Since that's not what the white paper says I don't know why you'd think he's making that argument.
Since that's not what the white paper says I don't know why you'd think he's making that argument.
WTF I run PUBG at Ultra Mr know all, what are you talking about?? Literally you're talking out of your back bottom. HOWEVER in the light of your post I will review my settings as I do get hitchesLiterally no one runs PUBG on ultra. This the test PCGH did was of the "real world" type testing. That was their goal. It wasn't to sus out GPU limited data. The most common real world settings are ultra distance, high textures(or there abouts), and low everything else. Everyone I know uses though. AMD or Nvidia it doesn't matter. Also, Nvidia has CPU utilization issues now? I thought that was AMD? The point is that AMD at no point should be able to best a 1080ti if it's not possible. When the settings are cranked up towards GPU limited Vega drops off suggesting a bottleneck. You know the kind that happen when Vega features are disabled.
Outlier...we now have two outliers that show the exact trend. 1080p wins but then drop off at higher res. So much for Vega is just another Fiji. Fiji being the exact opposite.
WTF I run PUBG at Ultra Mr know all, what are you talking about?? Literally you're talking out of your back bottom. HOWEVER in the light of your post I will review my settings as I do get hitches
Most of the thread unfortunately is completely off track. My comment has nothing to do with fine wine..its about where the mm2 went.
No, I'm refuting this dishonest unequivocal statement made in an earlier post.Just to be clear you are making the argument that AMD is promising 10% performance uplift from new features?
... We've been saying wait a couple weeks for awhile now. When does it end...It is sad to see what some of these guys are thinking, especially the guy saying he thinks 50% boost is possible a few pages back.
However all we need to do is wait to prove ourselves right, or to prove them right, its really that simple. In a short amount of time this whole issue will be put to bed definitively with real world benchmarks to back it up.
I was thinking about this last night, this thread is going off the rails. Right now current performance is dismal especially if you take efficiency into consideration, and expectations built up on the poor volta marketing blunder. There is a pile of benchmarks to support this, now, at this time.
However, there is also a real possibility that they may improve performance greatly, the fact that myself and i think most realists do not believe that doesn't make it impossible.
So personally after giving this much thought ill give it a few weeks to see what the outcome is, and we will know which camp was right in their expectations.
We can come back to this thread in a few weeks time and have our answers, one way or the other.
... We've been saying wait a couple weeks for awhile now. When does it end...
That is nothing new, been going on like this for months.I was chatting to my local retailer yesterday and they said that they completely sold out of GTX 1080's and 1080ti's over the weekend.
I thought it was very telling.
I also found it mildly annoying because I was there enquiring about 1080ti's hahaha. My wait for Vega is over.
Someone is back home...and filling in some gaps...
AMD can just use the same trick they used with Fallout 4. Set the tessellation factor to a specific limit through the driver. It transformed their performance numbers over night. If NV is gonna play dirty, AMD is within their rights to fight back.
These tweets convinced me. I'm sold...
On firing Raja.
This kind of marketing BS that he speaks is a big part of the problem with Vega/RTG.
The reviews didn't highlight the perf/Watt dynamic well?
Ugh. When your product utterly fails to deliver in some category, stop trying to doublespeak your way out of it. Just saying nothing would be better, or admitting Perf/Watt is not good and moving on.
These tweets convinced me. I'm sold...
On firing Raja.
Quick update. Vega 56 undervolting is real.
Timpespy Graphics Scores:
Balanced Profile = 6203
Turbo Mode = 6400
Turbo Mode +50% Power = 6707
Custom with -1015 mV and +50% Power = 6839
Haven't found the bottom yet on the undervolting (timespy stable) but that's where I've stopped for now.
Other quick impressions:
Only having the top two power states available for tweaking is annoying, hopefully that gets resolved in a driver update soon.
Having a tachometer is kinda cool but at the same time totally superfluous.
Fan noise hasn't been as bad as I expected though I still need to put it through a heavier load to hear how bad it can get.
Eth mining with Claymore is just over 32 MH/s with the crypto driver and about 30 MH/s with latest graphic driver.
10% memory overclock = 2.6% increase in Timespy graphics score (7017).
Thanks for that, I live and learn!Then you're playing against people who don't have to look for you in shadows, who have vastly reduced amount of foliage, and who can see through crap at long distances because it doesn't render them. Basically you are purposely handicapping yourself in a competitive multiplayer game. Keep textures and draw distance at max and drop everything else to low is the short answer.
This here is the embodiment of what I am talking about, this here is the definition of straw grasping, overhyping, wishful thinking that plagues this whole launch.Vega whitepaper quote:
"In the case of “Vega” 10, we observed up to 10% higher
frame rates and memory bandwidth reductions of up to
33% when the DSBR is enabled for existing game
applications, with no increase in power consumption"
Man, your post is so epic it needs to be put in a picture frame!This post made me realize a few things. There is a list of posters I keep track of because of their otherwise hugely optimistic speculations. These posters put Polaris at heights AMD never once mentioned. Up to the Polaris launch some of these posters citing vague patents and new features kept hyping up Polaris. More weary of them I stopped listening but kept their predictions in mind. When Polaris launched they went mostly silent. Polaris never reached the, my personal favorite, 90% of GTX 1080 for half the price estimate or the famed "it's HD 4870 all over again." With Vega, it seems to be reoccurring with similar posters. Who were also there with the Async Compute "wait until it's used more in future games" claim.
We're still going in the same circles since freaking Fiji's launch with the same handful of posters making promises that have yet to materialize. At this point you're all just wasting your time. AMD was hush hush about Vega so much so one of their most honest bias reviewers, I've come across, called it back in January. But I swing by here and still the claims of magical uplift reminiscent of 2015 are still being promoted by the same handful of posters.
You can toss me in the pessimistic side. But I only got there from years of the same few people spouting the same expectations only to have AMD undelivered. And I started to personally blame AMD until I realized AMD wasn't the one putting their products in different tiers.