AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and 56 Reviews [*UPDATED* Aug 28]

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Rifter

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To be fair, you don't know that.
Could be a simple hardware limitation. We just don't know at this time.

That would be the final nail in the Vega coffin if its a hardware limitation that drops AA performance 20-30% vs nvidia. I hope for their sake its a software issue.
 

Glo.

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To be fair, you don't know that.
Could be a simple hardware limitation. We just don't know at this time.
Its the same pipeline as Nvidia hardware has. ROPs are connected to L2 cache.
 

IntelUser2000

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Its the same pipeline as Nvidia hardware has. ROPs are connected to L2 cache.

Can't be exactly the same. Implementation details are often that makes all the difference. The "devil" is in the details. It may be things we never know, like individual cache and instruction latencies.
 
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tg2708

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Blunty on youtube have the 56 handily beating an overclocked 1070 with ryzen system so with a few mature driver updates it may pull a bit more ahead. Also is the infinity fabric tech(?) working when a vega card is paired with ryzen or is that not currently implemented?
 

Glo.

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Can't be exactly the same. Implementation details are often that makes all the difference. The "devil" is in the details. It may be things we never know, like individual cache and instruction latencies.
When you look at the pipeline it is the same. Every meaningful engine in GPU pipeline is connected to L2 cache, instead of memory controller, and this is exactly the same thing as it is in Nvidia Pascal GPUs.

Implementation may be different but the idea is the same.
 

Artorias

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Could someone explain to me why there is doubt of any custom AIB partners cards being released?
 

PeterScott

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Could someone explain to me why there is doubt of any custom AIB partners cards being released?

I don't think there is any doubt that eventually there will be AIB cards, just that they won't be soon.

In one of the review videos I watched recently, they said the contacted many AIB builders and they said their wouldn't be AIB boards for some time yet. No exact dates given, just that they weren't coming soon.
 

EXCellR8

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I'm totally ok with there not being any non reference cards for a bit. I'd like to see what sort of driver support Vega gets and how the chips hold up under regular ownership.
 

tential

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I'm totally ok with there not being any non reference cards for a bit. I'd like to see what sort of driver support Vega gets and how the chips hold up under regular ownership.
You'll probably want to wait and see how the aib models hold up to and see what issues there are with any of the aib cards. That's where there is even more variability
 

PeterScott

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dlerious

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It's started already. Newegg has Liquid cooled 64s listed at $799. Looks like some of the others are up too. I'm seriously going to be looking at getting a G-sync monitor and going with Nvidia. At $499 the card was worth it. At $600 plus it isn't (to me).
 

Elixer

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Isn't this essentially what happened for Fury cards? It looks like they all used the AMD standard board and dropped their own triple fan on it to deal with the heat.
Also the 290/390 cards as well.

I bet you the AIBs can also design a better blower card as well.

You know, I was thinking that AMD would drop the crappy blower, and instead do it like Ryzen where they would have better coolers, that actually cool the card, and not be throttle city.
 
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stockolicious

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Vega consumes 380W still performs below 1080: http://www.hwbattle.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=hottopic&wr_id=7333

What an epic fail.

"What an epic fail"

I get it Vega is not the best gaming card - not meant to be, AMD packed compute performance in those cards so folks could use Adobe programs and stuff that the 1080 was not carved out to do. AMD made a more general use GPU- it was strategic and there is a market for it. The other side is Gaming experience - is there a big difference in gaming experience? from what i have seen - NO - for most,, the human eye cant pick up an extra few frame rates. when your not doing gaming and using adobe on those cards you need to draw power.
In a way the same strategy from Ryzen - leave everything open and let people use the product how they want. Ryzen is not a success because it is the best gaming CPU. It was gaming and using more cores to do other things that many people do now.
 

Cookie Monster

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"What an epic fail"

I get it Vega is not the best gaming card - not meant to be, AMD packed compute performance in those cards so folks could use Adobe programs and stuff that the 1080 was not carved out to do. AMD made a more general use GPU- it was strategic and there is a market for it. The other side is Gaming experience - is there a big difference in gaming experience? from what i have seen - NO - for most,, the human eye cant pick up an extra few frame rates. when your not doing gaming and using adobe on those cards you need to draw power.
In a way the same strategy from Ryzen - leave everything open and let people use the product how they want. Ryzen is not a success because it is the best gaming CPU. It was gaming and using more cores to do other things that many people do now.

Regardless of whether or not its the best gaming card, the primary revenue stream for the RTG is gaming. Same goes for nVIDIA as the majority of their revenue and profits come from the gaming market. Its their core and primary business in terms of video cards. So saying things like "its not meant to be" is a poor attempt at masking their failure. If for all intent and purpose that was their goal, to go for a more compute orientated card and go after those markets, then they've essentially risked their primary business doing so.

From my industrial experience (I know its anecdotal but Im thinking alot of users will share the same sentiment), only a few very specific type of work loads in a prosumer environment (engineering for instance) actually benefit from having a workstation or compute GPU to do the work. Most of the performance comes down to the CPU/Memory and the hard disk..

VEGA has failed to meet performance targets. Its missed the power targets. Its not even that great in terms of compute mainly due to lacking the sofare toolchains and libraries. And its late.

And can we not start one of those "the human eye can only see X FPS so A cards are not required" arguments.. and no your general adobe experience outside very specific work types will not be greatly enhanced by using VEGA as opposed to a GTX1080. Actually Id rather have the 1080 because with VEGA your going to consume more power even for 2D tasks.
 

beginner99

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I think this was a borderline paper launch with negligible stock, so "selling out" doesn't really imply much in the way of actual sales numbers.

This. Here in my country it isn't even listed or announced anywhere. paper launch par excellence. Mining craze is actual their luck as it's an easy scapegoat.
 

krumme

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It's started already. Newegg has Liquid cooled 64s listed at $799. Looks like some of the others are up too. I'm seriously going to be looking at getting a G-sync monitor and going with Nvidia. At $499 the card was worth it. At $600 plus it isn't (to me).
Then go buy that gsynch monitor. Why not?
Add 200 to 800 usd each time you change your monitor.
Select your monitor from 20% of the models on the market.
Seems to me like lifelong tax on stupid people
 

Kallogan

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If Vega is indeed faster than nvidia without AA, that changes things a lot.

AA is crap in my opinion, i turned it off 99% of the time.
 

showb1z

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Then go buy that gsynch monitor. Why not?
Add 200 to 800 usd each time you change your monitor.
Select your monitor from 20% of the models on the market.
Seems to me like lifelong tax on stupid people

That makes no sense, the other way around is a lot more of an issue: being locked in when upgrading your GPU.
It would be much easier for me to go back to Nvidia if they stopped being jackasses and just supported the VESA adaptive sync standard.

I really want to get an AMD GPU but it's absurd right now. Polaris is out of stock and highly inflated. Vega 64 is selling for €650 while GTX1080 is €500-€550, though I'm not interested in their shitty reference blower anyway.
So unless I'm seeing AIB Vega 56 under €500 in the next 1-2 months what choice do I really have?
 

positivedoppler

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I'm really torn. Kind of want to get a 1070 but there is the possibility Vega 54 will exceeds 1080 performance after driver optimization. I don't want to wait much longer....A friend offer to sale me one of his 50+ mining 580 but I want a much faster card...why cant this be easier....
 

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XFX became my go-to after BFG packed up shop. Their 6, 7, 8 and 9 series NVIDIA cards were great and I still wish I had the AGP 7950 as they are quite rare. The only AMD card I've owned by way of XFX was a HD5970 black edition which I sold a few years back. Terrific GPU at the time of inception.

i think I still have a XFX 9800GT and 8800GTS lying around here somewhere. Hot garbage nowadays but they still run some DX10 games fairly well.
Jackie60: I'm on my way back home but while I was away I ordered an Acer E430K monitor so I'll test out your premise in the next 24 hours.
Woohoo have fun and report back
 

CatMerc

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Ooo, Vega vs Fiji IPC comparison. At least they did not regress vs Fiji. Polaris still better performance-per-flop, and Hawaii better still thanks to its balanced design. Still a shame we never got a Polaris with the same configuration as Hawaii. I think it would perform very close to Vega 56, and I cannot imagine it would be more expensive to produce than Vega.
It's interesting how some games got astonishing games. BF1 and TF2 have 25% and 24% IPC gains respectively.

From highest to lowest [loss in bracket]:
BF1: 25% | Gaming Evolved
Titanfall 2: 24% GameWorks
Deus Ex Mankind Divided: 13% | Gaming Evolved
Shadow Warrior 2: 11% | GameWorks
Call of Duty Infinite Warfare: 11% | ???
DOOM 2016: 8% | Gaming Evolved
ME Andromeda: 6% | GameWorks
Dishonored 2: 5% | GameWorks
F1 2016: 4% | ???
The Witcher 3: 4% | GameWorks
ME Catalyst: 3% | GameWorks
RoTR: 3% | GameWorks
Mafia 3: 1% | GameWorks
Watch Dogs 2: 1% | GameWorks
Anno: [2%] | ???
Gears of War 4: [6%] | GameWorks
AoTS: [6%] | Gaming Evolved
 
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