AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and 56 Reviews [*UPDATED* Aug 28]

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guachi

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Freesync does seem to be the main rationalization for going with AMD.

I'm an AMD fan and I think it's the only reason. But a very, very good reason.

Before prices got crazy, the 470 (especially) and the 480 were fantastic cards and were easily better than the 1060 because of the availability of inexpensive 1080 Freesync monitors. The 470 and 480 are fast enough and the Freesync range on 1080 monitors wide enough that you'll (almost) never have to worry about settings while simultaneously being able to run many games at high fps.

The same, unfortunately, can't be said for the 1080 and 64 at 4k. Both are marginal in many newer games and so you can't set-it-and-forget-it.

Luckily, Freesync (and G sync) are so good that cheaper Freesync covers for lots of sins.

Once you go Freesync, you'll never rethink. Or something. If that locks me in to AMD, so be it. nVidia had no one to blame but themselves.
 
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The 17.8.1 driver fixed voltage control on Vega. Vega is looking great when undervolted.

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...vega-56-und-vega-64-im-undervolting-test.html
They take Vega 56 from being a 1070 competitor, to a 1080 competitor, while using less power than a 1080? Once again, it looks like AMD have delivered some fantastic hardware, marred only by dubious choice of default settings and marketing. Possibly a lack of driver optimization too, but it remains to be seen how much more they can eke out through software alone.
 

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My response to undervolting the 56 is "lolwut?"

Those numbers are so good they look unreal.

Even the 64 benefits greatly.
 

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I'm an AMD fan and I think it's the only reason. But a very, very good reason.

Before prices got crazy, the 470 (especially) and the 480 were fantastic cards and were easily better than the 1060 because of the availability of inexpensive 1080 Freesync monitors. The 470 and 480 are fast enough and the Freesync range on 1080 monitors wide enough that you'll (almost) never have to worry about settings while simultaneously being able to run many games at high fps.

The same, unfortunately, can't be said for the 1080 and 64 at 4k. Both are marginal in many newer games and so you can't set-it-and-forget-it.

Luckily, Freesync (and G sync) are so good that cheaper Freesync covers for lots of sins.

Once you go Freesync, you'll never rethink. Or something. If that locks me in to AMD, so be it. nVidia had no one to blame but themselves.

As an only reason, it's actually a very poor one from a business case, because only a very tiny niche audience is going to buy a new monitor with their video card.

I am still using a ~10 year old NEC Pro monitor that I won't replace until it dies. It has a an A-TW filter that removes the white glow from IPS panels, fixing the only real IPS flaw. It makes for the best CRT approximation you can buy (the good features of CRT, like viewing angle stability).

When I do buy a new monitor, it will be image quality first, features like GS/FS will be secondary.

Edit: Also it looks like you need Freesync 2 monitors to reach parity with Gsync, and I bet you will find the price delta will be a lot smaller between FS/GS monitor prices when looking at FS2 monitors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVheiHBWYrE
 
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They take Vega 56 from being a 1070 competitor, to a 1080 competitor, while using less power than a 1080? Once again, it looks like AMD have delivered some fantastic hardware, marred only by dubious choice of default settings and marketing. Possibly a lack of driver optimization too, but it remains to be seen how much more they can eke out through software alone.

Yeah... that looks MUCH better.

It actually makes me feel Vega will be alright in Raven Ridge and could make for a great notebook chip. I mean the last thing you want is a power guzzler of a GPU sharing a limited power budget with the CPU.

I wonder what could happen if the software side of things catches up to the hardware, with these kind of results...


Maybe Vega isn't such a train wreck after all. We'll see. Too bad we never get to see RTG's best on launch day. Oh well.
 

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My response to undervolting the 56 is "lolwut?"

Those numbers are so good they look unreal.

Even the 64 benefits greatly.

I'd really like to see more tests for undervolting. Come on, Ryan!

It boggles my mind that AMD continues to release their cards in this state, especially if there is performance to be gained. I just don't get it. Is it because they only care about clock comparisons and not actual performance? Simple budget constraints that they never can get drivers tuned in time for absolute final release date? I mean, the release last week was so incredibly bad that, even if this update completely changes things one week later, much damage is already done.

I guess the AIB cards are going to be appropriately tweaked out of the box to see these performance gains, on top of the better coolers? That would turn out really, really well for the 56 and be damn near impossible to purchase one this year

...I guess the "updated" pricing also reflects the "true" base price as it reflects actual performance (if 56 really is the 1080 competitor when properly volted) and means that AMD already knows that AIB cards are going to be significantly more expensive than these reference cards, for performance reasons. Also further explains why AMD insists that the typical consumer only pay attention to the 56.
Hmm, interesting times.
 
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As an only reason, it's actually a very poor one from a business case, because only a very tiny niche audience is going to buy a new monitor with their video card.

I am still using a ~10 year old NEC Pro monitor that I won't replace until it dies. It has a an A-TW filter that removes the white glow from IPS panels, fixing the only real IPS flaw. It makes for the best CRT approximation you can buy (the good features of CRT, like viewing angle stability).

When I do buy a new monitor, it will be image quality first, features like GS/FS will be secondary.

This is why im going to a dual setup, i got my dell ultrasharp for IQ already and am going to invest into a G-sync monitor for gaming. Then you can have both good IQ for work/production and sync for gaming.

I was hoping vega was a success because i do like the freesync monitor options and would rather support AMD as a company over nvidia, but i cant bring myself to invest into freesync when AMD has shown they cannot release a high end GPU. When volta launches in 6 months Nvidia is going to have 6 unanswered top tier GPU's that AMD cant touch(1080/1080Ti/Titan/2070/2080/2080Ti) Navi will not be out in 6 months to counter volta, not even close, its likely 1.5-2 years away at best and will compete with what comes after volta.

If im going to lock myself to one GPU company its going to be the one that has shown they can consistently release top tier GPU's. Im not going to invest in a sync option that limits me to the 7th tier or lower performing end of GPU spectrum, especially since ill likely go 4k for my sync monitor.
 

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UnderVolting! what a load of crap, first of all any chip can be undervolted, NV chips can do the same and performance does increase as well and power consumotion falls siginifacntly. So to see some obscure site compares undervolted Vega to a normal 1080 is BS, they should have undervolted them both.

Secondly, it's not stable, it may work for some applications, but it will crash in many others. AMD set these voltages the way they are because that's how reliable the chips will be in every app. We have many undervolted RX 580s in a mining farm, they mine fine, but when you game on them most games crash.
 

Elixer

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Nope, None of them actually cite Gibbo as a direct source, but rather have their info from other places, here is Steve for example, getting his info from AIB partners :
AIB Partners to GN: Gibbo Was Right About AMD Price Changing

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3023-aib-partners-to-gn-yes-vega-price-will-change


I know it is hard to keep up, but, as of 8/21, the information they posted is incorrect.

Look at the latest video on the matter, which I already posted above, but I will do it again since you have seem to have missed it.
"There was NO initial rebate pricing" 4:07 mark.
He collaborated this latest information with Steve, and the rest of them, so they are all on the same page. 7:40 mark

 

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This is why im going to a dual setup, i got my dell ultrasharp for IQ already and am going to invest into a G-sync monitor for gaming. Then you can have both good IQ for work/production and sync for gaming.

I was hoping vega was a success because i do like the freesync monitor options and would rather support AMD as a company over nvidia, but i cant bring myself to invest into freesync when AMD has shown they cannot release a high end GPU. When volta launches in 6 months Nvidia is going to have 6 unanswered top tier GPU's that AMD cant touch(1080/1080Ti/Titan/2070/2080/2080Ti) Navi will not be out in 6 months to counter volta, not even close, its likely 1.5-2 years away at best and will compete with what comes after volta.

If im going to lock myself to one GPU company its going to be the one that has shown they can consistently release top tier GPU's. Im not going to invest in a sync option that limits me to the 7th tier or lower performing end of GPU spectrum, especially since ill likely go 4k for my sync monitor.

I think Vega 10 tape out was last June based on this "milestone" celebration.

I'd expect Navi to take about as long, and they're doing tape outs of 7nm products by the end of this year. So another year cycle from there puts it Q4 2018 / Q1 2019 for product release.

Keep in mind Vega was heavily delayed in the development cycle because of HBM2 production targets not being met by SK Hynix...
 

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I know it is hard to keep up, but, as of 8/21, the information they posted is incorrect.

Look at the latest video on the matter, which I already posted above, but I will do it again since you have seem to have missed it.
"There was NO initial rebate pricing" 4:07 mark.
He collaborated this latest information with Steve, and the rest of them, so they are all on the same page. 7:40 mark

AMD rep has made a statement again at gamescom
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6vbnfl/amd_rx_vegas_pricing_was_not_just_for_launch_but

I am planning on Vega 56 with Acer 1440p Freesync Monitor.
I have 3 weeks leave from second week of of Sep, hopefully AIBs are in and I want to play some games at that time.
I like my XFX RX480 GTR, hopefully by then XFX has something.
with the new driver and the undervolt it does not seem such a bad product.

EDIT:
I will also be making a job change, and the usual buzzwords I have to be aware. So I want in on the OpenCL, AI etc. I have a windows and Ubuntu dual boot and I read AMD is also going in the right direction in Linux.
 
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Thanks.
Here is the pastebin of that thread.
AMD RX VEGA'S PRICING WAS "NOT JUST FOR LAUNCH, BUT ONGOING"

There has been a lot of confusion and consternation surrounding the launch of the AMD RX Vega graphics cards, most especially around the pricing. But now AMD are saying they’re pulling out all the stops to “get those prices to where we suggested when we launched them.”

I spoke to AMD’s Gerald Youngblood out on the showfloor of Gamescom today about the struggles with both stock and pricing of Radeon graphics cards, and specifically about whether we were ever going to see Vega at its original launch price. So, how much does Vega really cost?

“Our SEPs, and the price tag that we announced,” says Youngblood, “is our full intention of where we would suggest the product be priced. Not just for launch, but ongoing.”

What happened though was we launched the product and the demand was really huge. Now we’re focused on replenishing so that there is plenty of stock so we can encourage our partners to hit the SEPs that we announced.”

It’s primarily this filling of retailers inventory which AMD sees as key to getting the prices of Vega down to their original pre-launch levels.

“First of all we just need to drive as much stock as we can,” says Youngblood, “because inventory is really important in everybody being able to hit those prices. Then it’s just working with our partners to enable it, but we don’t set the price of their product. But we will drive, and do everything that we can, to get those prices to where we suggested when we launched them earlier.”

AMD also need to up their GPU production game for their older cards too, especially because they’re set to launch a new Quake Champions bundle.

“We’re going to be bundling Quake Champions with the Champions pack,” he says, “which unlocks all the champions in the game, with all our Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 processors, and with all RX 580, 570, and 560 graphics cards as added value for our customers.”

That’s great for CPUs with lots of stock, but it’s practically impossible to buy any 500-series Radeon graphics card right now.

“We’re very focused on delivering increased supply out to the market,” explains Youngblood. “And that’s both to meet all the demands that are out there and, yes, we’re trying to catch up and get more stock out there. And you’ll see more stock available very soon.”

Fingers crossed it’s very soon ‘cos those e-shelves look like the GPU locusts have just swarmed through.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-rx-vega-launch-price-reduction (original article quoted above)
 
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Yes, that's why all the RX Vega 64's and FE's are using 945mhz Samsung HBM2 instead of their partner SK Hynix who can't provide anything faster than the lower grade 800mhz HBM2 even this late in the game.

Yes, totally on schedule!

It should be obviously from the earlier stop gap release of Vega FE, with missing gaming features, that HBM was available, but Vega wasn't ready for market.

Drivers appear to have been the major holdup.
 
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I think Vega 10 tape out was last June based on this "milestone" celebration.

I'd expect Navi to take about as long, and they're doing tape outs of 7nm products by the end of this year. So another year cycle from there puts it Q4 2018 / Q1 2019 for product release.

Keep in mind Vega was heavily delayed in the development cycle because of HBM2 production targets not being met by SK Hynix...

Even if they hit Q1 2019, which after the vega delays and this botched launch is a big if, this is still going to leave Nvidia with 6 unanswered top tier GPU's more powerful than vega, for a year+, will be over 2 years unanswered for the 1080/1080Ti/titan by then.

And if navi is only as successful as vega they will be a year late, and competing with a ~2070 so a GPU 2-4 chips down Nvidias product stack(as they will have a 2080/2080Ti and likely a Titan by then..)

Unless Navi is massively more successful than Vega Nvidia is going to be the only company manufacturing Top tier GPU's for the next 2-3 years or more.

For someone like me who is not invested in free/G sync at this time it only makes sense to hitch your horse to the wagon thats producing the best GPU's, and for the foreseeable future thats Nvidia as much as i hate to admit it.

Maybe this undervolting will change things up a bit for vega, but unless it comes out that 90%+ of the vega chips can be undervolted like in the hardwareluxx review(which i doubt, otherwise AMD would have done this from the start) you are going to need a golden sample to undervolt effectively. Im not interested in playing the silicon lottery with my GPU just to make it perform like it should have from the factory, and why would i be when i can buy Nvidia and not worry about a silicon lottery/undervolting and get reliable performance out of the box?

This undervolting may be a glimmer of hope, but i suspect that AMD binned these so poorly to maximize stock for launch that not many will undervolt well. AMD is not totally stupid, they would not have cranked up the voltage that much unless they needed to for the majority of the chips to be stable.
 
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He collaborated this latest information with Steve, and the rest of them, so they are all on the same page. 7:40 mark
They are not, he just relayed his info to Steve, his info could also be wrong, the rebates are real, if they are not AMD would have gone out and said so in a very clear and loud voice, but they haven't.

Also AMD's rep stataement doesn't mean jackshit, it's just repeating the same old crap about restocking inventory and "encouraging" partners and retailers to sell at the same SEP, they never once denied the rebate rumor.
 

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AMD Vega has an optimization in "14 nm +", according to road map from Financial analyst day. Could do wonders like NVIDIA GeForce 400 to 500 series, or be almost rebrand-like as in AMD Radeon RX 400 to 500 series. Optimized Vega may answer NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti.
 

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It actually makes me feel Vega will be alright in Raven Ridge and could make for a great notebook chip. I mean the last thing you want is a power guzzler of a GPU sharing a limited power budget with the CPU.

AMD isn't going to undervolt Raven Ridge.
 
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It should be obviously from the earlier stop gap release of Vega FE, with missing gaming features, that HBM was available, but Vega wasn't ready for market.

Drivers appear to have been the major holdup.

Clock for clock, the RX Vega isn't significantly different than the Vega FE in gaming. Little reason to delay a launch a month and a half, other than manufacturing delays.

Also, super low stock to boot at launch, hmmm strange that? Seems like there's a production hold up? What's the most likely contender in this situation?
 
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Looks like some 64 available on newegg for $689 since last night. Guess they aren't that hot at that price. Was msrp 599 for the 64?
 

.vodka

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AMD isn't going to undervolt Raven Ridge.

Of course not.

End users could, and seeing these results, when paired with fast memory it could make for a very compelling offering at the correct price.
 
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