AMD ReLive

[VirtualLarry]

One of the slides mention, automatic HDMI signal loss recovery and diagnostics. If it means, the card will try to trigger HDMI handshake again under certain error conditions, then it's a great update for those of us running HTPCs, with display occasionally getting stuck in black-screens.

Interesting that you should mention that. I'm running some recent "Hotfix" AMD driver, on my i5-6400 OC box, with a Sapphire RX 460 4GB Nitro card, and I've had issues with it waking up my new 40" 4K TV, sometimes, when I move my mouse, it wakes the TV up, but then it displays "no signal", but the PC is still running OK. However, when this happens, pressing the ATX soft-off power switch doesn't shut it down. It's kind of in some sort of weird limbo.

If, instead of hitting the power switch, I let 10 minutes or so to elapse again, then I can try moving the mouse again and waking it up again, and most of the time, that works, and it comes back up.

This seems nearly identical to the "black screen" issue that was plaguing R7 260X "Bonaire" cards. I had that issue with that card as well, in a different rig.

Seems AMD has difficulty with this HDMI tech., and handshaking. Then again, every display is different, in some respects.

I would like a hotkey, that would: 1) cause an effective HDMI disconnection, totally, and then 2) cause a re-connection, re-insert, re-handshake, whatever, etc.

Then, if the display wouldn't come back up after hitting the mouse, I could, in theory, just hit the hotkey, and bring my display back up.

 

[SpaceBeer]

OK AMD admiting the H264 downgrade, just to be clear.
http://i.imgur.com/dAVtEcu.jpg
mmm performance hit is kinda high, but even so im looking forward to this and to compare it to Win10 GameDVR.

Interesting CPU choice for the test. I would expect they have fully functional Zen CPU for stuff like these.

 

[chummy]

The performance impact is very good. On my test with bf4 Win10DVR achieved lowest performance loss with 3,4% to NVENC1 and 4,4% to VCE2. Take notice than the performance hit vary from game to game like the anandtech test demonstrate because each game load CPU, RAM bandwidth, PCI-e and even GPU differently and recording will add some extra load on every one of these. The percentage loss stay at some average, when you game run at 60fps 4% loss will represent 2,4fps, but at 140fps 4% will be 5,6fps. Yet the higher the in-game fps the percentual loss will increase a bit because some extra overhead. The lower the in-game fps the small will be the fps loss.

 

[Shivansps]

The performance impact is very good. On my test with bf4 Win10DVR achieved lowest performance loss with 3,4% to NVENC1 and 4,4% to VCE2. Take notice than the performance hit vary from game to game like the anandtech test demonstrate because each game load CPU, RAM bandwidth, PCI-e and even GPU differently and recording will add some extra load on every one of these. The percentage loss stay at some average, when you game run at 60fps 4% loss will represent 2,4fps, but at 140fps 4% will be 5,6fps. Yet the higher the in-game fps the percentual loss will increase a bit because some extra overhead. The lower the in-game fps the small will be the fps loss.

Did you record to the same HDD where the game is on? or game and recording where on different disks? HDD usage causes most of the problems.

 

[chummy]

Did you record to the same HDD where the game is on? or game and recording where on different disks? HDD usage causes most of the problems.

Always record to dedicated HDD to avoid problems. But if single disk I/O is fast enough for game read+record writes and it dont overload disk i dont know if too much performance can be dropped, something to find out.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

Welp, I'm a happy camper. Borderless Freesync is great, and while I don't think I'll ever use ReLive, it's still good to have a shadowplay equivalent. When they first announced the Radeon Technologies Group thing, I thought it was just reshuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, but they've been doing good work.

 

[stahlhart]

Thread reopened, thread title edited.

You want to discuss AMD? Then discuss AMD. Nvidia, GSync and Shadowplay are NOT on topic in this thread.

-- stahlhart

 

[raghu78]

computerbase tested their entire game suite. 5% faster than 16.6.2 and 2% faster than 16.11.5 on average. Rise of the tomb raider DX12 sees the highest gain. 10% faster than 16.6.2 and 12% faster than 16.11.5 .

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12/crimson-relive-test/4/

tpu sees lower gains

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/6.html

 

[vissarix]

updated my 7870xt from 16.11.5 to this relive version and lost performance, tested on one particular point in bf3 and got 49-50fps before now is 46-47... i wonder if it only boosts performance on new amd gpus...

UPDATE...actually after installing a new windows 10pro os because i messed up something the gpu is performing better now...dont know what happened but im getting 67fps at the same point as before i was getting 49-50...even on firestrike im getting 6500 gpu score before it was around 5800..i have the chill option which activates by pressing f11 but it doesnt do anything for me..

 

[smithkt]

The ReLive recording software seems to work pretty well on my 290. The only problem is I can't record at 3440 x 1440. I assume it is a hardware limitation of the encoder hardware. I can't find solid info on the max supported resolutions of the encoders on the different AMD hardware. Maybe a Vega board will take care of this in the future.

Recordings at 1080 seem pretty solid though. I can live with it.

 

[Vaporizer]

updated my 7870xt from 16.11.5 to this relive version and lost performance, tested on one particular point in bf3 and got 49-50fps before now is 46-47... i wonder if it only boosts performance on new amd gpus...

UPDATE...actually after installing a new windows 10pro os because i messed up something the gpu is performing better now...dont know what happened but im getting 67fps at the same point as before i was getting 49-50...even on firestrike im getting 6500 gpu score before it was around 5800..i have the chill option which activates by pressing f11 but it doesnt do anything for me..

Chill works currently onley in some destinct games like Skyrim Overwatch WoW and some more.

 

[Ancalagon44]

computerbase tested their entire game suite. 5% faster than 16.6.2 and 2% faster than 16.11.5 on average. Rise of the tomb raider DX12 sees the highest gain. 10% faster than 16.6.2 and 12% faster than 16.11.5 .

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12/crimson-relive-test/4/

tpu sees lower gains

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/6.html

That is some impressive gains!

It is a pity that they did not have those drivers ready with the launch of the 480 and 470, because it would have changed the market perception to those cards. But, I guess they were not ready.

Will get a 470 as soon as I have a buyer for my 7790.

 

[guskline]

I installed the new drivers in my RX480CF rig below. I noticed that Chill was not available when I was in CF mode? When I disabled CF it showed up on the Wattman section of each card. HMMM??? I report to AMD.

 

[PhonakV30]

I installed the new drivers in my RX480CF rig below. I noticed that Chill was not available when I was in CF mode? When I disabled CF it showed up on the Wattman section of each card. HMMM??? I report to AMD.

I think AMD left it for later due to any Issue.

 

[Shivansps]

The overlay works 100% ok for you guys? in some game it does show and in other it does not for me.

 

[Shivansps]

Also there is not way to hide the timer overlay on the top-left corner from showing on the recorded videos?

 

[freeskier93]

The ReLive recording software seems to work pretty well on my 290. The only problem is I can't record at 3440 x 1440. I assume it is a hardware limitation of the encoder hardware. I can't find solid info on the max supported resolutions of the encoders on the different AMD hardware. Maybe a Vega board will take care of this in the future.

Recordings at 1080 seem pretty solid though. I can live with it.

All the encoding support is outlined on the ReLive page...

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/radeon-software/gaming/radeon-relive

 

[Shivansps]

R9 290 is GCN 1.1, so VCE 2.0
https://github.com/Xaymar/obs-studio_amf-encoder-plugin/wiki/Hardware-VCE2.0

It does not support those resolutions.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Pretty cool guys.. I just got my MSI RX 480 last night from Fed-Ex / from Newegg,which I didnt even know that they/Fed-Ex delivered on weekends.What a awesome surprise it was when I heard the knock and opened my door!!Anyways I didnt install the drivers on the included disc but instead downloaded the AMD-Relive driver/app and installed it.So far so good....but what ever happened to that program AMD used to include with the Radeon Drivers,it was kinda like Steam but was from AMD??It used to have a deal where if you signed in every day you would get points that you could later used to buy movies and games with. If thats gone im gonna be pretty mad cause I had saved up so many points from signing in and buying stuff, that I was finally gonna use what I had stored up.Or is this still around?

 

[96Firebird]

I believe that was the Gaming Evolved app, which has been discontinued:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10752/amd-discontinues-gaming-evolved-app

You can probably still download it (search for Raptr or Gaming Evolved app), but I'm not sure if points are still involved.

 

[stahlhart]

No, actually, just about everyone here is getting tired of hyperpartisan men-children who are incapable of having an objective discussion about graphics technology that is free of the language of belligerent confrontation.

"AMD Kicks NVIDIA's Arse" is the voice of a snot-nosed punk trying to start a fight on a school playground. Your lame attempt to walk it back with "I tried to change the title, but couldn't" isn't fooling anyone. Your intent to stir up trouble here was deliberate.

When the title of your thread states a conclusion before any discussion has even started, it doesn't deserve the description of "comparison". You're just throwing more bias confirmation into a forum that is already full of it.

-- stahlhart

 

[Shivansps]

I really dont think so, the only real avantage ReLive has is HEVC recording, and thats because they need to do so since they downgraded H264 encoder on Polaris GPUs compared to GCN 1.1 and 1.2 GPUs.

-H264 quality to bitrate ratio is bad, and thats really a problem for streaming, my 1st generation QSV offer slightly superior quality at the same bitrate(at low bitrate only <5mbps), and thats really bad. For recording or transcording before upload to youtube thats a problem as well.

-HEVC at 50mbps is good, but you can only use it for raw cut that you will later on edit and transcode before upload (and remember previous point)

-Both H264 Quality to Bitrate ratio and resolution/framerate is waaay below to what Pascal NVENC can do. Never tried NVENC HEVC so i cant really tell if thats better.

-Performance hit is near zero to both Shadowplay AND ReLive, you need to watch for the place where to store your videos, HDD gona cause the bottleneck and performance hit for both.


So yeah, it works fine and its a nice addon, but better than Nvidia Shadowplay/NVENC? they are still a long way off, they need to improve the encoder block A LOT, and stop doing downgrades.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I believe that was the Gaming Evolved app, which has been discontinued:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10752/amd-discontinues-gaming-evolved-app

You can probably still download it (search for Raptr or Gaming Evolved app), but I'm not sure if points are still involved.

Yeah thats the app, Thank you!! I will go have a quick look to see if I can still cash in my saved up points.

 

[Azix]

Relive seems to break often for me. There a way to reset it? If a game crashes (rainbow six siege). It seems gone for good. Well r6 seems to take the driver with it when it crashes, usually when i play in windowed mode and have chrome or some other source of video playback open. Then Relive is gone. Seems to require restart of the computer to fix.

When using OBS the same crash just kills the current OBS windows recording capabilities. An OBS restart fixes it. I guess that is the unfortunate thing with having this integrated into Crimson.

 

[Bacon1]

computerbase tested their entire game suite. 5% faster than 16.6.2 and 2% faster than 16.11.5 on average. Rise of the tomb raider DX12 sees the highest gain. 10% faster than 16.6.2 and 12% faster than 16.11.5 .

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12/crimson-relive-test/4/

tpu sees lower gains

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/6.html

Definitely looks like some games gained quite a bit while others not so much. But hey even 2-3% gain is nice for nothing else than a driver update