Now we are 3 on the marketing teamIt was you that made power consumption the only metric of competitiveness but forgot to actually make it a personal preference when in fact we were talking about VEGA 56 being competitive against GTX1070 in general.
By your own metric, I could make it personal and say that VEGA 56 is even better than GTX1080 because I only play DOOM
from your own link
http://techreport.com/review/32391/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-rx-vega-56-graphics-cards-reviewed/3
I read everything and discarded nothing. I only responded to what I saw as the most ironic element, as you chose Doom as your target game, which has been the favorite demo game for AMD RTG marketing.
I didn't get into your Strawman about power being the only criteria, because I already covered that in a previous post.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-review
I dont like VEGA but I truly find this competitive if the price is the same for both cards.
The new synch feature as described by tpu is interesting. Getting much of the synch benefit running on all monitors is great.I mostly agree. Though at the same price, I would get a 1070, though it is very reasonable for others to choose the Vega 56.
If I was building a new PC, and wanted around GTX 1070 level performance, and if AIB (I don't like the blower cooler) Vega 56 cards were actually priced lower in the real world, I would get a Vega 56.
It's definitely the most reasonable Vega.
But it remains to be seen where the pricing goes in the real world, in the future, when there are AIB cards selling.
But first, I am looking to upgrade an older PC, and I am cheap, so neither card is for me.
An intelligent workload distributor (IWD) continually adjusts pipeline settings based on the characteristics of the draw calls it receives in order to maximize utilization.
One factor that can cause geometry engines to idle is context switching. Context switches occur whenever the engine changes from one render state to another, such as when changing from a draw call for one object to that of a different object with different material properties. The amount of data associated with render states can be quite large, and GPU processing can stall if it runs out of available context storage. The IWD seeks to avoid this performance overhead by avoiding context switches whenever possible.
Some draw calls also include many small instances (i.e.,they render many similar versions of a simple object). If an instance does not include enough primitives to fill a wavefront of 64 threads, then it cannot take full advantage of the GPU’s parallel processing capability, and some proportion of the GPU's capacity goes unused. The IWD can mitigate this effect by packing multiple small instances into a single wavefront, providing a substantial boost to utilization.
The new synch feature as described by tpu is interesting. Getting much of the synch benefit running on all monitors is great.
As for pricing i was hoping 1070 would be 970 priceclass. So 299. Obviously the lack of compettition prevented that and now mining is all over. Why not get a 1060 3gb and take those textures to medium? Its still cheap.
It was you that made power consumption the only metric of competitiveness but forgot to actually make it a personal preference when in fact we were talking about VEGA 56 being competitive against GTX1070 in general.
By your own metric, I could make it personal and say that VEGA 56 is even better than GTX1080 because I only play DOOM
from your own link
http://techreport.com/review/32391/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-rx-vega-56-graphics-cards-reviewed/3
You could have a future on AMD's marketing team.
Enhanced Sync - similar to Fast Sync but with more features.
Tech has got to be the only market on the planet where if your release doesn't crush the opposition, you get burned at the stake.
Do people flame Campbell's for making worse baked beans than Bush? No.
Personally, I'm glad to see the Vega product line because they offer choice at all but the highest end most don't buy, or need.
If the price is too high at the moment, supply and demand will adjust it soon.
If they use too much power for one's case/ power supply, buy a Pascal.
Can't see any harm to the community done by these products, and even achieving 1070/1080 level performance a little over a year later is a triumph of engineering.
I'm not trying to market Vegas, I bought a Ti because I got sick of waiting. I can definitely see a market for these parts with the 1440 and ultra wide users with Freesync, and when the price adjusts probably everyone else who games.
AA Performance Issue?
An issue that we weren’t expecting, is traditional Multi-Sample or Super Sample Anti-Aliasing performance.
Based on our testing there is indication that MSAA is detrimental to AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 performance in a big way. In three separate games, enabling MSAA drastically reduced performance on AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and the GTX 1080 was faster with MSAA enabled. In Deus EX: Mankind Divided we enabled 2X MSAA at 1440p with the highest in-game settings. The GeForce GTX 1080 was faster with 2X MSAA enabled. However, without MSAA, the AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 was faster. It seems MSAA drastically affected performance on AMD Radeon RX Vega 64.
In Rise of the Tomb Raider we enabled 2X SSAA at 1440p. Once again, we see AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 drop in performance. GeForce GTX 1080 was faster with 2X SSAA compared to Radeon RX Vega 64 with SSAA. Finally, in Dirt 4, which is playable at 8X MSAA, was faster on GTX 1080.
This is combined evidence enough that enabling forms of anti-aliasing like MSAA or SSAA are for some reason performance-impacting on AMD Radeon RX Vega 64. We need to do more testing on this for sure.
The conclusion so far is thus, when using shader based AA methods like SMAA, or FXAA or Temporal AA, or CMAA AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 performs much better and can compete with GTX 1080. However, if enabling any level of MSAA or SSAA then performance will decrease more on AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and GTX 1080 will give more performance in that scenario. Therefore currently, AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 is best played with shader based AA methods versus traditional MSAA or SSAA in games for now. It will be interested to see if this can get addressed in a driver update.
One of the worst things to creep into our society is that everyone is a winner. Some things just aren't that great and it's ok to say it.
Sorry, wasn't aware I was in the presence the best looking, richest, most athletic, most intelligent man on the planet....I "flame" every car maker for making worse cars than Tesla. If you can objectively measure something, and then you want to say that a conversation about that measurement is "flaming" because the measurement is negative, well then there is a LOT of flaming that goes on.
Should Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, get a pass for making WORSE cars than the Model S? No, they should be crucified, over and over again, until they get the picture. Look at Porsche's statement, where they renegged on their "Screw electric" and hopped on that train instantly when the model S was decimating their cars.
Everytime I see someone with a new car that isn't a Tesla actually (or an all electric car when it's clear it would fit their needs), I lol....
One of the worst things to creep into our society is that everyone is a winner. Some things just aren't that great and it's ok to say it.
We're not reviewers who get card samples. We don't need to put every card in the best light.
Edit: Simply existing is also NOT cause for praise. "We should be happy they're even there!" does not add to the conversation.
Edit2: Jealous of your Ti by the way. And to be clear, the point of my post is that let people discuss the GPU. Simply saying "Just buy Pascal then!!!!" just doesn't add to the conversation. In my opinion it hurts it. Discuss Vega. I'm going to see the GamersNexus undervolt/OC results of Vega 56 just because well.... we're on anandtech. We can't get enough info on GPUs and enough discussion about them.
I can't believe they would ship drivers that are that broken.Now seeing this on reddit, I'm wondering if we're seeing Vega working right? Personally, I want to see all the 4K testing without AA.... I don't use AA and if AA is bugged, we may not be seeing these reviews correctly.
Where are all the obligatory "Poor Vega" posts? I demand them right now.