Just because it doesn't appear to be a good product to some doesn't mean it doesn't to others. Based on the craze out there it seems this product will sell really well.AMD is stuck with these cards for years now. This looks really bad for everyone. Nvidia is getting used to having no competition at all now. Guess that next Ti is going to be at least $50-$100 more next time. Probably just start charging $1,000 for the Ti models now actually. Screw it, might as well. What can we do? Complain and buy it anyway? Yep.
No point. Easier and probably more cost effective to just use existing gtx1080 at a reduced price ($400-450)Maybe NV can put GDDR5X on the 1070 and call it a 1070ti to kick it above the 56?
Maybe NV can put GDDR5X on the 1070 and call it a 1070ti to kick it above the 56?
Maybe NV can put GDDR5X on the 1070 and call it a 1070ti to kick it above the 56?
Maybe NV can put GDDR5X on the 1070 and call it a 1070ti to kick it above the 56?
Same here, unfortunately no one does pro-consumer or professional reviews anymore. I'd think Brian Maddens site would have something, but that would be months/year down the road.
Level One Techs typically cover that sort of thing. Their preliminary review didn't cover it, but I expect they will do more testing sometime soon.
And "ti" apparently sells well...Even better it would screw with mining performance.
Maybe NV can put GDDR5X on the 1070 and call it a 1070ti to kick it above the 56?
This launch (Vega 64) & (yet another) paper launch (Vega 56) is a big fat wart on AMD's rep.
The longest marking campaign in AMD's history, turns out to be a mediocre product at best.
It was full of smoke & mirrors, dishonesty ("Poor Volta"), and just horrible execution caused by delays.
The delays are clearly because of HBM2, and they STILL haven't been able to source chips that meet JEDEC's standard of 2Gbps & 1.2V (min) - 1.26V(max).
The design of Vega was clearly not prepared for the 1080, let alone for the 1080ti.
AMD was forced to throw as much power as they could just to "trade blows" with the 1080, and they won't have an answer for the 1080ti for another year or two?
That in itself is an epic disaster for the very high end.
The 'Vega FE is a PRO card, not for gaming' pretty much proves that in fact, the performance scales almost exactly the same, once everything is equal.
$999 for gimped drivers. Seriously AMD? sigh.
The price point is just not there, the blower cards are $40 too much. The AIB cards should be at $399 & $499, and instead will have an even worse price, and that price will move them out of any "Best bang for the buck" category.
In fact, I would argue that AMD should have never released either of these cards, and instead, let the AIB's handle the launch. The "Too hot, Too loud" meme of the past strikes yet again.
It all boils down to, those that have a Freesync monitor, their only upgrade option is Vega, unless they want to buy a new monitor as well.
People on the sidelines might consider Vega 56, unless Nvidia does price cuts or throws in a few free games, and then AMD will be basically suck between a rock & a hard place.
Once they see that the AIB cards will be $40+ than the MSRP, then, I see very few people buying them.
Things that are meaningless as of today:
"Give AMD time to fix the drivers, fine wine!" --They should have priced that into the equation first then. If the product is unfinished, then price it that way.
"Don't worry, they are working on Navi!" -- See you in 2 years?
The lack of outcry over not having a GTX 1080Ti competitor also just irritates me to no end. It really feels like AMD doesn't have a high end left and that AMD's current customers do NOT care about the true "high end". (1080Ti/Titan performance)
AMD is stuck with these cards for years now. This looks really bad for everyone. Nvidia is getting used to having no competition at all now. Guess that next Ti is going to be at least $50-$100 more next time. Probably just start charging $1,000 for the Ti models now actually. Screw it, might as well. What can we do? Complain and buy it anyway? Yep.
i still kinda want the Vega 64... but looks like the miners scoffed all the ones on Newegg.
The only ones who saw that coming were... EVERYONE!
Again, I think this narrative is completely off basis and false. Nvidia charged you $50-100 more this generation. In return you got a FULL year of performance uncontested. Are you kidding me? How is that NOT a good deal? Who here wouldn't have paid an EXTRA $50 to have gotten Vega 1 FULL year earlier and then some?AMD is stuck with these cards for years now. This looks really bad for everyone. Nvidia is getting used to having no competition at all now. Guess that next Ti is going to be at least $50-$100 more next time. Probably just start charging $1,000 for the Ti models now actually. Screw it, might as well. What can we do? Complain and buy it anyway? Yep.
My 7950 called Vega and it said "Son,I'm disappoint".
Then my 5850 called. You don't want to know what it said!
Outcry? What are you expecting? There are no "AMD customers", people just buy Nvidia and move on even if they have Freesync. Market share already shows what people think about the lack of high-end cards. Also, the board is full of posts stating that this is the worst GPU launch ever.The lack of outcry over not having a GTX 1080Ti competitor also just irritates me to no end. It really feels like AMD doesn't have a high end left and that AMD's current customers do NOT care about the true "high end". (1080Ti/Titan performance)
A 14nm Fiji would be cheaper to manufacture, faster than Vega 64 and at half the power.
Really they f.....ed up big time.
Outcry? What are you expecting? There are no "AMD customers", people just buy Nvidia and move on even if they have Freesync. Market share already shows what people think about the lack of high-end cards. Also, the board is full of posts stating that this is the worst GPU launch ever.
750Ti isn't really the 700 series but the 900 series since it's a Maxwell card isn't it?Seems to me they over engineered the card. They are also doing this weird strategy of changing up their design massively every generation.
What Nvidia has been doing since the GTX 480 was iterating and iterating on the same design for several generations now. The GTX 480 was a power hungry hog released much later than AMD's offerings and it was at best equal to AMD's flagship and it was bigger in die as well. So what we have now with Vega essentially a bigger, more power hungry, late arrival that can barely even compete.
With the GTX 580 and generally the 500 series they addressed the biggest issue and that is power consumption, then they iterated some more with the 600 series, adding some of those DX11 enhancements and software scheduling, etc...
With the 700 series they basically perfected the power consumption, the 750 and 750ti were absurdly power efficient, though quite weak in terms of performance for their price.
Since the 700 series, AMD hasn't been able to compete even slightly in power consumption and this is when they started losing the DX11 battle as well, then they shifted to DX12 and Vulkan, which still hasn't paid off for them.
And by the time DX12 and Vulkan do really take off, Nvidia is going to have the better low level api graphics.
After FE, I pulled my head out of the sand as that was HARD data.Probably because it's hard to say otherwise with reviews and hard data now out. But had you said something like this before the launch, up until the steam basically ran out with AMD's own statements and slide deck, you'd have a good handful of people calling you a shill.
Up until Vega FE and the deck from SIGGRAPH, I think no one was actually expecting it to be this bad. Even AMD sniffed how bad it was by asking reviewers to put focus on Vega 56.
A 14nm Fiji would be cheaper to manufacture, faster than Vega 64 and at half the power.
Really they f.....ed up big time.