I think you are getting slightly ahead of yourself extrapolating based on one leaked synthetic benchmark of unknown provenance.
Nice. I had high hopes for RR APU and it looks like it will not disappoint. RR APU raises the bar for integrated graphics at affordable prices. I think AMD has a good product for entry level gaming. Nvidia will have to sell higher perf SKUs for notebooks as GT 1030 is made irrelevant given we get slightly lower perf but at far lower power consumption and superior battery life. I am looking forward to AMD's 7nm APUs with HBM in 2020 when AMD's vision 25x20 and Fusion will finally come true.
I think you are getting slightly ahead of yourself extrapolating based on one leaked synthetic benchmark of unknown provenance.
Wow. If a can get something remotely like this its apu redefined.
Being faster than Iris Pro for less isn't a huge accomplishment. Iris Pro is over priced and almost no one uses it.
Edram is a no go. Its similar if amd today added 2GB hbm next to their soc. Nice but not economic viable. Intels solution only made sense in a xbox situation and i am sure hbm on 7nm makes more sense yet.Iris Pro is already heavily subsidized by intel. If they charged the same price as their regular 4 core + GT2 on a per mm^2 basis it would cost 2-3x as much as it does. Intel probably comes close to losing money on each Iris Pro sku they sell, which is a large reason why they only appear in extremely expensive Apple and Dell laptops.
2x8 GB of DDR4-3200 SODIMM costs 250 USD (Newegg). LOL. Might as well get a laptop with dedicated GPU instead of buffing an integrated GPU; NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 starts around 800 USD.
Yes, considering these are 15W parts.Its a serious win on the market.
Iris Pro is already heavily subsidized by intel. If they charged the same price as their regular 4 core + GT2 on a per mm^2 basis it would cost 2-3x as much as it does. Intel probably comes close to losing money on each Iris Pro sku they sell, which is a large reason why they only appear in extremely expensive Apple and Dell laptops.
Mx150 is dead within 6 months if these numbers is right. Only next step up in line is remotely interesting.Yes, considering these are 15W parts.
RR is merely a ~220mm^2 die. They can absolutely nuke the mobile market because they are not chasing 60% margins. But they need to coerce OEMs into cooperation, just like they did with EPYC.Mx150 is dead within 6 months if these numbers is right. Only next step up in line is remotely interesting.
Who the f. Wants or can afford sepparate gpu. Makes no sense. Separate gpu needs to be more like twice as fast.
The comment on dram prices is also stupid. Ram doesnt get cheaper because you move it. You just have to buy more of it. So it just gets more expensive.
Surely those 4c apu will be expensive in the start because its performing like iris pro plus 50% at less tdp. It will command a premium but when the production gets up it will ajust.
You can also buy a used 4gz bulldozer and add an old 7970 put it in a cardbox and say its cheaper and faster.So? It doesn't alter my point that beating a product that doesn't have very good price/perf isn't really a big deal.
For the price of Iris Pro, you can probably get a laptop with a low end dGPU.
RR is merely a ~220mm^2 die. They can absolutely nuke the mobile market because they are not chasing 60% margins. But they need to coerce OEMs into cooperation, just like they did with EPYC.
But they do care about price, and I'm almost sure AMD will be selling RR considerably cheaper than Intel is selling their Core U SKUs.A huge chunk of buyers don't really care about IGP/APU performance
We will see a lot of boring but cheap 2c cut gpu running on one memory channel. Especially for the 10w tdp form factor.RR is merely a ~220mm^2 die. They can absolutely nuke the mobile market because they are not chasing 60% margins. But they need to coerce OEMs into cooperation, just like they did with EPYC.
But they do care about price, and I'm almost sure AMD will be selling RR considerably cheaper than Intel is selling their Core U SKUs.
But above all they want Intel-like marketshare. And there's one very simple way to gain marketshare.they will want Intel like prices.
If they dont care about performance this apu is not for them.Being able to beat intels IGP is not enough to "Nuke" the mobile market.
A huge chunk of buyers don't really care about IGP/APU performance, and those who really care will go for dGPU laptops.
Though it should be enough for AMD to make more headway and profit in mobile.
Yes they will still pour those crappy carizo on the lowest end market it seems but the market simply dictates prices. And this apu if those perf numbers come true means its a giant landslide.I wouldn't count on it. AMD will charge what they think the market will bear. In the past they only sold APU chips dirt cheap because they were undesirable. Now that they producing desirable CPUs, they will want Intel like prices.
They want entire gf capacity to run 100% and non of it margin trashy 28nm old stuff. Amd always try to keep prices up but hey will Intel stop producing? No the thought of an empty fab is a horror image. What will happen. Lower prices.But above all they want Intel-like marketshare. And there's one very simple way to gain marketshare.
But above all they want Intel-like marketshare. And there's one very simple way to gain marketshare.
That theory will be tested by Intel Coffee Lake i5 having lower priced 6 core desktops than AMD does.
Will AMD lower the price of Ryzen 1600 below Intel i5 8400, for market share, or will they keep the fat margins?
I am betting they will keep the margins.
Why would AMD have to lower the price of their Unlocked 6C/12T cpu below that of intel's Locked 6C/6T cpu when the latter performs substantially worse than the former and offers fewer features?
You don't even have your comparisons right. The 8400 is competition for R5 1500 or lower, not R5 1600/1600X.