Nah, the props go to you for taking it in stride and not being a sensitive child about it.
Nah, the props go to you for taking it in stride and not being a sensitive child about it.Well, this is the kind of correction and feedback I want to hear when I make wrong statements. Stick it to me so I can learn . In this case, I wont get too overzealous on Monday. Just trying to avoid the price gouging idiocy if I can. Seems i'm going to have to bite the bullet and get a reference blower in order to get it at $399. No way in hell does it seem AIBs are going to produce a non blower for that price. Also, as its for compute, I don't think I will be maxing the card out causing the upper reaches of thermals to hit.
I absolutely agree that a retailer (such as OCUK) has much more credibility than the above mentioned journos, seeing as this whole thing is inherently a retailer issue. I just find it weird that so far Gibbo and OCUK is the only retailer that has come out and actually confirmed this story, other retailers (Komplett) have talked about limited quantity, but not rebates.
On a wild guess, I'm going to say it's a $100 rebate. AMD is asking them to take the cards that are in the black pack and asking them to sell them as cards only. Amd is giving them the rebate to make up the difference between the $599 pack and $499 card. If someone is declining to participate, could it be because AMD wants the $499 price and the retailer makes more from selling the pack at inflated prices?I just watched the video, and the claims there are weird as all hell. Basically he says that Scan.co.uk was also offered the rebate, but for some unknown reason decided not to utilize it. That sound rather hard to believe to me, especially when we haven't heard anything like this from scan themselves.
Reviewers will have to do a whole lot of work again once Primitive Shaders are enabled.
Reviewers will have to do a whole lot of work again once Primitive Shaders are enabled.
Your continuing posts on this topic are very poorly reasoned.There is an element of not biting the hand that feeds you, that will keep a lot of retailers quiet, and that apparently only select retailers were offered the rebate deal. I bet OCUK won't be in that select list next time. I do remember one other saying they were offered the rebate deal and passed, presumably because they could make more money just selling the card at what the market would bear.
In the end it's a small part of the mess that is Vega.
Vega's ultimate problem is that it is a poor technical solution, that is 15 months late to market. All the mistakes flow from that. The bad marketing to try and put lipstick on a pig, the Bundles to try to boost weak margins a expensive to produce cards, the alleged rebates to paint a temporary appearance of value...
A new video on the high cost of HBM and why AMD was stuck using it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ih5vmcDEk&t=914s
lol!
They aren't going to do that work again, you sweet, sweet child.
Probably right Though if one site publishes significant findings, often the others follow-suit to do their own confirmation testing. But yeah, probably in 6 months.... if it (and other promised features) are even enabled and functioning.The ship sailed there, just like any half baked not fully functioning update. You may find one or two sites in 6 months, or when Volta comes they will update.
Are you now arguing that these terrible, delayed cards that no one should want, are sold out and also commanding higher than MSRP from buyers? Now that's an impressive venture. Opposite coexisting claims. I guess I learn something new daily.
Traditional written sites maybe, but almost certainly the youtubers will, if the performance increase is enough to drive a new round of views and arguments.lol!
They aren't going to do that work again, you sweet, sweet child.
That's the crux of the matter. It doesn't matter if you don't understand why anyone would. The fact is that they appear to be doing so as of now. You are projecting your personal values on everyone and holding opposite conflicting viewpoints simultaneously.Hard to fathom why anyone but miners would pay over MSRP for these cards. For gamers even a 1080 FE is faster, but what is on the market are actually much better 1080 AIB cards.
Kyle at [H] has weaker credibility than Gibbo, after starting the whole AMD GPU inside Intel CPU rumor, that was pretty much shot down publicly and definitively by Intel and AMD both.
Hard to fathom why anyone but miners would pay over MSRP for these cards. For gamers even a 1080 FE is faster, but what is on the market are actually much better 1080 AIB cards.
If they want to keep it a secret,
They can lie.
Just saying.
faster? no. (but just barely) more efficient? yes. (demonstrably)
And use far more power at those clocks.The FE is faster, and really those even aren't for sale anymore, it might have been an apt comparison if Vega showed up 15 months ago.
https://techspot-static-xjzaqowzxaoif5.stackpathdns.com/articles-info/1476/bench/Slide2.png
But really it should be compared to AIB cards which are all clocked higher, increasing the gap.
Reviewers will have to do a whole lot of work again once Primitive Shaders are enabled.
The 390(x) was competitive insofar that it was around the performance levels of the 980 with worse performance/watt. The 290 series was also competitive in performance only. But back then AMD had the Fury series for the high end, now they have nothing.Nope i will tell you how it will go:
Remember the 290 and 290x? Yep 390 and 390x came and were more than competetive. This time they will do the same. They will enable vega trough drivers rebrand them and i bet they will be competetive vs volta cards.
The 390(x) was competitive insofar that it was around the performance levels of the 980 with worse performance/watt. The 290 series was also competitive in performance only. But back then AMD had the Fury series for the high end, now they have nothing.
No magic driver optimization will bridge the gap to the 980ti/Titan nor fix the power draw of Vega. Maybe in some very specific games they will come close in performance, but in the vast majority they wont. Let alone get close to Volta in either performance or perf/watt.
Nope, Primitive Shaders will add maybe 1%, 2% ? in very specific cases, and you can quote me on that.Reviewers will have to do a whole lot of work again once Primitive Shaders are enabled.
And use far more power at those clocks.
Look at reviews, there's no free lunch, there is a reason why FEs are clocked that way.
I just did!Nope, Primitive Shaders will add maybe 1%, 2% ? in very specific cases, and you can quote me on that.
Can you expand on this?Nope, Primitive Shaders will add maybe 1%, 2% ? in very specific cases, and you can quote me on that.