AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and 56 Reviews [*UPDATED* Aug 28]

[tential]

XB321HK.

I'm just not mentally ready for the prices Nvidia related products cost.

4k 144hz will cost ~$1800. I think I'll just go straight that route and eat that cost with Volta.

 

[tential]

Possibly, but that's just speculation unless you have some proof? You have the sales numbers?

On reddit, someone called Newegg and they told him they had 10 liquid cooled Vegas in stock.

So quite low quantities I imagine

 

[PeterScott]

But hasn't it already been confirmed that vega isn't good for mining and especially not profitable at all for $600?

I'd expect Miners to be more interested in the Vega 56, unfortunately for gamers, because this also had the potential to be the best gaming value as well.

 

[crisium]

I'm just not mentally ready for the prices Nvidia related products cost.

4k 144hz will cost ~$1800. I think I'll just go straight that route and eat that cost with Volta.

Sadly the 4k 144hz monitors are delayed to next year. But could end up aligning with GV104 launch.

 

[Rifter]

So there's some shenanigans going on right now with the pricing. See here for an article about it, plenty of talk breaking out on reddit with some other speculation and sources too.

It appears that $499 Vega was a bait and switch and we're only going to be seeing 64 at $599 from now on. Before you get your pitchforks note this is still not 'confirmed' as such and could be one of those things that looks way worse than it really is at this point. That said this is not looking good right now and AMD are supposed to be preparing a statement about it to clarify what's going on.
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If true im done with AMD GPU's, ill buy a Gsync display and not look back. Ontop of such a bad performing GPU launch and then they pull this shit? complete BS.

Setting a MSRP price solely to get it out printed in the reviews to make your botched launch look better then next few days raising it and hoping no one notices is just plain dishonest.

Price was the only way Vega could compete given its lesser performance and higher power usage vs nvidia i do not understand why AMD would do this, its insanity.

 

[jpiniero]

Price was the only way Vega could compete given its lesser performance and higher power usage vs nvidia i do not understand why AMD would do this, its insanity.

Possibly they were unconvinced that miners would buy it given the high stock price?

 

[NeonFlak]

There was a Vega 64 on Newegg for $499 for the first couple hours on Monday. Was going to get it for $499, not worth it for $599.

 

[Arachnotronic]

If true im done with AMD GPU's, ill buy a Gsync display and not look back. Ontop of such a bad performing GPU launch and then they pull this shit? complete BS.

Setting a MSRP price solely to get it out printed in the reviews to make your botched launch look better then next few days raising it and hoping no one notices is just plain dishonest.

Price was the only way Vega could compete given its lesser performance and higher power usage vs nvidia i do not understand why AMD would do this, its insanity.

G-Sync waters are real nice. Love my XB270HU, best monitor I've ever owned.

 

[Phynaz]

AMD really needs the money so I can't really blame them, esp when miners will apparently sell it out even at $599.

AMD doesn't get the money from increased prices, retailers do.

 

[Glo.]

If true im done with AMD GPU's, ill buy a Gsync display and not look back. Ontop of such a bad performing GPU launch and then they pull this shit? complete BS.

Setting a MSRP price solely to get it out printed in the reviews to make your botched launch look better then next few days raising it and hoping no one notices is just plain dishonest.

Price was the only way Vega could compete given its lesser performance and higher power usage vs nvidia i do not understand why AMD would do this, its insanity.

Going by current Nvidia progress in just two generations, GTX 3050 Ti will allow for 4K/60Hz.

End of off-topic.

 

[raghu78]

AMD doesn't get the money from increased prices, retailers do.

Since we are hearing from retailers like gibbo of ocuk that the USD 500 price for RX Vega was a introductory price offer only for launch window you don't know what AMD is charging the AIBs for Vega GPUs going forward. If AMD will sell every Vega GPU they make even at higher prices then they will surely price it higher.

 

[Mercennarius]

Really disapointed in the increase in price on these GPUs...$399/$499 was a good launch price for the performance...$499/$599+ is not. And the low quantities is also very disappointing...AMD is really shafting gamers here.

 

[PeterScott]

AMD doesn't get the money from increased prices, retailers do.

Actually AMD does get more. If your read what retailers were saying:

“is AMD are rebating early launch sales to allow us to hit £449.99 on the stand alone black card which has no games. This is a launch only price which AMD at present are saying will be withdrawn in the near future, when if it happens is unknown, but remember do not be shocked if the price jumps nearly £100 in a few days.”

So the wholesale price from AMD was aimed at a higher price from the start, only the rebates got the card price down to the "MSRP" AMD was telling tech sites.

When AMD kills the rebates, they get more money, and the price goes up.

 

[DidelisDiskas]

So 1070 performance for 500$ (at a minimum) and 600$ (at a minimum) for 1080 performance with much higher power usage. Who exactly is going to buy these cards?

Is this price marketing trick even legal?

 

[guachi]

So 1070 performance for 500$ (at a minimum) and 600$ (at a minimum) for 1080 performance with much higher power usage. Who exactly is going to buy these cards?

Is this price marketing trick even legal?

Yes, it is perfectly legal to price a product uncompetitively.

Also, and I hope you're sitting down for this, Santa Claus isn't real.

 

[Malogeek]

Yes, it is perfectly legal to price a product uncompetitively.

I believe the comment regarding legality is the pricing of only the first x amount of cards at the price told by AMD before release and to reviewers for comparison, and then raising that price shortly after (literally an hour after) by $100.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I believe the comment regarding legality is the pricing of only the first x amount of cards at the price told by AMD before release and to reviewers for comparison, and then raising that price shortly after (literally an hour after) by $100.

Weren't they saying the non-bundled GPUs are $100 more?

It was just as bad when Nvidia introduced FE versions and everyone expected the AIB bundles to be cheaper since they said MSRP was full $100 lower than what they said was for FE versions, but in reality everything was above MSRP.

What about Polaris claiming $200 but with the caveat you needed the limited edition 4GB reference cards to reach the price point and AIB cards were beyond $250?

Just saying, whether its legal or right to do so they all do this.

I can also tell you other examples. Lenovo products have leaks saying $999 pricing weeks before actual release(of course not by Lenovo themselves but by review sites) but on the release day they price it $1199, with the product being on a Day 1 sale $200 off for $999. Since vast majority of the people don't keep track of release dates they think "Oh its on sale".

 

[Glo.]

Guys, I think you should see this:

Vega 56 completely crushing GTX 1080, in performance, when tested WITHOUT AA.

 

[Malogeek]

Guys, I think you should see this:

Vega 56 completely crushing GTX 1080, in performance, when tested WITHOUT AA.

In Dirt4, which is massively skewed to AMD cards and always has been. Though you knew that of course.

 

[Glo.]

In Dirt4, which is massively skewed to AMD cards and always has been. Though you knew that of course.

Yes, its not even what I meant. I was surprised by the scores. This should be actually "dug" more. In other games.

 

[Rifter]

Guys, I think you should see this:

Vega 56 completely crushing GTX 1080, in performance, when tested WITHOUT AA.

Yeah thats great and all but for me to consider buying one they will need to:

1. Price it well
2. Fix the AA issue as i use AA alot
3. Actually make enough of them to be in stock.

 

[Glo.]

Yes, its not even what I meant. I was surprised by the scores. This should be actually "dug" more. In other games.

Actually this has been tested by another reviewer, but only compared with GTX 1070.

Look out the scores. Its sometimes two times faster than GTX 1070.

Actually this may validate that the drivers for this architecture are the biggest issue.

 

[Elixer]

Well, the bulk memory prices went up 30%, so, I suspect that adds another $5-9 to the total bill of sale.
Then we have the low supply of HBM2 which really lowers the amount of cards AMD can produce.

AMD is NOT direct selling the cards to the public and it is apparently against the law to force them to sell it at a specific price.

Q: One of my suppliers marks its products with a Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP). Do I have to charge this price?

A: The key word is "suggested." A dealer is free to set the retail price of the products it sells. A dealer can set the price at the MSRP or at a different price, as long as the dealer comes to that decision on its own. However, the manufacturer can decide not to use distributors that do not adhere to its MSRP.

So, there you have it.

Once AMD's AIBs & retailers sees that the cards at the higher price aren't selling, you will see the price go down.
Only Monero miners like Vega it seems, and there is not enough of those to make a dent realistically.

The question becomes, just who are these people that are willing to pay $100+ above MSRP, and why?

 

[Malogeek]

Yes, its not even what I meant. I was surprised by the scores. This should be actually "dug" more. In other games.

Sorry, mistook your intent. Yes it does need to be explored more and multiple people are reporting it now. It's not good that MSAA is having a higher than expected hit. There's a theory it's due to the ROPs tied to L2 now instead of memory controller.

 

[Glo.]

Sorry, mistook your intent. Yes it does need to be explored more and multiple people are reporting it now. It's not good that MSAA is having a higher than expected hit. There's a theory it's due to the ROPs tied to L2 now instead of memory controller.

In essence: drivers not being ready and not optimized for this.