Everyone wins.

 

[raghu78]

The performance at higher AA and higher res is impressive. I am glad that for all the speculation that AMD cannot deliver a Titan competitor at a lesser die size and lesser power they seem to have delivered a good reply. AMD delivered a 512 bit memory bus at 430 - 440 sq mm and is still doing good on perf/watt and blows the competition out of the water with unbeatable perf /sq mm. I look forward to 1.3 Ghz Hawaii against 1.3 Ghz Titan and 1.3 Ghz GTX 780.

if Hawaii XT comes at USD 600 with BF4 then the GTX 780 cards like MSI Lightning, EVGA classified and HOF 780 need to be at USD 600. Never write off AMD. I am impressed. :biggrin:

Edit : RS and keys I apologize for calling out your names.

Warning issued for member callout.
-- stahlhart

 

[HurleyBird]

Never write off AMD. I am impressed.

Not for GPUs at least. I think we all learned that lesson from 2900XT -> 4870.

CPUs is a different matter

 

[Carfax83]

Never write off AMD. I am impressed. :biggrin:

Assuming the slides and specs are real, then I'm VERY impressed as well.

I hope they are true, because although I'm an NVidia fan, I don't want NVidia to completely dominate the PC gaming landscape.

Now if AMD could do the same for their CPUs, then I'd be doubly impressed!

 

[Abwx]

They have some little margin left given the 1.25GHZ memory.

Also , if the chip is 450mm2 then it s likely that it s technicaly
a 503mm2 chip in respect of Tahiti given that it has surely 11.8%
higher transistors density , wich would make Hawai being actualy
37.8% bigger than Tahiti transistor count wise , a number that
seems to be adequate with theses expected perfs improvements.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I always thought it was the generally accepted truth that Nvidia had very forward thinking GPU architects while AMD seemed to have the leg-up on leveraging process nodes.

Anyhow, if this could be the anti-Cayman and actually live up to the hype that'd be great for everyone. As much as I'd like these numbers we're seeing to be true, we've all been burned before in the past. I concur that the 25th (and official launch day with "unbiased" reviews) can't get here fast enough.

 

[imaheadcase]

DICE tweeted a pic of the card in a case, i think it was just the angle but it looked really long. I can't find it for some reason now. It was on reddit. I don't really see the point in bundling BF4 with it though, most people who really wanted BF4 already bought it, it would be out before the card shipped.

 

[Imouto]

Thread's title is ludicrous at this point. If we are going to have a speculation thread can we please at least change it?

 

[wlee15]

DICE tweeted a pic of the card in a case, i think it was just the angle but it looked really long. I can't find it for some reason now. It was on reddit. I don't really see the point in bundling BF4 with it though, most people who really wanted BF4 already bought it, it would be out before the card shipped.

I'm assuming that BF4 will be added to the Never Settle Gold tier so you can pick a different game if you choose to.

 

[OCGuy]

AMD is going to release a card with basically the same performance as an NVidia card that went to consumers 8 months ago, but in reality is much older?

It may be good for consumers as far as a price drop, but if you waited this long just to save a couple bucks, you missed out on a lot of gaming.

This would be bad news in the big picture...but we all pretty much knew there would be no "Titan killer".

Just like Titan is/was a niche product with a bleeding-edge tax, I don't see much of a market for a card with these leaked specs. If you already have a 7970, 2x7950s, or a Kepler/Titan, you have enjoyed this type of performance for almost a complete cycle already.

If you are a budget consumer, you will use the downward pricing pressure to go pick up a 7970, 7950, or GTX6/780, which isn't exactly a resounding endorsement of a flagship launch.

 

[3DVagabond]

Thread's title is ludicrous at this point. If we are going to have a speculation thread can we please at least change it?

It was never intended to legitimize the claim of ChipLoco. That should have been apparent from the beginning. That was the rumor they were peddling. They even claimed that "a friend of a friend" had one. It was always intended to show it as being ludicrous.

20nm and 4000+ shaders LOL

 

[3DVagabond]

AMD is going to release a card with basically the same performance as an NVidia card that went to consumers 8 months ago, but in reality is much older?

It may be good for consumers as far as a price drop, but if you waited this long just to save a couple bucks, you missed out on a lot of gaming.

This would be bad news in the big picture...but we all pretty much knew there would be no "Titan killer".

Just like Titan is/was a niche product with a bleeding-edge tax, I don't see much of a market for a card with these leaked specs. If you already have a 7970, 2x7950s, or a Kepler/Titan, you have enjoyed this type of performance for almost a complete cycle already.

If you are a budget consumer, you will use the downward pricing pressure to go pick up a 7970, 7950, or GTX6/780, which isn't exactly a resounding endorsement of a flagship launch.

Titan is, and always has been, a ripoff.

 

[OCGuy]

Titan is, and always has been, a ripoff.

That is an opinion that many share, but what did that have to do with the post you quoted?

Or does bringing down Titan somehow legitimize a launch that we all know is not going to go down in history as a game changer??

Now....AMD does have an open door to take the single-card crown back.....which is very interesting to me and I think they should lead with that.

 

[atticus14]

Most review sites with integrity would do reference to reference comparisons - that is the most fair way to review. Throwing factory overclocked models in there, when they won't be available initially for the R9X (i'm assuming) wouldn't be a fair comparison. I'm sure R9X will have factory OC'ed models in time, but it would just be ridiculous for a website to compare a reference R9X to a factory OC'ed 780. It needs to be either aftermarket vs aftermarket or reference vs reference, period. That is the most fair basis of comparison, really.

Anyone remember the very limited GTX 460 EVGA FTW showing up at the 6850/6870 party?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/amds-radeon-6870-6850-renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market

plus the follow up

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3988/the-use-of-evgas-geforce-gtx-460-ftw-in-last-nights-review

AMD is going to release a card with basically the same performance as an NVidia card that went to consumers 8 months ago

almost exactly the same as 7970 vs 680. So if AMD's new chip is pretty meh, so was the 680 from that logic.

 

[wand3r3r]

AMD is going to release a card with basically the same performance as an NVidia card that went to consumers 8 months ago, but in reality is much older?

It may be good for consumers as far as a price drop, but if you waited this long just to save a couple bucks, you missed out on a lot of gaming.

This would be bad news in the big picture...but we all pretty much knew there would be no "Titan killer".

Just like Titan is/was a niche product with a bleeding-edge tax, I don't see much of a market for a card with these leaked specs. If you already have a 7970, 2x7950s, or a Kepler/Titan, you have enjoyed this type of performance for almost a complete cycle already.

If you are a budget consumer, you will use the downward pricing pressure to go pick up a 7970, 7950, or GTX6/780, which isn't exactly a resounding endorsement of a flagship launch.

Did you think the titan brought a lot with a 250% price increase for 30% more performance? If you had a 7970 then and still have it now you can get a bigger upgrade for significantly less cost (assuming rumors are correct, may be wrong).

What it will do is make titan the biggest rip off as it was only the top dog for a matter of months for $400-500 immediately down the drain when this launches. Well, they already lost a good portion of the (very very little) value it had with the 780.

But the question remains, what did you say when the 680 dropped with a 10% price cut and a few percent more performance (was it 10%?). The 7970 GHz came out and undercut it a couple months later anyway.

This will being a rumored 40-50% price cut to a rip off card, and beat it (allegedly) 8 months later.

I kind of agree that basically what this is bringing is lower prices, but that is a critical thing, especially with dramatic price cuts and even higher performance than the overpriced tu.. titan.

I am excited for this cards potential. It's finally going to bring high end performance pricing back to reality imo. The 780/ titan are beasts but are way overpriced.

 

[Carfax83]

Titan is, and always has been, a ripoff.

Titan is a rip-off only if used purely as a gaming card. If you do work with it though, then it's not a rip-off.

As expensive as the Titan is, it's still cheaper than NVidia's professional workstation cards.

 

[Crap Daddy]

I am excited for this cards potential. It's finally going to bring high end performance pricing back to reality imo. The 780/ titan are beasts but are way overpriced.

There is no turning back. If reality is $650 then so be it. I don't see the 290X going much cheaper than the 780.

 

[3DVagabond]

That is an opinion that many share, but what did that have to do with the post you quoted?

reference to what you posted below.

Just like Titan is/was a niche product with a bleeding-edge tax,

Titan is a rip-off only if used purely as a gaming card. If you do work with it though, then it's not a rip-off.

As expensive as the Titan is, it's still cheaper than NVidia's professional workstation cards.

What work would that be? When you answer keep in mind that Titan does not have ECC RAM nor does it offer support for pro app/HPC. That DP switch doesn't make Titan anything more than a Geforce card.

IIRC Titan is 1/3DP. Tahiti is 1/4DP. Supposedly, Hawaii is 1/2DP. GK104 is 1/24DP (Correct me if I'm mistaken with these numbers). DP by itself doesn't seem to be anything to make a card worth a grand.

 

[skipsneeky2]

There is no turning back. If reality is $650 then so be it. I don't see the 290X going much cheaper than the 780.

A faster then Titan card at $600 with a incredible bundle game perhaps with BF4 package,sign me up please!.

 

[Jaydip]

The thing is it changes almost nothing(if the leaked benches are true). NV can price the 780 at $549 and debut the Titan ultra @ $999.It would be great if it came earlier which would make the 780 and Titan prices look saner.Kudos to AMD though.

 

[Imouto]

Titan is a rip-off only if used purely as a gaming card. If you do work with it though, then it's not a rip-off.

As expensive as the Titan is, it's still cheaper than NVidia's professional workstation cards.

It is a rip-off. Unless you really need those 6 GB you're better off with 2 or more Fermi cards. Anyway you usually need that amount of VRAM for rendering which scale pretty well adding more GPUs and there are workarounds for VRAM issues.

As 3DVagabond said I don't see where Titan is remotely a good deal.

 

[skipsneeky2]

The thing is it changes almost nothing(if the leaked benches are true). NV can price the 780 at $549 and debut the Titan ultra @ $999.It would be great if it came earlier which would make the 780 and Titan prices look saner.Kudos to AMD though.

Price drops would be nice about now,the nvidia milk job is pretty freaking old and at this point i doubt many people here are gonna care about another $1,000 nvidia card,i think the majority of folks here are to smart to fall for another Titan.

 

[Carfax83]

What work would that be? When you answer keep in mind that Titan does not have ECC RAM nor does it offer support for pro app/HPC. That DP switch doesn't make Titan anything more than a Geforce card.

IIRC Titan is 1/3DP. Tahiti is 1/4DP. Supposedly, Hawaii is 1/2DP. GK104 is 1/24DP (Correct me if I'm mistaken with these numbers). DP by itself doesn't seem to be anything to make a card worth a grand.

If you're doing entry level 3d or CAD, or professional and consumer programs that use CUDA, then Titan is a helluva deal apparently.

It won't outperform the Quadro class cards, but it's close enough and MUCH cheaper.

For HPC, Titan would probably be useless as HPC uses double precision more than anyone else.. But then again, HPC usually has enormous budgets so they can afford the high priced Tesla cards.

 

[krumme]

Most review sites with integrity would do reference to reference comparisons - that is the most fair way to review. Throwing factory overclocked models in there, when they won't be available initially for the R9X (i'm assuming) wouldn't be a fair comparison. I'm sure R9X will have factory OC'ed models in time, but it would just be ridiculous for a website to compare a reference R9X to a factory OC'ed 780. It needs to be either aftermarket vs aftermarket or reference vs reference, period. That is the most fair basis of comparison, really.

Building good relationships with sites is a professional dicipline that takes time, money and specialist competence.

When you invest in such relationship building its because it have effect. Nothing wrong with that.

Amd have bad relationships with many sites. It have or at least had a bad relation with eg. Anandtech.
Because they didnt prioritze it and perhaps didnt have the money or competences for it. Probably because of financial restraints.

What amd should just know is to act accordingly. That means never let a reference card out of the door. But let the oem do the job for them.

Having eg. 512b bus with low mem clock and sending reference cards is just damn stupid because nobody would use the card that way.

If amd send reference card they will be directly or especially indirectly compared to non reference cards by the most review sites. In sutle ways. The same goes for anandtech. You can be sure of that.

They have to learn by prior mistakes. It doesnt help to be angry at eg. Anandtech or hardocp. They have to change own behavior and knowing prior history means they either have to keep away or do something entirely different. They can just relax and make the oem do the work for them.

 

[imaheadcase]

The thing is it changes almost nothing(if the leaked benches are true). NV can price the 780 at $549 and debut the Titan ultra @ $999.It would be great if it came earlier which would make the 780 and Titan prices look saner.Kudos to AMD though.

Not only that, but supplies might even be limited. So nvidia is still going to reap the rewards of the holiday season.